Capitalism seen doing 'more harm than good' in global survey

[bripat9643]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

 

[Mac1958]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

 

[bripat9643]

That's true. Why would anyone want to do that other than corrupt politicians?

I suppose we need to ask Trump that. Trump the "capitalist".

What businesses has Trump bailed out?

Why do you even bother replying?

I love watching you squirm when you can't answer a question.

Now answer the question: What businesses has Trump bailed out?

You are fully aware of this already.

America’s farm safety net is broken. Instead of helping small farmers that have been hurt by the Trump administration’s trade war, Trump’s Agriculture Department is wantonly distributing billions of taxpayer dollars to the largest and wealthiest farms.’

Trump vowed to help small farmers, but here’s where the aid is really going

Why are you whining about a practice that has been in place for decades?

 

[bripat9643]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

You're talking about something that never happened?

 

[Mac1958]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

You're talking about something that never happened?

Yes, in your mind.
.

 

[bripat9643]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

You're talking about something that never happened?

Yes, in your mind.
.

Please supply an example.

 

[daveman]

No doubt those who are pushing socialism appreciate the right wing's abject indifference to our increasing wealth disparities.

In my lifetime, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos acquired nearly a QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS.

Specifically, how much money did that acquisition take out of your pocket? How much richer, what part of that quarter of a trillion dollars would be in your pocket today?

Don't know, don't care.

Millions do, however, and they vote. And mocking them doesn't help.
.

If they want me to vote with them, however, they need to be able to rationally explain their position.

NOTE: "GIBS ME DAT" is not a rational explanation.

That's what Wall Street demanded when the Reserve started raising rates. Trump yelled that they needed to stop. Trump called for negative rates. This harms many but those who already have screamed GIVE US MORE!!!!!

And this is an inducement to vote Democrat?

Not seeing it.

 

[Mac1958]

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

You're talking about something that never happened?

Yes, in your mind.
.

Please supply an example.

The Meltdown. A bright and shining example of the financial system running amuck while Alan Greenspan (who later admitted it) and others refused to regulate it.

But I know. It was all the Dems' fault. I know the talk radio line.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I've learned that trying to communicate with someone who has fallen down the rabbit hole is like trying to communicate with a wild-eyed teenager on the streets of Damascus, or a protest sign-holding Westboro Baptist Church member picketing the funeral of a soldier. It's an abject waste of time.

Believe what you're told to believe, I can't change that. I'm good.
.

 

[daveman]

What are you smoking.

I was reading about a guy in China, that under communism, was starving in one of their farming camps. After liberalization, he started getting corrugated iron sheets from landfills, and selling them to the poor people as roofing material. He now runs a billion dollar roofing company, and is a billionaire in China.

Do you call that socialist or capitalist? If that isn't capitalist, then I don't know what you would call it.

You read.......lol. I read that Trump bailed out farmers. Where do we find this in Capitalism?

We don't.... and I never suggested that Trump was an ideologue, nor a champion of capitalist ideals. One of the primary reason I did not vote for Trump in 2016, is because I thought for sure he'd be pushing government run health care, and more control over the market.

So.... you fail. I don't support any bailouts anywhere. The conservatives didn't support bank bailouts in 2009 either.

Conservative Republicans offer bailout alternative

In fact, the Tea Party which was generally a conservative movement, was a backlash against the bailouts.

Capitalism does not involve government either paying for, or bailout out, business. If that happens, it isn't capitalism.

As I've noted many times, we are not a nation that runs on Capitalism.

Every nation runs on capitalism, fool.

Capitalists do not bail out a business that failed.

I agree. GM should have folded. But the UAW and statists decided otherwise. And a few accounting tricks later, they still haven't paid back the American taxpayer.

I'll never buy a new GM product for that reason.

 

[Andylusion]

Nothing I said, anywhere in my entire post did I suggest, by any stretch of the most wild or incoherent imagination, that we did not practice capitalism.

No bailing out failed businesses.

Of course not. You seem to be implying that because we have deviated from Capitalism, that this means we do not practice Capitalism. That is ridiculous. That is like saying because we have murder in this country, that we don't practice a right to life.

