Canada apporves new oil pipeline

[rightwinger]

Man....the lack of understanding about what this oil represents to us is sad. This will not be a job creator and it will not lower energy costs. Jeez.......get some facts.

Other than another GOP gift to Big Oil, Keystone does very little for the average American. If Republicans care about jobs......approve some infrastructure projects

Get America working again with projects that help America not Canada

 

[LoneLaugher]

Man....the lack of understanding about what this oil represents to us is sad. This will not be a job creator and it will not lower energy costs. Jeez.......get some facts.

Can you expand on that?
Tell me why easier access to oil is "sad"?

I've got a minute.

The jobs are temporary.

The oil that flows in those pipes won't bring down our gas prices or our energy prices.

The sad part is that you believe the opposite of what I just said to be true. And you will believe what you believe in spite of the facts not being on your side.

 

[JFK_USA]

I've never understood the Republican obsession with Keystone.....Think of the JOBs....we only care about the JOBs

If Republicans want JOBS....why don't they push for more infrastructure construction projects? Roads, bridges, tunnels, dams, power and communication grid and most importantly......upgrading and maintaining what we have

Yet, every time these projects come up...Republicans sit on them

conservatives do push for this spending I can't see how you can say otherwise. The government is spending already MORE then they take in how in the hell can we increase spending? The left rails about the TP wanting financial responsibility and the left offers absolutely no alternative other then to spend even more. It is crazy.

Other than it had Obamas name on it, why did they kill the Obama Jobs bill that was mostly infrastructure improvement?
Why did Chris Christie kill the NYC tunnell that would have provided thousands of more jobs than Keystone? Why didn't Republicans protest that?
Where are all the Republican infrastructure bills? They are good at proposing kill Obamacare bills, why can't they push for some infrastructure?

Because Obama proposed it.

Obama could propose taking away food stamps and the right would be against it.

 

[JFK_USA]

Man....the lack of understanding about what this oil represents to us is sad. This will not be a job creator and it will not lower energy costs. Jeez.......get some facts.

Can you expand on that?
Tell me why easier access to oil is "sad"?

I've got a minute.

The jobs are temporary.

The oil that flows in those pipes won't bring down our gas prices or our energy prices.

The sad part is that you believe the opposite of what I just said to be true. And you will believe what you believe in spite of the facts not being on your side.

No kidding. I mean Republicans fail to say those jobs are temporary not to mention when (not if) that pipeline bursts, it's so long that it will be difficult to find the spot and if it gets into the aquifer, that water supply is ruined forever and hurts our food security in the country. So we destroy our food supply to make big oil richer? No thanks

Oil prices are never going to be below $3/ gallon ever again. India and China are growing rapidly and using more oil. There is a finite decreasing supply of oil and it will go away at some point. Let's invest in renewable energy and protect our energy future before the oil runs out.

 

[longknife]

The difference between this and Keystone is that most of the work has been done on Keystone. It's just a matter of adding the finishing touches.

The Canadian pipeline won't even begin for a few more years as the Indigenous People fight it through the courts - with a very good chance of winning.

 

[Rotagilla]

Man....the lack of understanding about what this oil represents to us is sad. This will not be a job creator and it will not lower energy costs. Jeez.......get some facts.

Can you expand on that?
Tell me why easier access to oil is "sad"?

I've got a minute.

The jobs are temporary.

The actual construction jobs building it are. So?

The benefits of easier access to the commodity that runs the entire world and the offshoot industries it requires...not to mention lower prices due to abundance.

The oil that flows in those pipes won't bring down our gas prices or our energy prices.

Prove it.

Every time someone burps in the ME oil prices move up. Whenever there's a strong breeze in the gulf of mexico, prices rise. If there's an actual hurricane, prices rise and stay up.
Oil is a national security issue.

Easy access to oil will remain crucial until another practical energy source is invented.

If a president announced tomorrow that the u.s. was going to open more land for drilling, allow more drilling in coastal areas the price of oil would immediately drop. Be serious.

The sad part is that you believe the opposite of what I just said to be true. And you will believe what you believe in spite of the facts not being on your side.

I missed these "facts" you mention? Did you forget to post them?

 

[Dot Com]

So how did they get around the owners of the land?

FORT ST. JAMES, B.C. -- A group of First Nations with territory covering a quarter of the route for the proposed Northern Gateway oil pipeline met with federal representatives Friday to officially reject the project.

Officials with the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, the National Energy Board and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans met with the four clans of the Yinka Dene in Fort St. James, and listened as dozens of elders, hereditary and elected chiefs said "No."

Read more: B.C. First Nation along pipeline route officially rejects Northern Gateway plan | CTV News

 

[Toro]

So how did they get around the owners of the land?

