CDZ Charity is a failure of government - Discuss

[Soupnazi630]

Well, just get rid of crime, then....or, get rid of courts and prisons. Shoot, WTH are you even talking about?

Let me help you out.

Other Industrial Democracies only lock up the truly dangerous people. They don't let everyone have a gun, they have fair living wages, they have socialized medicine and extensive welfare states. Prostitution is legal and they treat drugs addiction as a medical problem and not a criminal one.

Our country, we pretty much criminalize all sorts of behavior... we have a whole Prison-Industrial Complex, which employs 700,000 police officers, 400,000 correctional officers, 92,000 parole officers, and so on. It's big business... the taxpayers spending a lot of money to keep a boot on the neck of the poor.

Maybe it's time to try something different.

The war on poverty is worse. 22 trillion and it has not reduced poverty by one point.

That is a hard figure.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Try refusing to pay your taxes....Then keep refusing....Then resist the people who come to arrest you for not paying up.

Guess what will then be waved in your face.

I pay my taxes happily, because I like living in a civilized society.

Civilization is not dependent on taxes.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Well, just get rid of crime, then....or, get rid of courts and prisons. Shoot, WTH are you even talking about?

Let me help you out.

Other Industrial Democracies only lock up the truly dangerous people. They don't let everyone have a gun, they have fair living wages, they have socialized medicine and extensive welfare states. Prostitution is legal and they treat drugs addiction as a medical problem and not a criminal one.

Our country, we pretty much criminalize all sorts of behavior... we have a whole Prison-Industrial Complex, which employs 700,000 police officers, 400,000 correctional officers, 92,000 parole officers, and so on. It's big business... the taxpayers spending a lot of money to keep a boot on the neck of the poor.

Maybe it's time to try something different.

We aere better than they are. We do not socialize medicine because our way is better and we do not practice slavery.

Our people have been commonyl armed since pre colonial times and tyranny never took hodl here as a result.

We have better living wages they pay unfair wages.

Extensive welfare states only increase dependency and sloth

 

[Oddball]

Try refusing to pay your taxes....Then keep refusing....Then resist the people who come to arrest you for not paying up.

Guess what will then be waved in your face.

I pay my taxes happily, because I like living in a civilized society.

Civilization is not dependent on taxes.

 

[2aguy]

Well, just get rid of crime, then....or, get rid of courts and prisons. Shoot, WTH are you even talking about?

Let me help you out.

Other Industrial Democracies only lock up the truly dangerous people. They don't let everyone have a gun, they have fair living wages, they have socialized medicine and extensive welfare states. Prostitution is legal and they treat drugs addiction as a medical problem and not a criminal one.

Our country, we pretty much criminalize all sorts of behavior... we have a whole Prison-Industrial Complex, which employs 700,000 police officers, 400,000 correctional officers, 92,000 parole officers, and so on. It's big business... the taxpayers spending a lot of money to keep a boot on the neck of the poor.

Maybe it's time to try something different.

No, ....we have democrat party judges and prosecutors letting the actual dangerous people out of jail and prison over and over again.....what part of that do you not understand?

It is the repeat gun offenders who are committing almost all of our gun crime and murder.....

Meanwhile, as more Americans, the normal ones, own and carry guns...our gun murder rate went down, not up......showing that normal people owning and carrying guns does not cause gun murder to increase...

What causes gun murder to increase in democrat party controlled cities?

Democrat party judges and prosecutors letting known, violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail on bond, now no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences...

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[JoeB131]

That you are happy to be a serf isn't what I asked.

What will eventually get waved in your face if you refuse to pay taxes?

A subpeona...

The reality is, the IRS doesn't enforce enough of the tax laws and go after the real cheats...

 

[JoeB131]

No, ....we have democrat party judges and prosecutors letting the actual dangerous people out of jail and prison over and over again.....what part of that do you not understand?

Guy, you keep saying that... but the fact is, we lock up too many people. If guns and locking people up were the solution, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the advanced world, not the highest.

 

[Oddball]

That you are happy to be a serf isn't what I asked.

What will eventually get waved in your face if you refuse to pay taxes?

A subpeona...

The reality is, the IRS doesn't enforce enough of the tax laws and go after the real cheats...

Now you're being obtuse on purpose....Or maybe you really are a complete dullard.

 

[Hellokitty]

When people are helped through charity, they often know or come to understand what they received was made by the willing sacrifices of others. In turn they are more likely to preform acts of charity or make sacrifices of their own to helps others.