Fail. If someone is a murderer they do not respect a right to life. Your argument is that because someone else murders someone that does not mean you do not respect a right to life. That would be correct BUT it is the government breaking nearly every aspect of capitalism so it can not be operating on capitalism. It's operating on something else.

No being forced to get permission from the government to trade with your partners.

Agreed.

No Federal Reserve trying to control it all.

Impossible. While ideals would be great, it is not possible to have a system without a Federal Reserve. Simply impossible. Aiming for what is impossible, will discredit attempts to achieve what is possible.

Then we are operating on something other than Capitalism. The Federal Reserve is a system far closer to Socialism.

That is never going to happen but people are going to pretend we are a capitalist society. With that being the case I am going to do all I can to see that everything doesn't get dumped on the poor

We do live in a capitalist society. End of story. End of debate. I can open my own business today, and if successful, I could end up a multi-millionaire. In fact, I could simply save and invest my capital, even with a low income, and become a multi-millionaire. My parents are millionaires, because they saved and invested capital their whole lives.

People in Scandinavian countries that people condemn as socialist nations can't open their own business and be a success?

As far as seeing that everything does not get dumped on the poor, what does this mean? The poor are poor, because they make choices. The rich are rich, because they make choices.

What choices did Trump make to make himself rich? Trump is rich based upon what vagina he came out of. Trump failed and failed only to have daddy bail him out. Trump got banks to go along based upon who his daddy was. Can just anyone make that choice?

When someone makes bad choices in life the lead them to be poor, it's not you dumping on them.... it is them reaping the results of their choices.

You will never change this. Never. You can't force people to be wise. Thus you can not avoid people reaping poverty for bad choices.

Bankers are rich beyond rich but they failed. They failed but yet the government gave them billions and billions more. Right now the Federal Reserve still is. How much of the billions and billions being pumped is going to the country as a whole? Why should only a small percentage get the largest portion of this while the rest get very little?

How exactly is that capitalism?

That would be correct BUT it is the government breaking nearly every aspect of capitalism so it can not be operating on capitalism. It's operating on something else.

Really? So if I open a business tomorrow... does the government not protect my rights? Yes it does. That's capitalism. If I make a profit off of my business, and grow my capital, does government not respect my property? Yes it does. That's capitalism. If I change how I do business, say the product, or how I distribute the product, does the government not respect my property? Yes it does.

Please explain how the above being true, is not mutually exclusive to claiming government breaks nearly every aspect of capitalism?

People in Scandinavian countries that people condemn as socialist nations can't open their own business and be a success?

They are capitalist. They have some socialist aspects, yes. But the basic foundation of their economy is capitalist by any measure.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Iceland is actually higher on the economic freedom index than the US. They are Capitalist.

Some of the biggest capitalist profit driven companies in the world are in the those countries. And the idea that they are socialist is ridiculous. The rich there, live like rich people. The poor there, live like poor people. Legos is based out of Denmark, and the daughter of the multi-billionaire executive team, owns an entire horse ranch with a thousand acres of land, because... she likes to take ponies to the pony shows, and win medals.

The rich are rich. The poor are poor. It's a capitalist based economy like any other.

What choices did Trump make to make himself rich? Trump is rich based upon what vagina he came out of. Trump failed and failed only to have daddy bail him out. Trump got banks to go along based upon who his daddy was. Can just anyone make that choice?

80% of all millionaires and billionaires are first generation rich. 80%. Yes, there are a few people who are born wealthy.

Further, maybe you are bit ignorant of how most things work, but nearly all successful people fail a bunch of times. Bill Gates, completely failed in his first business venture. So did Henry Heinz.
15 Highly Successful People Who Failed On Their Way To Success

Must successful people fail, sometimes multiple times, before they become successful. This is normal.

Bankers are rich beyond rich but they failed. They failed but yet the government gave them billions and billions more. Right now the Federal Reserve still is. How much of the billions and billions being pumped is going to the country as a whole? Why should only a small percentage get the largest portion of this while the rest get very little?

Well again, I'm a capitalist. I'm against government giving money to anyone.