FORT ST. JAMES, B.C. -- A group of First Nations with territory covering a quarter of the route for the proposed Northern Gateway oil pipeline met with federal representatives Friday to officially reject the project.

Officials with the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, the National Energy Board and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans met with the four clans of the Yinka Dene in Fort St. James, and listened as dozens of elders, hereditary and elected chiefs said "No."

Read more: B.C. First Nation along pipeline route officially rejects Northern Gateway plan | CTV News

They get paid.

Non-Canadians don't understand how this works.

 

[tinydancer]

Man....the lack of understanding about what this oil represents to us is sad. This will not be a job creator and it will not lower energy costs. Jeez.......get some facts.

Really? Are you going to tell me that Keystone I and Keystone II that are already in place have not created any jobs? Or created revenue for the States they run thru?

I'd like an explanation on how Keystone III won't create any jobs or revenue for the State they travel thru.

With links of course.

 

[Dot Com]

Man....the lack of understanding about what this oil represents to us is sad. This will not be a job creator and it will not lower energy costs. Jeez.......get some facts.

Other than another GOP gift to Big Oil, Keystone does very little for the average American. If Republicans care about jobs......approve some infrastructure projects

Get America working again with projects that help America not Canada

yeah. Since when was being a "middle man" considered being kewl in this great nation? I'll tell you, NEVER!!! We got too many of those fuckers on Wall St. as it is.

 

[Dot Com]

So how did they get around the owners of the land?

FORT ST. JAMES, B.C. -- A group of First Nations with territory covering a quarter of the route for the proposed Northern Gateway oil pipeline met with federal representatives Friday to officially reject the project.

Officials with the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency, the National Energy Board and the Department of Fisheries and Oceans met with the four clans of the Yinka Dene in Fort St. James, and listened as dozens of elders, hereditary and elected chiefs said "No."

Read more: B.C. First Nation along pipeline route officially rejects Northern Gateway plan | CTV News

They get paid.

Non-Canadians don't understand how this works.

ummm..... pretty sure they were offered hush money THE FIRST TIME THEY SAID NO.

 

[Dot Com]

First Nations Tribal Elders are going to regret this if they willingly signed-off on this powder keg of an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

 

[tinydancer]

conservatives do push for this spending I can't see how you can say otherwise. The government is spending already MORE then they take in how in the hell can we increase spending? The left rails about the TP wanting financial responsibility and the left offers absolutely no alternative other then to spend even more. It is crazy.

Other than it had Obamas name on it, why did they kill the Obama Jobs bill that was mostly infrastructure improvement?
Why did Chris Christie kill the NYC tunnell that would have provided thousands of more jobs than Keystone? Why didn't Republicans protest that?
Where are all the Republican infrastructure bills? They are good at proposing kill Obamacare bills, why can't they push for some infrastructure?

Because Obama proposed it.

Obama could propose taking away food stamps and the right would be against it.

Bullshit. You have Keystone I and Keystone II. Where was the outcry? Where were the protestors? Why weren't those two projects stopped?

Obama is playing fast and loose on this one because he receives huge donations from enviro whackos.

 

[Rotagilla]

First Nations Tribal Elders are going to regret this if they willingly signed-off on this powder keg of an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

How is it an "environmental disaster waiting to happen"....?

 

[Dot Com]

^ Keystone PipeLIES Exposed: The Facts on Sticky Leaks, Billion Dollar Spills, and Dirty Air | PR Watch

Take for instance the Cold Lake, Alberta, oil leak, in which a steady flow of oil seeped up from the ground, leaving pools of oil on the surface, contaminating and killing plants and animals for several weeks after being discovered in May 2013. The company responsible for the site claims that the leak was caused by the failure of a well casing installed by a prior owner of the well after a similar spill in 2009. Despite the company's claims that the spill is secured and that clean up activities are "well underway," provincial regulators flatly announced in July, "There is no control on this incident."

As yet, there is no plan to stop the spill, because according to one government scientist, nobody knows how to stop it. It may simply continue to flow until the oil runs out.

"We do not, we will not, allow this pipeline," Peter Erickson, a hereditary chief of the Nak'azdli First Nation, told the six federal bureaucrats.

"We're going to send the message today to the federal government and to the company itself: their pipeline is dead. Under no circumstances will that proposal be allowed.

"Their pipeline is now a pipe dream."

Read more: B.C. First Nation along pipeline route officially rejects Northern Gateway plan | CTV News

 

[tinydancer]

First Nations Tribal Elders are going to regret this if they willingly signed-off on this powder keg of an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

No they won't. It's a partnership. Oh and btw the Yinke Dene's petition that is signed by First Nations opposing the pipeline most don't have land anywhere near the pipeline.

