Change we can believe in. The Peoples Republic of America

[Navy1960]

Universal Healthcare for All* Obama's Healthcare plan
“We now face an opportunity — and an obligation — to turn the page on the failed politics of yesterday's health care debates… My plan begins by covering every American."Barack Obama

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Health Care

Windfall profit tax on Oil to pay for social programs * Wealth redistrubition
Obama says he would impose oil windfall profits tax | Reuters

Tax on incomes above 250K* Wealth Redistrubution
wcco.com - Obama Touts Payroll Tax On Incomes Above $250K

Endorsed by the Communist Party*
The US Communist Party Endorses Obama | Sweetness & Light

Socialist Associations*

William Ayers
Carl Davidson
Frank Marshall Davis
Democratic Socialists of America
Bernardine Dohrn
Gamaliel Foundation
New Party
Socialist Scholars Conference


"The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped
education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more." Michelle Obama

This is NOT what the United States is built on, it is NOT built on the principles of everyone has a right to have what their neighbor has. You want that, then go work for it, it's that simple. If you want the Peoples Republic of America then vote for Obama.

 

[SwingVoter]

No recent president has been more Socialist than Bush. He's increased spending 3 points as a share of GDP over his Democratic predecessor, enacted the biggest move to socialized medicine since LBJ with Medicare Part D, and had a liberal spending agenda ranging on issues from No Child Left Behind to AIDS in Africa.

Only difference with Bush socialism and the Dems is that his will be paid out of future tax increases. I don't like big gov't, but tax-and-spend certainly beats borrow-and-spend.

 

[Luissa]

No recent president has been more Socialist than Bush. He's increased spending 3 points as a share of GDP over his Democratic predecessor, enacted the biggest move to socialized medicine since LBJ with Medicare Part D, and had a liberal spending agenda ranging on issues from No Child Left Behind to AIDS in Africa.

Only difference with Bush socialism and the Dems is that his will be paid out of future tax increases. I don't like big gov't, but tax-and-spend certainly beats borrow-and-spend.

Isn't that what Palin did Wassila? Borrow and spend!

 

[chopcrazy]

Isn't that whay Palin did Wassila? Borrow and spend!

Isn't that what most all americans do is borrow and spend? I would say most everyone on this board borrow's and spends.

 

[Luissa]

Isn't that what most all americans do is borrow and spend? I would say most everyone on this board borrow's and spends.

But isn't that why were are having such a problem with the housing market right now! And I don't borrow and spend. I learned early on it doesn't always work out well.

 

[chopcrazy]

But isn't that why were are having such a problem with the housing market right now! And I don't borrow and spend. I learned early on it doesn't always work out well.

Not everyone can save enough to pay cash for a house or car. It takes people a lot of years to save for a down payment, just think how many more years it would take to save to pay 100% cash for the house.

 

[Luissa]

Not everyone can save enough to pay cash for a house or car. It takes people a lot of years to save for a down payment, just think how many more years it would take to save to pay 100% cash for the house.

I get that but these people didn't have the money to pay loan payments or the interests rates. They had no credit and had no business buying homes and mortgage companies didn't care.

 

[Navy1960]

I suppose, the message is lost here a little. The point is this, to take from those that pay the majority of taxes in this country as well as business to support the entire country for things such as Universal HealthCare is Socialism and one of the guiding principles of Socialism is "Wealth Redistribution". I put this here to illustrate, that Obama see's all people as social equals in that, they all have a born right to a house, a job and healthcare and in order to achieve this , he has in essence created a climate of class warefare, straight out of the Karl Marx playbook. This are Not the guiding principles of this country , you do NOT have a right to healthcare in this country, nor do you I have right to a job or a house. If you want those things in this country you have to go out and work for them. It is NOT the responsiblity of the entire nation to see to it that each citizen has the same as his or her neighbor.Again, if you want those things, go and get them. It didn't stop many Americans from rising from poverty to achieve great things, You think Gen. Colin Powell was born wealthy no he was born in Harlem ? or perhaps, someone like Bill Gates for that matter whos mom was a stay at home mom? No they achieved what that have by going out and getting the things in life that they wanted, thats what this country is about.

