CDZ Charity is a failure of government - Discuss

[pknopp]

It does need to be noted that none of them went to jail because Obama refused to hold any of them accountable despite his promise to do so.

Yes, Yes, Comrade Supreme Leader Bernie would have held People's Tribunals for the Great Glory of the Socialist State....

Obama promised to do so. Like most everything he promised he did the opposite.

 

[JoeB131]

"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Yawn... Faith is a long wait for a train that never comes - Malcolm Reynolds

 

[JoeB131]

Obama promised to do so. Like most everything he promised he did the opposite.

Or he realized the impracticality of it, given these guys had very deep pockets.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Your "I'm all right jack" attitude is not just anti-social it is anti-Christian.

I'm not a xtian.

Yes well, we won't go into Jewish attitudes to poverty like - "Charge them more!"

 

[pknopp]

Obama promised to do so. Like most everything he promised he did the opposite.

Or he realized the impracticality of it, given these guys had very deep pockets.

Because the government doesn't? Government lawyers make the same whether prosecuting or doing nothing. Your argument was he decided that money gives you the freedom to break our laws.

 

[JoeB131]

Because the government doesn't? Government lawyers make the same whether prosecuting or doing nothing. Your argument was he decided that money gives you the freedom to break our laws.

Real world- of course it does. Particularly if the crime you are trying to prosecute is kind of subjective. Did they really commit fraud, or did they just fail to see the oncoming recession like everyone else did?

Personally, I would love to take all these banksters and throw them in big boy jail.

Realistically, when you have the best lawyers, and 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty, not bloody likely.

But again, I'm sure that Glorious Comrade Bernie would have had these guys in front of the People's Tribunal!

 

[pknopp]

Because the government doesn't? Government lawyers make the same whether prosecuting or doing nothing. Your argument was he decided that money gives you the freedom to break our laws.

Real world- of course it does. Particularly if the crime you are trying to prosecute is kind of subjective. Did they really commit fraud, or did they just fail to see the oncoming recession like everyone else did?

Personally, I would love to take all these banksters and throw them in big boy jail.

Realistically, when you have the best lawyers, and 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty, not bloody likely.

But again, I'm sure that Glorious Comrade Bernie would have had these guys in front of the People's Tribunal!

He very well would have. Obama didn't follow up on anything he promised and sadly in many cases did the opposite.

Pity the sad legacy of Barack Obama | Cornel West

 

[JoeB131]

He very well would have. Obama didn't follow up on anything he promised and sadly in many cases did the opposite.

YOu mean he was a REALIST.

Hey, guy, we aren't going to get rid of Capitalism in this country. Ever. Nor should we want to.

Frankly, Trump is probably heartbroken he isn't running against Commie Bernie... All he has to do is juxtapose pictures of Bernie extolling Socialism vs. pictures of Venezuelans cooking their dogs.

 

[pknopp]

He very well would have. Obama didn't follow up on anything he promised and sadly in many cases did the opposite.

YOu mean he was a REALIST.

Hey, guy, we aren't going to get rid of Capitalism in this country. Ever. Nor should we want to.

Frankly, Trump is probably heartbroken he isn't running against Commie Bernie... All he has to do is juxtapose pictures of Bernie extolling Socialism vs. pictures of Venezuelans cooking their dogs.

Because Hillary did so well? Hillary was the only candidate that would have lost to Trump.

It wasn't all her fault. People in Michigan weren't happy when they begged for help from the government for their poisoned water and Obama told them to pound sand while giving the auto companies billions.

 

[Grumblenuts]

That social agencies connected to government have to take care of such things is rather the failure of religious and other institutions to do so. Some things need doing and, though rightly ought to be done 'privately', must have assistance for the general welfare.

No, they rightly ought to be done transparently by truly not-for-profit, well compensated public servants. Tax dodging billionaire foundations are the most immoral actors of all. They can be first to go suck it.

 

[Flash]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

 

[pknopp]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

 

[Flash]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

 

[pknopp]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

Jesus wasn't political. You are arguing politics. Don't infuse Jesus into that argument.

 

[Flash]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

Jesus wasn't political. You are arguing politics. Don't infuse Jesus into that argument.

You are confused at the point I was making.

I was arguing that God gave us free will which is the ability to chose our own fate.

If we let government oppress us then it is our own fault.

Jesus told us many times to chose God over the state.

The Romans oppressed the Jews as they did most of the conquered lands.

We get that kind of oppression from government. Even in a country like the US that founded on the principle of "In God We Trust". For instance, in some places our government was even telling us recently that we couldn't even go to church and we even have a Bill of Rights that guarantees freedom of religion.

However, to get back to the subject of this thread. Charity should be an act of the heart, not the oppression of government.

I hate welfare, taxes and government oppression. I don't want the government taking my money by force and giving it away to the special interest groups that vote in the politicians.

However, I am a generous person. I help to support an orphanage. My wife and I go to the grocery store every month and buy food and donate it to a food bank. We spend quite a bit of our income on charity.

I want to have the ability to chose who I help. That is called Liberty. I do not want some stuipid and corrupt politician stealing my money and giving it away to the special interest groups that help to get him or her reelected.

Socialism is slavery to the state. Nobody in their right minds would support something like that.

 

[Blues Man]

"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Yawn... Faith is a long wait for a train that never comes - Malcolm Reynolds

Religion is a smile on a dog- Edie Brickell

 

[Blues Man]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

Jesus wasn't political. You are arguing politics. Don't infuse Jesus into that argument.

Of course he was

He was also the most successful venture capitalist that ever lived

 

[pknopp]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

Jesus wasn't political. You are arguing politics. Don't infuse Jesus into that argument.