But your entire statement is completely flaws. The rest get very little? What are you smoking?
70% of all government revenue goes to transfers to individuals. Roughly 15% of the entire economy, is being collected and redistributed to individual US citizens.

By any possible measure, the amount of money we gave to the banks, is a tiny fraction of how much is given out in government hand outs.

Again, that does not justify giving any money to anyone. But to claim that bankers are getting the bulk of the money, when over two Trillion dollars is being handed out EVERY SINGLE YEAR to the public... you are being just ignorantly absurd. Just totally insane.

 

[bripat9643]

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

You're talking about something that never happened?

Yes, in your mind.
.

Please supply an example.

The Meltdown. A bright and shining example of the financial system running amuck while Alan Greenspan (who later admitted it) and others refused to regulate it.

But I know. It was all the Dems' fault. I know the talk radio line.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I've learned that trying to communicate with someone who has fallen down the rabbit hole is like trying to communicate with a wild-eyed teenager on the streets of Damascus, or a protest sign-holding Westboro Baptist Church member picketing the funeral of a soldier. It's an abject waste of time.

Believe what you're told to believe, I can't change that. I'm good.
.

Sorry, but deregulation isn't what caused the "melt down." Precisely the opposite is the case. Regulators forcing banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't pay them is what caused it. Democrats created those regulations, so they are responsible.

Believe what you're told to believe, I can't change that. I'm good.

 

[pknopp]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

It's similar to battered spouse syndrome. Always an excuse for bad behavior.

 

[bripat9643]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

It's similar to battered spouse syndrome. Always an excuse for bad behavior.

Your syndrome is called mental retardation.

 

[pknopp]

No doubt those who are pushing socialism appreciate the right wing's abject indifference to our increasing wealth disparities.

In my lifetime, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos acquired nearly a QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS.

Specifically, how much money did that acquisition take out of your pocket? How much richer, what part of that quarter of a trillion dollars would be in your pocket today?

Don't know, don't care.

Millions do, however, and they vote. And mocking them doesn't help.
.

If they want me to vote with them, however, they need to be able to rationally explain their position.

NOTE: "GIBS ME DAT" is not a rational explanation.

That's what Wall Street demanded when the Reserve started raising rates. Trump yelled that they needed to stop. Trump called for negative rates. This harms many but those who already have screamed GIVE US MORE!!!!!

And this is an inducement to vote Democrat?

Not seeing it.

That's a vast generalization I would never make. I'm not a blind partisan.

 

[bripat9643]

In my lifetime, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos acquired nearly a QUARTER OF A TRILLION DOLLARS.

Specifically, how much money did that acquisition take out of your pocket? How much richer, what part of that quarter of a trillion dollars would be in your pocket today?

Don't know, don't care.

Millions do, however, and they vote. And mocking them doesn't help.
.

If they want me to vote with them, however, they need to be able to rationally explain their position.

NOTE: "GIBS ME DAT" is not a rational explanation.

That's what Wall Street demanded when the Reserve started raising rates. Trump yelled that they needed to stop. Trump called for negative rates. This harms many but those who already have screamed GIVE US MORE!!!!!

And this is an inducement to vote Democrat?

Not seeing it.

That's a vast generalization I would never make. I'm not a blind partisan.

 

[pknopp]

You read.......lol. I read that Trump bailed out farmers. Where do we find this in Capitalism?

We don't.... and I never suggested that Trump was an ideologue, nor a champion of capitalist ideals. One of the primary reason I did not vote for Trump in 2016, is because I thought for sure he'd be pushing government run health care, and more control over the market.

So.... you fail. I don't support any bailouts anywhere. The conservatives didn't support bank bailouts in 2009 either.

Conservative Republicans offer bailout alternative

In fact, the Tea Party which was generally a conservative movement, was a backlash against the bailouts.

Capitalism does not involve government either paying for, or bailout out, business. If that happens, it isn't capitalism.

As I've noted many times, we are not a nation that runs on Capitalism.

Every nation runs on capitalism, fool.

Capitalists do not bail out a business that failed.

I agree. GM should have folded. But the UAW and statists decided otherwise. And a few accounting tricks later, they still haven't paid back the American taxpayer.

I'll never buy a new GM product for that reason.