 

[Annie]

So those on the left, which party are you for? You are making the argument that the 'right' has delivered, are you sure you want to go there?

 

[Luissa]

I suppose, the message is lost here a little. The point is this, to take from those that pay the majority of taxes in this country as well as business to support the entire country for things such as Universal HealthCare is Socialism and one of the guiding principles of Socialism is "Wealth Redistribution". I put this here to illustrate, that Obama see's all people as social equals in that, they all have a born right to a house, a job and healthcare and in order to achieve this , he has in essence created a climate of class warefare, straight out of the Karl Marx playbook. This are Not the guiding principles of this country , you do NOT have a right to healthcare in this country, nor do you I have right to a job or a house. If you want those things in this country you have to go out and work for them. It is NOT the responsiblity of the entire nation to see to it that each citizen has the same as his or her neighbor.Again, if you want those things, go and get them. It didn't stop many Americans from rising from poverty to achieve great things, You think Gen. Colin Powell was born wealthy no he was born in Harlem ? or perhaps, someone like Bill Gates for that matter whos mom was a stay at home mom? No they achieved what that have by going out and getting the things in life that they wanted, thats what this country is about.

I really don't think Obama thinks that way and I might be wrong. I think he feels some people might need alittle help along the way. I also completly agree with his college tutition tax credits. The people in the middle class get screwed when it comes to college.

 

[dilloduck]

I suppose, the message is lost here a little. The point is this, to take from those that pay the majority of taxes in this country as well as business to support the entire country for things such as Universal HealthCare is Socialism and one of the guiding principles of Socialism is "Wealth Redistribution". I put this here to illustrate, that Obama see's all people as social equals in that, they all have a born right to a house, a job and healthcare and in order to achieve this , he has in essence created a climate of class warefare, straight out of the Karl Marx playbook. This are Not the guiding principles of this country , you do NOT have a right to healthcare in this country, nor do you I have right to a job or a house. If you want those things in this country you have to go out and work for them. It is NOT the responsiblity of the entire nation to see to it that each citizen has the same as his or her neighbor.Again, if you want those things, go and get them. It didn't stop many Americans from rising from poverty to achieve great things, You think Gen. Colin Powell was born wealthy no he was born in Harlem ? or perhaps, someone like Bill Gates for that matter whos mom was a stay at home mom? No they achieved what that have by going out and getting the things in life that they wanted, thats what this country is about.

Not totally lost----some of us understood it. The rest are going to misconstrue the constitution in an attempt to prove you wrong yet it pretty much goes straight to the heart of the division in America. Whose job is it to provide what ?

 

[AllieBaba]

I suppose, the message is lost here a little. The point is this, to take from those that pay the majority of taxes in this country as well as business to support the entire country for things such as Universal HealthCare is Socialism and one of the guiding principles of Socialism is "Wealth Redistribution". I put this here to illustrate, that Obama see's all people as social equals in that, they all have a born right to a house, a job and healthcare and in order to achieve this , he has in essence created a climate of class warefare, straight out of the Karl Marx playbook. This are Not the guiding principles of this country , you do NOT have a right to healthcare in this country, nor do you I have right to a job or a house. If you want those things in this country you have to go out and work for them. It is NOT the responsiblity of the entire nation to see to it that each citizen has the same as his or her neighbor.Again, if you want those things, go and get them. It didn't stop many Americans from rising from poverty to achieve great things, You think Gen. Colin Powell was born wealthy no he was born in Harlem ? or perhaps, someone like Bill Gates for that matter whos mom was a stay at home mom? No they achieved what that have by going out and getting the things in life that they wanted, thats what this country is about.

You're absolutely right and I'd rep you if I could.