 

[Markle]

Tory DWP chief says food banks are 'perfect way' to help the poor

The Tory Minister made the controversial comment replying to a question from Labour MP Zarah Sultana

www.mirror.co.uk

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.

What do you get when you reward bad behavior? Think hard now!

 

[Markle]

How is it not immoral then the expect taxpayers to bail you out of your bad business decisions?

I frankly wondered that in 2008 - 2009, when we bailed out AIG, Well-Fargo, GM, Chrysler and all the other places that made bad business decisions.

Socialism for me but not for thee.

As you know, the banks, whose rescue was initiated by President George Bush. All that money was repaid, in full, with interest, and ahead of schedule.

On the other hand, President Obama bailed out the auto unions. Chrysler is now owned by an Italian automaker so they are no longer one of the "Big Three". GM still owes us billions.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Tory DWP chief says food banks are 'perfect way' to help the poor

The Tory Minister made the controversial comment replying to a question from Labour MP Zarah Sultana

www.mirror.co.uk

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.

Spoken like a true communist. The fruits of my labor are not yours for the taking.

 

[Flash]

Try refusing to pay your taxes....Then keep refusing....Then resist the people who come to arrest you for not paying up.

Guess what will then be waved in your face.

I pay my taxes happily, because I like living in a civilized society.

Civilization is not dependent on taxes.

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Stealing money from those that earned the money and giving it away to those that didn't earn it is as uncivilized as it it gets. They have a word for that - thievery.

 

[Markle]

Actually, charities are even more inefficient than the government.

 

[Oddball]

 

[Markle]

If there is a single non-criminal in America working a job involuntarily, let them know about the 13th Amendment.

Not the point I was making.

Seriously, people like you will be dragged off by the angry mob when the revolution comes wondering what you did wrong.

Isn't that the point of government handouts?

In the short term, yes. IN the long term, it shouldn't be. The problem is, we've been going in the WRONG direction on poverty, not the right one.

US poverty rate fell to 10.5 percent in 2019, marking fifth straight annual decline
BY SYLVAN LANE - 09/15/20 03:46 PM EDT
[...]
The U.S. poverty rate fell to 10.5 percent last year, according to the 2020 Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement, dropping 1.3 percentage points from 2018’s poverty rate of 11.8 percent. The 2019 poverty rate is the lowest recorded since government estimates began in 1959.

The number of Americans in poverty also fell by 4.2 million in 2019 to a total of 34 million, according to the survey, and median household income rose by 6.8 percent from 2018 to $68,703 in 2019. The number of Americans working full time in 2019 increased by 1.2 million.

US poverty rate fell to 10.5 percent in 2019, marking fifth straight annual decline

The official U.S. poverty rate fell in 2019 for the fifth consecutive year, according to a report from the Census Bureau and Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released Tuesday.The U.S. poverty rate …

thehill.com

 

[Disir]

Tory DWP chief says food banks are 'perfect way' to help the poor

The Tory Minister made the controversial comment replying to a question from Labour MP Zarah Sultana

www.mirror.co.uk

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.

Many of our charities receive grants from the government and especially those affiliated with religion. It started out as the Charitable Choice Act. Charitable choice - Wikipedia

 

[2aguy]

No, ....we have democrat party judges and prosecutors letting the actual dangerous people out of jail and prison over and over again.....what part of that do you not understand?

Guy, you keep saying that... but the fact is, we lock up too many people. If guns and locking people up were the solution, we'd have the lowest crime rates in the advanced world, not the highest.

Wrong.......the democrat party in democrat party controlled cities keep releasing the most violent, dangerous gun criminals over and over again.....what part of that do you not understand?

Normal Americans who own guns and carry them have increased and our gun murder rate went down, not up...what part of that do you just not want to admit to....?

 

[Markle]

We can have corporations while no longer providing them billions every year in welfare.

What billions are afforded to corporations every year?

 

[Markle]

The poor can't afford computer programs designed to take the money of the average Joe.

Every poor person in America has a smartphone and every library has free WiFi.

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Every poor person does not and the programs the big investors use are not available for free. It's why I support a tax on trades.

And just like that, you make sure the middle class can't retire comfortably, or ever move UP the social economic ladder.

The middle class make few trades and a very small percent on a trade would not affect them at all.

No surprise from a far-left liberal. We're over $27 TRILLION in debt and oblivious to the world, the far-left wants to TAX MORE AND SPEND MORE. Who knew?