CDZ Charity is a failure of government - Discuss

2aguy

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2014
Messages
84,330
Reaction score
23,065
Points
2,180
The government is incompetent, and never does anything well or even adequately.......they have no investment in doing things well....no matter how badly they do things, the bureaucrats always have their jobs, the tax money keeps coming in and no one holds them accountable for their screw ups........that is the the problem with those who support bigger and bigger government...they can't see that simple truth.
No, the problem is that we tend to see poverty as a moral failing, rather than an economic one.

You're poor? Well, it must because you have bad morals.... not because you are the victim of 400 years of racism or that we have criminal levels of wealth inequality.

We spend billions on expensive military toys that don't work, and a pittance on keeping our poor from starving... just enough to keep them from rioting and ... OH shit, they're rioting!!!

Welfare has no dignity the government takes money at gun point, and gives it to people who did not earn it, and losing much of the money to waste, fraud and abuse with a tiny amount actually making it to those who need it........C
What, are you actually saying the government is taking money from you at Gunpoint, and despite your personal arsenal, you let them do it? What about those Second Amendment Solutions you keep talking about?

Charity is people, on their own, helping other people, giving freely of their own time and money, without the threat of violence to take the money from some, to give it to others, and it actually is far more efficient and less wasteful of resources since the people who give the money are doing it freely, and target the money to those who actually need it....... you don't understand that which is why you think the way you do.....
Actually, charities are even more inefficient than the government.



-- The 50 worst charities in America devote less than 4% of donations raised to direct cash aid. Some charities gave even less. Over a decade, one diabetes charity raised nearly $14 million and gave about $10,000 to patients. Six spent no cash at all on their cause.
-- Even as they plead for financial support, operators at many of the 50 worst charities have lied to donors about where their money goes, taken multiple salaries, secretly paid themselves consulting fees or arranged fund-raising contracts with friends. One cancer charity paid a company owned by the president's son nearly $18 million over eight years to solicit funds. A medical charity paid its biggest research grant to its president's own for-profit company.

And the big thing about those charities? If you don't give them your money, they can't go to your home with guns and take it...........

If a charity is crooked, it can be exposed and dealt with......the government wastes, abuses, steals, and loses money, and they simply raise the amount you have to give...and if you refuse, they arrest you...

See the difference?
 

2aguy

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2014
Messages
84,330
Reaction score
23,065
Points
2,180
We've spent $22 Trillion fighting the democrat War on Poverty and it hasn't moved the needle one iota
Nowhere near that... and things would be worse.

The real problem is the Right has been fighting a war on the Working Class for the last 50 years... and then they wonder why people vote for Democrats.

So let's review, shall we. Since Ronald Reagan, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer.

The bottom 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. The middle 20% has 5% of the wealth. The next 20% has 7% of the wealth, and the top 20% have 87% of the wealth, with the 43% going to the top 1%.

What is wrong with this picture?

Wrong....the Rich have gotten richer and the poor have moved into the middle class...and the middle class moved into the wealthy class......

The Rich already pay most of the taxes........the poor pay no taxes...
 

Meister

Diamond Member
Staff member
Moderator
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2009
Messages
42,816
Reaction score
16,052
Points
2,250
Location
Conservative part of the Northwest

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
you don't want to pay the taxes that will do what you want because you'll have nothing left after.

But like most people you probably want other people to pay higher taxes so you can get what you want without paying more yourself.
Taxation should be fair to all. Currently it isnt fair. There is something fundamentally wrong in a system where trump pays less tax than the girl who cleans his gold toilet every morning.
This has been debunked, just saying.
 

Meister

Diamond Member
Staff member
Moderator
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2009
Messages
42,816
Reaction score
16,052
Points
2,250
Location
Conservative part of the Northwest

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
you don't want to pay the taxes that will do what you want because you'll have nothing left after.

But like most people you probably want other people to pay higher taxes so you can get what you want without paying more yourself.
Taxation should be fair to all. Currently it isnt fair. There is something fundamentally wrong in a system where trump pays less tax than the girl who cleans his gold toilet every morning.
You have no idea what other people pay in taxes.

And life isn't fair and never will be. Only the naive and the retarded think it is.

and the only fair taxation is a flat tax where everyone pays the exact same rate but you don't want that either
When one person gets millions from the government and the other gets enough to eat, the one who gets millions indeed should pay more in taxes.
And they do.
 

fncceo

Platinum Member
Joined
Nov 29, 2016
Messages
26,435
Reaction score
11,178
Points
950
OP
Tommy Tainant

Tommy Tainant

Gold Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2016
Messages
24,399
Reaction score
4,795
Points
290
Location
Y Cae Ras

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
you don't want to pay the taxes that will do what you want because you'll have nothing left after.