 

[Navy1960]

I really don't think Obama thinks that way and I might be wrong. I think he feels some people might need alittle help along the way. I also completly agree with his college tutition tax credits. The people in the middle class get screwed when it comes to college.

Now I will have to give you that one on the college costs, I am paying for college for two right now. However, those costs I think should remain in the states hands with some independant oversight from the people that have to pay the darn money to these universities. I have as you have no doubt seen Luissa a differing opinion on Obama.

 

[Navy1960]

Not totally lost----some of us understood it. The rest are going to misconstrue the constitution in an attempt to prove you wrong yet it pretty much goes straight to the heart of the division in America. Whose job is it to provide what ?

I tend to agree dillo, but you know, I have read the constitution many times, I have yet to see anywhere in there a place that references healthcare for all, a home for all, and a job for all. That must be in that so called "living document" section thats been tossed around and around. Now while some have their hearts in the right place and want to do the right thing by those that have less than they do, and there are places for that too. It's called "charity", giving, and public service. There are literally millions of such companies in this country that do just that. The one example that comes to mind is a drug company that a friend of mine works for. They have a program within their company that gives medicine "free of charge" to those that cannot afford it. From what I understand, this is pretty standard fair within that industry. I know that many will come and say I am wrong, but the facts are this country was built upon the principles I cited earlier and not , "hey those guys made too much money they owe me". Since when did we become a nation that thinks success is something thats evil or bad or something to fear? Perhaps it's time that the principles that guided this country for so long need to be talked about more, rather than talking about how evil someone must be if they are successful.

 

[Navy1960]

You're absolutely right and I'd rep you if I could.

Thank You Allie

 

[-Cp]

No recent president has been more Socialist than Bush. He's increased spending 3 points as a share of GDP over his Democratic predecessor, enacted the biggest move to socialized medicine since LBJ with Medicare Part D, and had a liberal spending agenda ranging on issues from No Child Left Behind to AIDS in Africa.

Only difference with Bush socialism and the Dems is that his will be paid out of future tax increases. I don't like big gov't, but tax-and-spend certainly beats borrow-and-spend.

And that has to do w/ this current election, how?

 

[jillian]

And that has to do w/ this current election, how?

Er... because McCain agrees with Bush about 90% of the time.

You do know that, right?

 

[Luissa]

Now I will have to give you that one on the college costs, I am paying for college for two right now. However, those costs I think should remain in the states hands with some independant oversight from the people that have to pay the darn money to these universities. I have as you have no doubt seen Luissa a differing opinion on Obama.

I get what you are saying but many of your guys answers is for the state to oversee it or fund these programs but wasn't that problem with our country when it first began. You only paid taxes to the state and therefore the fed gov't was failing and some states were not able to function the way others did. I know it was a different time but the answer to everything can't be for it to be a state issue.
I know one state shouldn't always support another but certain states don't have the revenue that others do.

 

[SwingVoter]

one of the guiding principles of Socialism is "Wealth Redistribution". and getting the things in life that they wanted, thats what this country is about.

and the Republicans have supported redistribution of wealth from productive self-employed people (who they're supposed to support) to old people (medicare part D), poor people (no child left behind), people in other countries (AIDS Africa), and just about anyone else they could find

Bush is as much a socialist as Jimmy Carter, if not worse. McCain doesn't seem as bad, but he's so bad at math and economics, he doesn't realize the earmarks he rails against are a rounding error in the Fed budget.

Obama has socialist intents no doubt, but simple math suggests he'll be unable to raise spending to the extent Bush has, or McCain wants to. The GOP is no longer fooling any of us on the fiscal right, they're no less for big gov't than the Dems.

 

[SwingVoter]

And that has to do w/ this current election, how?

Mac has no major proposals to cut spending, earmarks are a rounding error compared to Medicare and Socialist Security. He likes to say the words "reform", but has never stood up to free spending Dems the way Newt Gingrich did in the 90s.