You are confused at the point I was making.

I was arguing that God gave us free will which is the ability to chose our own fate.

If we let government oppress us then it is our own fault.

Jesus told us many times to chose God over the state.

The Romans oppressed the Jews as they did most of the conquered lands.

We get that kind of oppression from government. Even in a country like the US that founded on the principle of "In God We Trust". For instance, in some places our government was even telling us recently that we couldn't even go to church and we even have a Bill of Rights that guarantees freedom of religion.

However, to get back to the subject of this thread. Charity should be an act of the heart, not the oppression of government.

I hate welfare, taxes and government oppression. I don't want the government taking my money by force and giving it away to the special interest groups that vote in the politicians.

However, I am a generous person. I help to support an orphanage. My wife and I go to the grocery store every month and buy food and donate it to a food bank. We spend quite a bit of our income on charity.

I want to have the ability to chose who I help. That is called Liberty. I do not want some stuipid and corrupt politician stealing my money and giving it away to the special interest groups that help to get him or her reelected.

Socialism is slavery to the state. Nobody in their right minds would support something like that.

You make the mistake in assuming that those who wish to see a fairer country is worshipping the state. You are wrong.

 

[Flash]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

Jesus wasn't political. You are arguing politics. Don't infuse Jesus into that argument.

You are confused at the point I was making.

I was arguing that God gave us free will which is the ability to chose our own fate.

If we let government oppress us then it is our own fault.

Jesus told us many times to chose God over the state.

The Romans oppressed the Jews as they did most of the conquered lands.

We get that kind of oppression from government. Even in a country like the US that founded on the principle of "In God We Trust". For instance, in some places our government was even telling us recently that we couldn't even go to church and we even have a Bill of Rights that guarantees freedom of religion.

However, to get back to the subject of this thread. Charity should be an act of the heart, not the oppression of government.

I hate welfare, taxes and government oppression. I don't want the government taking my money by force and giving it away to the special interest groups that vote in the politicians.

However, I am a generous person. I help to support an orphanage. My wife and I go to the grocery store every month and buy food and donate it to a food bank. We spend quite a bit of our income on charity.

I want to have the ability to chose who I help. That is called Liberty. I do not want some stuipid and corrupt politician stealing my money and giving it away to the special interest groups that help to get him or her reelected.

Socialism is slavery to the state. Nobody in their right minds would support something like that.

You make the mistake in assuming that those who wish to see a fairer country is worshipping the state. You are wrong.

You are confused about this. Ii don't think you really understand what the word fairness means.

How can the oppressive government taking the money that I earned and giving it to some worthless welfare queen or Illegal alien be considered fair by any definition? Isn't that slavery? Isn't that thievery?

I had to work hard for my money. Why should the government steal it and give it to somebody else that didn't do a damn damn thing to earn it?

 

[pknopp]

The Bible teaches that charity should come from the heart, family and church. Nothing about giving your money to a Roman bureaucrat to dole it out for you.

Actually, Jesus was pretty clear... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" Caesar's picture was on the coins. You give him his coins back when he asks for them. Render unto Washington what is Washington's, he'd say today.

You are obviously confused.

If you ever went to church and studied things like you would understand that passage was part of a larger conversation to challenge the faith of the Jewish leader to chose between God or the secular world.

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage | Mises Institute

Jesus's instruction to "render unto Caesar" is an example of subtle sedition against the Roman state — and not a command to pay taxes.

mises.org

Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage


With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one's faith is in God, then God is owed everything; Caesar's claims are necessarily illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand, one's faith is in Caesar, God's claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.

Jesus' counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances. Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit; He has authoritatively refuted His opponents' hostile question by basing His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving him they went away."

Jesus hardly promoted the idea of "individual freedom".

You may also be confused.

Jesus was a citizen of a country that hated an oppressive government. In fact He was crucified by the Government.

If you want to use political terms He was a Libertarian.

God gave us free will. The ultimate personal freedom. It was Man that turned the freedom of free will over to oppressive government.

Jesus wasn't political. You are arguing politics. Don't infuse Jesus into that argument.

You are confused at the point I was making.

I was arguing that God gave us free will which is the ability to chose our own fate.

If we let government oppress us then it is our own fault.

Jesus told us many times to chose God over the state.

The Romans oppressed the Jews as they did most of the conquered lands.

We get that kind of oppression from government. Even in a country like the US that founded on the principle of "In God We Trust". For instance, in some places our government was even telling us recently that we couldn't even go to church and we even have a Bill of Rights that guarantees freedom of religion.

However, to get back to the subject of this thread. Charity should be an act of the heart, not the oppression of government.

I hate welfare, taxes and government oppression. I don't want the government taking my money by force and giving it away to the special interest groups that vote in the politicians.

However, I am a generous person. I help to support an orphanage. My wife and I go to the grocery store every month and buy food and donate it to a food bank. We spend quite a bit of our income on charity.

I want to have the ability to chose who I help. That is called Liberty. I do not want some stuipid and corrupt politician stealing my money and giving it away to the special interest groups that help to get him or her reelected.

Socialism is slavery to the state. Nobody in their right minds would support something like that.

You make the mistake in assuming that those who wish to see a fairer country is worshipping the state. You are wrong.

You are confused about this. Ii don't think you really understand what the word fairness means.

How can the oppressive government taking the money that I earned and giving it to some worthless welfare queen or Illegal alien be considered fair by any definition? Isn't that slavery? Isn't that thievery?

I had to work hard for my money. Why should the government steal it and give it to somebody else that didn't do a damn damn thing to earn it?

Nobody is taking your money to give to others. The government is just creating it out of nothing.