But like most people you probably want other people to pay higher taxes so you can get what you want without paying more yourself.
Taxation should be fair to all. Currently it isnt fair. There is something fundamentally wrong in a system where trump pays less tax than the girl who cleans his gold toilet every morning.
This has been debunked, just saying.
Its probably right in many cases. Rich folk can afford help to avoid taxes. poor folk cant afford that help.
 

Meister

Diamond Member
Staff member
Moderator
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2009
Messages
42,816
Reaction score
16,052
Points
2,250
Location
Conservative part of the Northwest

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
you don't want to pay the taxes that will do what you want because you'll have nothing left after.

But like most people you probably want other people to pay higher taxes so you can get what you want without paying more yourself.
Taxation should be fair to all. Currently it isnt fair. There is something fundamentally wrong in a system where trump pays less tax than the girl who cleans his gold toilet every morning.
This has been debunked, just saying.
Its probably right in many cases. Rich folk can afford help to avoid taxes. poor folk cant afford that help.
If somebody actually breaks the law......they should be punished.
 

Soupnazi630

Gold Member
Joined
Dec 9, 2013
Messages
7,389
Reaction score
1,017
Points
265

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
 

Soupnazi630

Gold Member
Joined
Dec 9, 2013
Messages
7,389
Reaction score
1,017
Points
265

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
Welfare has no dignity , im not sure where you get such a silly idea. Welfare is forced from the taxpayers who worked and given to desd beats.

Charity works better. Welfare rolls are filled with people who are dependent and abuse the idea for everything they can, collecting it as long as they can using any legal trick or excuse to c0ntinue collecting.

On the other hand private charity works more directly with people and therefore those giving out charity can tell whther someone is truly in need or just a dead beat milking the system.

Charity stems from compassion. Welfare does not.
 

JoeB131

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2011
Messages
128,386
Reaction score
13,690
Points
2,220
Location
Chicago, Chicago, that Toddling Town
And the big thing about those charities? If you don't give them your money, they can't go to your home with guns and take it...........
Okay, but I thought the reason why you had enough guns to fight off the Zombies was to fights the government... but... um, they are apparently coming into your house at gunpoint and taking stuff?
 

Meister

Diamond Member
Staff member
Moderator
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2009
Messages
42,816
Reaction score
16,052
Points
2,250
Location
Conservative part of the Northwest
If somebody actually breaks the law......they should be punished.
Okay, we lock up 2 million people and have another 7 million on probation and parole.... And we still have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world.
Well, just get rid of crime, then....or, get rid of courts and prisons. Shoot, WTH are you even talking about?
 

JoeB131

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2011
Messages
128,386
Reaction score
13,690
Points
2,220
Location
Chicago, Chicago, that Toddling Town
Wrong....the Rich have gotten richer and the poor have moved into the middle class...and the middle class moved into the wealthy class......

The Rich already pay most of the taxes........the poor pay no taxes...
1603754799807.png


1603754834779.png


When did the Right Wing start worrying that the poor Rich folks had to pay too much in taxes?
 

Oddball

Unobtanium Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2009
Messages
67,461
Reaction score
29,885
Points
2,300
Location
Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
And the big thing about those charities? If you don't give them your money, they can't go to your home with guns and take it...........
Okay, but I thought the reason why you had enough guns to fight off the Zombies was to fights the government... but... um, they are apparently coming into your house at gunpoint and taking stuff?
Try refusing to pay your taxes....Then keep refusing....Then resist the people who come to arrest you for not paying up.

Guess what will then be waved in your face.
 

Meister

Diamond Member
Staff member
Moderator
Gold Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 15, 2009
Messages
42,816
Reaction score
16,052
Points
2,250
Location
Conservative part of the Northwest

JoeB131

Diamond Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2011
Messages
128,386
Reaction score
13,690
Points
2,220
Location
Chicago, Chicago, that Toddling Town
Well, just get rid of crime, then....or, get rid of courts and prisons. Shoot, WTH are you even talking about?
Let me help you out.

Other Industrial Democracies only lock up the truly dangerous people. They don't let everyone have a gun, they have fair living wages, they have socialized medicine and extensive welfare states. Prostitution is legal and they treat drugs addiction as a medical problem and not a criminal one.

Our country, we pretty much criminalize all sorts of behavior... we have a whole Prison-Industrial Complex, which employs 700,000 police officers, 400,000 correctional officers, 92,000 parole officers, and so on. It's big business... the taxpayers spending a lot of money to keep a boot on the neck of the poor.

Maybe it's time to try something different.
 

Oddball

Unobtanium Member
Joined
Jan 3, 2009
Messages
67,461
Reaction score
29,885
Points
2,300
Location
Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
Try refusing to pay your taxes....Then keep refusing....Then resist the people who come to arrest you for not paying up.

Guess what will then be waved in your face.
I pay my taxes happily, because I like living in a civilized society.
That you are happy to be a serf isn't what I asked.

What will eventually get waved in your face if you refuse to pay taxes?
 

New Topics

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top