Wall Street shouldn't still be getting billions and billions by the week either.

 

[Markle]

"Capitalism" is not the problem. "Socialism" is not a problem. Greed, avarice, egoism and extreme materialism are the problem(s).
Any economic system would work where those participating did so in a sense of familial caring.
When it is recognized that we are all related and that what is good for 'you' is good for 'me', vast problems will evaporate.
If that is never recognized, all the problems will be resolved by our species' disappearance.

Do you deny that greed can also be a good thing?

What economic system would work in a sense of familial caring?

 

[pknopp]

Nothing I said, anywhere in my entire post did I suggest, by any stretch of the most wild or incoherent imagination, that we did not practice capitalism.

No bailing out failed businesses.

Of course not. You seem to be implying that because we have deviated from Capitalism, that this means we do not practice Capitalism. That is ridiculous. That is like saying because we have murder in this country, that we don't practice a right to life.

Fail. If someone is a murderer they do not respect a right to life. Your argument is that because someone else murders someone that does not mean you do not respect a right to life. That would be correct BUT it is the government breaking nearly every aspect of capitalism so it can not be operating on capitalism. It's operating on something else.

No being forced to get permission from the government to trade with your partners.

Agreed.

No Federal Reserve trying to control it all.

Impossible. While ideals would be great, it is not possible to have a system without a Federal Reserve. Simply impossible. Aiming for what is impossible, will discredit attempts to achieve what is possible.

Then we are operating on something other than Capitalism. The Federal Reserve is a system far closer to Socialism.

That is never going to happen but people are going to pretend we are a capitalist society. With that being the case I am going to do all I can to see that everything doesn't get dumped on the poor

We do live in a capitalist society. End of story. End of debate. I can open my own business today, and if successful, I could end up a multi-millionaire. In fact, I could simply save and invest my capital, even with a low income, and become a multi-millionaire. My parents are millionaires, because they saved and invested capital their whole lives.

People in Scandinavian countries that people condemn as socialist nations can't open their own business and be a success?

As far as seeing that everything does not get dumped on the poor, what does this mean? The poor are poor, because they make choices. The rich are rich, because they make choices.

What choices did Trump make to make himself rich? Trump is rich based upon what vagina he came out of. Trump failed and failed only to have daddy bail him out. Trump got banks to go along based upon who his daddy was. Can just anyone make that choice?

When someone makes bad choices in life the lead them to be poor, it's not you dumping on them.... it is them reaping the results of their choices.

You will never change this. Never. You can't force people to be wise. Thus you can not avoid people reaping poverty for bad choices.

Bankers are rich beyond rich but they failed. They failed but yet the government gave them billions and billions more. Right now the Federal Reserve still is. How much of the billions and billions being pumped is going to the country as a whole? Why should only a small percentage get the largest portion of this while the rest get very little?

How exactly is that capitalism?

That would be correct BUT it is the government breaking nearly every aspect of capitalism so it can not be operating on capitalism. It's operating on something else.

Really? So if I open a business tomorrow... does the government not protect my rights? Yes it does. That's capitalism. If I make a profit off of my business, and grow my capital, does government not respect my property? Yes it does. That's capitalism. If I change how I do business, say the product, or how I distribute the product, does the government not respect my property? Yes it does.

Please explain how the above being true, is not mutually exclusive to claiming government breaks nearly every aspect of capitalism?

People in Scandinavian countries that people condemn as socialist nations can't open their own business and be a success?

They are capitalist. They have some socialist aspects, yes. But the basic foundation of their economy is capitalist by any measure.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Iceland is actually higher on the economic freedom index than the US. They are Capitalist.

Some of the biggest capitalist profit driven companies in the world are in the those countries. And the idea that they are socialist is ridiculous. The rich there, live like rich people. The poor there, live like poor people. Legos is based out of Denmark, and the daughter of the multi-billionaire executive team, owns an entire horse ranch with a thousand acres of land, because... she likes to take ponies to the pony shows, and win medals.

The rich are rich. The poor are poor. It's a capitalist based economy like any other.

