CDZ Charity is a failure of government - Discuss

JoeB131

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If there is a single non-criminal in America working a job involuntarily, let them know about the 13th Amendment.
Not the point I was making.

Seriously, people like you will be dragged off by the angry mob when the revolution comes wondering what you did wrong.

Isn't that the point of government handouts?
In the short term, yes. IN the long term, it shouldn't be. The problem is, we've been going in the WRONG direction on poverty, not the right one.
 

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You're poor? Well, it must because you have bad morals...
Really?

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To live in poverty isn't immoral.

To demand someone (or everyone) else to raise you out of your poverty is.
How is it not immoral then to expect taxpayers to bail you out of your bad business decisions?
It's exceptionally immoral.

Just as bailing out the individual rewards bad life decisions, bailing out a company rewards bad business decisions.
It starts at the top, You will never be able to stop giving the poor crumbs as long as you are giving billionaires, millions.
 

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We've spent $22 Trillion fighting the democrat War on Poverty and it hasn't moved the needle one iota
Nowhere near that... and things would be worse.

The real problem is the Right has been fighting a war on the Working Class for the last 50 years... and then they wonder why people vote for Democrats.

So let's review, shall we. Since Ronald Reagan, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer.

The bottom 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. The middle 20% has 5% of the wealth. The next 20% has 7% of the wealth, and the top 20% have 87% of the wealth, with the 43% going to the top 1%.

What is wrong with this picture?
 

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We've spent $22 Trillion fighting the democrat War on Poverty and it hasn't moved the needle one iota
Nowhere near that... and things would be worse.

The real problem is the Right has been fighting a war on the Working Class for the last 50 years... and then they wonder why people vote for Democrats.

So let's review, shall we. Since Ronald Reagan, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer.

The bottom 40% of the population has less than 1% of the wealth. The middle 20% has 5% of the wealth. The next 20% has 7% of the wealth, and the top 20% have 87% of the wealth, with the 43% going to the top 1%.

What is wrong with this picture?
What's wrong is that didn't change under Clinton or Obama and it won't under Biden.
 

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Seriously, people like you will be dragged off by the angry mob when the revolution comes wondering what you did wrong.
Mobs have been trying to do away with my people for millennia. My people are still here.

Mobs are easily distracted and never long-lived.
 

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What's wrong is that didn't change under Clinton or Obama and it won't under Biden.
But it got a little better.

Here's the thing... I know you support Commie Bernie and you think socialism is a thing that works, but it really doesn't.

While the Republicans want to let the Capitalist rampage around the neighborhood, the socialist wants to take it out into the woods and shoot it.

I want it kept on a short leash.
 

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You're poor? Well, it must because you have bad morals...
Really?

View attachment 406880

To live in poverty isn't immoral.

To demand someone (or everyone) else to raise you out of your poverty is.
How is it not immoral then to expect taxpayers to bail you out of your bad business decisions?
It's exceptionally immoral.

Just as bailing out the individual rewards bad life decisions, bailing out a company rewards bad business decisions.
It starts at the top, You will never be able to stop giving the poor crumbs as long as you are giving billionaires, millions.
I don't see one as morally superior to the other. The only possible advantage to giving money to Billionaires is you get a better looking class of supplicant and they don't beg on the streets.

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What's wrong is that didn't change under Clinton or Obama and it won't under Biden.
But it got a little better.

Here's the thing... I know you support Commie Bernie and you think socialism is a thing that works, but it really doesn't.
I support someone that might actually do what the Democrats pretend they want to do. The wealth gap grew to record proportions under Obama. The stock market did great while the poor fell further behind.

While the Republicans want to let the Capitalist rampage around the neighborhood, the socialist wants to take it out into the woods and shoot it.

I want it kept on a short leash.
"Too big to fail" was institutionalized under Obama. You want empty rhetoric,
 

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You're poor? Well, it must because you have bad morals...
Really?

View attachment 406880

To live in poverty isn't immoral.

To demand someone (or everyone) else to raise you out of your poverty is.
How is it not immoral then to expect taxpayers to bail you out of your bad business decisions?
It's exceptionally immoral.

Just as bailing out the individual rewards bad life decisions, bailing out a company rewards bad business decisions.
It starts at the top, You will never be able to stop giving the poor crumbs as long as you are giving billionaires, millions.
I don't see one as morally superior to the other. The only possible advantage to giving money to Billionaires is you get a better looking class of supplicant and they don't beg on the streets.

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What you see is really irrelevant.
 

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I support someone that might actually do what the Democrats pretend they want to do. The wealth gap grew to record proportions under Obama. The stock market did great while the poor fell further behind.
Not true. Most people I know where in much better shape in 2016 than they were in 2009. They are in worse shape now.

"Too big to fail" was institutionalized under Obama. You want empty rhetoric,
No, I live in the real world. the one where like it or not, big corporations are crucial to our economy. We are having a conversation because one big corporation made computers and other corporations let us hook up to the internet.
 

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I support someone that might actually do what the Democrats pretend they want to do. The wealth gap grew to record proportions under Obama. The stock market did great while the poor fell further behind.
Not true. Most people I know where in much better shape in 2016 than they were in 2009. They are in worse shape now.

"Too big to fail" was institutionalized under Obama. You want empty rhetoric,
No, I live in the real world. the one where like it or not, big corporations are crucial to our economy. We are having a conversation because one big corporation made computers and other corporations let us hook up to the internet.
We can have corporations while no longer providing them billions every year in welfare.
 

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The poor can't afford computer programs designed to take the money of the average Joe.
Every poor person in America has a smartphone and every library has free WiFi.

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In a welfare state, most will pay in indefinitely and some will be entitled indefinitely.

When being supported by others goes from being charity to an entitlement, there ceases to be any impetus to restrict it to the times when we are struggling.

Charity has always come with strings. If you pray the right prayers, we feed you. Attend our meetings and we feed you.

Entitlements, by definition, come with no strings.
You have a point there.

So you have "welfare" for poor people, and they are looked down upon if they get Medicaid, Section 8, Food Stamps or TANF. Those lazy welfare people. Oh, wait, they have jobs that only pay minimum wage. Well, those lazy welfare people not getting good jobs.

Meanwhile, you have middle class entitlements like Social Security, Medicare, Veteran's Benefits and Unemployment Insurance, which goes to mostly middle class white people. It can also be abused in various ways... and are. But we are fine with that because we've "earned" it.
The only ones looking "down" are those who are arrogant enough to demand THEY lead while the rest just blindly follow; did I just define Democrats?? You betcha!!!!

Greg
 

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In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.
So you allowed yourself to be looted....Therefore you have a right to have the people who took your fairly earned resources, under the threat of force of arms, act as your benefactors?....You have a right to be treated with dignity, by people whose only means of obtaining any resources in the first place is at the point of a gun?

What.....the.....actual.....fuck?
 

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The poor can't afford computer programs designed to take the money of the average Joe.
Every poor person in America has a smartphone and every library has free WiFi.

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Every poor person does not and the programs the big investors use are not available for free. It's why I support a tax on trades.

And just like that, you make sure the middle class can't retire comfortably, or ever move UP the social economic ladder.
 

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