What choices did Trump make to make himself rich? Trump is rich based upon what vagina he came out of. Trump failed and failed only to have daddy bail him out. Trump got banks to go along based upon who his daddy was. Can just anyone make that choice?

80% of all millionaires and billionaires are first generation rich. 80%. Yes, there are a few people who are born wealthy.

Further, maybe you are bit ignorant of how most things work, but nearly all successful people fail a bunch of times. Bill Gates, completely failed in his first business venture. So did Henry Heinz.
15 Highly Successful People Who Failed On Their Way To Success

Must successful people fail, sometimes multiple times, before they become successful. This is normal.

Bankers are rich beyond rich but they failed. They failed but yet the government gave them billions and billions more. Right now the Federal Reserve still is. How much of the billions and billions being pumped is going to the country as a whole? Why should only a small percentage get the largest portion of this while the rest get very little?

Well again, I'm a capitalist. I'm against government giving money to anyone.

But your entire statement is completely flaws. The rest get very little? What are you smoking?
70% of all government revenue goes to transfers to individuals. Roughly 15% of the entire economy, is being collected and redistributed to individual US citizens.

By any possible measure, the amount of money we gave to the banks, is a tiny fraction of how much is given out in government hand outs.

Again, that does not justify giving any money to anyone. But to claim that bankers are getting the bulk of the money, when over two Trillion dollars is being handed out EVERY SINGLE YEAR to the public... you are being just ignorantly absurd. Just totally insane.

Nothing I said, anywhere in my entire post did I suggest, by any stretch of the most wild or incoherent imagination, that we did not practice capitalism.

No bailing out failed businesses.

Of course not. You seem to be implying that because we have deviated from Capitalism, that this means we do not practice Capitalism. That is ridiculous. That is like saying because we have murder in this country, that we don't practice a right to life.

Fail. If someone is a murderer they do not respect a right to life. Your argument is that because someone else murders someone that does not mean you do not respect a right to life. That would be correct BUT it is the government breaking nearly every aspect of capitalism so it can not be operating on capitalism. It's operating on something else.

No being forced to get permission from the government to trade with your partners.

Agreed.

No Federal Reserve trying to control it all.

Impossible. While ideals would be great, it is not possible to have a system without a Federal Reserve. Simply impossible. Aiming for what is impossible, will discredit attempts to achieve what is possible.

Then we are operating on something other than Capitalism. The Federal Reserve is a system far closer to Socialism.

That is never going to happen but people are going to pretend we are a capitalist society. With that being the case I am going to do all I can to see that everything doesn't get dumped on the poor

We do live in a capitalist society. End of story. End of debate. I can open my own business today, and if successful, I could end up a multi-millionaire. In fact, I could simply save and invest my capital, even with a low income, and become a multi-millionaire. My parents are millionaires, because they saved and invested capital their whole lives.

People in Scandinavian countries that people condemn as socialist nations can't open their own business and be a success?

As far as seeing that everything does not get dumped on the poor, what does this mean? The poor are poor, because they make choices. The rich are rich, because they make choices.

What choices did Trump make to make himself rich? Trump is rich based upon what vagina he came out of. Trump failed and failed only to have daddy bail him out. Trump got banks to go along based upon who his daddy was. Can just anyone make that choice?

When someone makes bad choices in life the lead them to be poor, it's not you dumping on them.... it is them reaping the results of their choices.

You will never change this. Never. You can't force people to be wise. Thus you can not avoid people reaping poverty for bad choices.

Bankers are rich beyond rich but they failed. They failed but yet the government gave them billions and billions more. Right now the Federal Reserve still is. How much of the billions and billions being pumped is going to the country as a whole? Why should only a small percentage get the largest portion of this while the rest get very little?

How exactly is that capitalism?

That would be correct BUT it is the government breaking nearly every aspect of capitalism so it can not be operating on capitalism. It's operating on something else.

Really? So if I open a business tomorrow... does the government not protect my rights? Yes it does. That's capitalism. If I make a profit off of my business, and grow my capital, does government not respect my property? Yes it does. That's capitalism. If I change how I do business, say the product, or how I distribute the product, does the government not respect my property? Yes it does.

Please explain how the above being true, is not mutually exclusive to claiming government breaks nearly every aspect of capitalism?

It isn't always true.

Proposed Senatobia roundabout may force businesses to close

You only discuss vast generalizations, not the reality.

People in Scandinavian countries that people condemn as socialist nations can't open their own business and be a success?

They are capitalist. They have some socialist aspects, yes. But the basic foundation of their economy is capitalist by any measure.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Iceland is actually higher on the economic freedom index than the US. They are Capitalist.

Some of the biggest capitalist profit driven companies in the world are in the those countries. And the idea that they are socialist is ridiculous. The rich there, live like rich people. The poor there, live like poor people. Legos is based out of Denmark, and the daughter of the multi-billionaire executive team, owns an entire horse ranch with a thousand acres of land, because... she likes to take ponies to the pony shows, and win medals.

The rich are rich. The poor are poor. It's a capitalist based economy like any other.

What choices did Trump make to make himself rich? Trump is rich based upon what vagina he came out of. Trump failed and failed only to have daddy bail him out. Trump got banks to go along based upon who his daddy was. Can just anyone make that choice?

80% of all millionaires and billionaires are first generation rich. 80%. Yes, there are a few people who are born wealthy.

Further, maybe you are bit ignorant of how most things work, but nearly all successful people fail a bunch of times. Bill Gates, completely failed in his first business venture. So did Henry Heinz.
15 Highly Successful People Who Failed On Their Way To Success

Must successful people fail, sometimes multiple times, before they become successful. This is normal.

Bankers are rich beyond rich but they failed. They failed but yet the government gave them billions and billions more. Right now the Federal Reserve still is. How much of the billions and billions being pumped is going to the country as a whole? Why should only a small percentage get the largest portion of this while the rest get very little?

Well again, I'm a capitalist. I'm against government giving money to anyone.

But your entire statement is completely flaws. The rest get very little? What are you smoking?
70% of all government revenue goes to transfers to individuals. Roughly 15% of the entire economy, is being collected and redistributed to individual US citizens.

By any possible measure, the amount of money we gave to the banks, is a tiny fraction of how much is given out in government hand outs.

Again, that does not justify giving any money to anyone. But to claim that bankers are getting the bulk of the money, when over two Trillion dollars is being handed out EVERY SINGLE YEAR to the public... you are being just ignorantly absurd. Just totally insane.

I keep on providing examples and you keep on using the excuse that you do not support that. It's irrelevant if you support it or not. It is what we do in the name of "capitalism" and there is nothing capitalistic about it.

 

[Andylusion]

We do not practice capitalism. We practice at best crony capitalism propped up with Socialist programs.

And, bingo.

We've somehow managed to combine simplistic, mindless libertarianism with we'll-bail-you-out socialism. The libertarians think regulation is evil, and then we have to bail out the big guys because they took advantage of a lack of regulation. Holy crap.

Meanwhile, wealth disparity increases.

This is what happens when ideology and jingoism replace informed critical thinking.
.

It never happened. No business ever had to be bailed out because of a lack of regulation.

This is what I'm talking about.
.

But he is absolutely, one hundred percent, dead on right.

 

[Andylusion]

We don't.... and I never suggested that Trump was an ideologue, nor a champion of capitalist ideals. One of the primary reason I did not vote for Trump in 2016, is because I thought for sure he'd be pushing government run health care, and more control over the market.

So.... you fail. I don't support any bailouts anywhere. The conservatives didn't support bank bailouts in 2009 either.

Conservative Republicans offer bailout alternative

In fact, the Tea Party which was generally a conservative movement, was a backlash against the bailouts.

Capitalism does not involve government either paying for, or bailout out, business. If that happens, it isn't capitalism.

As I've noted many times, we are not a nation that runs on Capitalism.

Every nation runs on capitalism, fool.

Capitalists do not bail out a business that failed.

I agree. GM should have folded. But the UAW and statists decided otherwise. And a few accounting tricks later, they still haven't paid back the American taxpayer.

I'll never buy a new GM product for that reason.

Wall Street shouldn't still be getting billions and billions by the week either.

Can you show me direct proof that "Wall St" is getting billions by the week? Give me an example. Preferably an example that you can document.