$1 billion in long-term benefits

First Nations and Métis communities were offered to become equity partners providing them a 10% stake in the project. With the $300 million in estimated employment and contracts, it adds up to $1 billion in total long-term benefits for Aboriginal communities.


We have listened and responded

We offered funding for First Nations and Métis groups to participate fully in the process. Detailed Aboriginal Traditional Knowledge studies and fieldwork have influenced the pipeline’s design and route.

Active stewardship programs

Aboriginal communities along the route will have access to existing stewardship and habitat protection initiatives and we have trained people in local communities to assist in emergency response activity


Respecting First Nations concerns

To date we have held more than 2,000 meetings and 43 open houses with First Nations and Métis groups to listen, form partnerships and address concerns.

We have made a safe pipeline even safer

Acting on the recommendations of our Aboriginal partners, we have added a $500-million package of safety enhancements to the project, including provisions for thicker steel additional isolations valves and 24/7 manning of remote pump stations.

Benefits to First Nations | Northern Gateway Pipelines

 

[Dot Com]

so the First Nations are paid hush money BUT once the aquifer is contaminated, NO AMOUNT of $$$ can clean it then their traditional way of living in harmony w/ nature is destroyed .

 

[Mr. H.]

I've never understood the Republican obsession with Keystone.....Think of the JOBs....we only care about the JOBs

If Republicans want JOBS....why don't they push for more infrastructure construction projects? Roads, bridges, tunnels, dams, power and communication grid and most importantly......upgrading and maintaining what we have

Yet, every time these projects come up...Republicans sit on them

The Keystone XL is about much more than just jobs. The Alberta Clipper was about much more than just jobs. I think that State Department narrative proves that.

We have no choice but to import crude oil, and it's obviously more prudent to pipe it from our friendly neighbor to the north rather than tanker it in from some very shady countries.

No, I'm convinced that the delay is just more Obama stonewalling and mismanagement of our country.

 

[tinydancer]

For enviro whackos. Enbridge has been pro active in ensuring that everyone's environmental concerns are addressed.


The Challenge

The B.C. government’s five conditions for pipeline approval call for a world-class marine spill prevention, response and recovery system.

Our Solution

After thousands of hours of research, planning and testing, we have the most comprehensive set of marine safeguards ever established in B.C.



Our Solution

After thousands of hours of research, planning and testing, we have the most comprehensive set of marine safeguards ever established in B.C.

New radar and navigation aids make it safer for all vessels

Northern Gateway will add land-based radar to the North Coast for the first time, and install new lights, beacons and buoys throughout the Douglas Channel and approach channels.

Master mariners will guide tankers in and out of port

Only licensed, local B.C. Coast Pilots will guide our tankers. Loaded tankers will be escorted by two tugs — one of them tethered at all times. As an added precaution, tugs will carry spill response and firefighting equipment.



Advanced simulation backs our navigation plan

We tested our tanker operations at a state-of-the-art marine simulator in Denmark. The result was an endorsement of the shipping route from government departments and the British Columbia Coast Pilots.

Care taken during land to marine transfer

The Kitimat Marine Terminal will include two ship berths and 19 tanks for oil and condensate. While docked at the Terminal, tankers loading export oil will be surrounded by a containment boom.

An action plan for a swift and decisive spill response

Our goal is zero spills, but should there ever be one, our action plan mandates a swift and decisive spill response. In such an event, manpower and equipment will be deployed promptly to respond to any spill on water.


Only certified tankers will berth at our terminal

Tankers must be double-hulled, under 20 years old and meticulously certified. Crews must be certified by the International Maritime Organization, and officers must be English speaking.


A spill response capacity 3x better than required

Our spill response capacity will be more than 3x the current Canadian regulation. In addition, tanker escort tugs will carry emergency response and firefighting equipment to be able to respond immediately.

Trained emergency responders in place

Our staff, contractors, and partners will be in place to maintain an enhanced state of readiness. Regular real-time first response drills will be held and reviewed, with continuous plan improvements being made.


More at link:

Marine Protection | Northern Gateway Pipelines

 

[Plasmaball]

what is wrong with Congress in that they can't just override Obama and do what would be good for America? The crying bleeding heart liberals said the same about the Alaskan pipeline and the only problem we have had is when a bleeding heart liberal shot a hole in the pipeline. More jobs and opportunity lost because of Obama. Thanks.

Canada OKs oil pipeline to the Pacific Coast

He was "profoundly disappointed" that U.S. President Barack Obama has delayed a decision on the Texas Keystone XL option, and spoke of the need to diversify Canada's oil industry. Ninety-seven percent of Canadian oil exports now go to the U.S.

Meanwhile, China's growing economy is hungry for Canadian oil. Chinese state-owned companies have invested more than $40 billion in Canadian energy in the past few years.

canada also wants to block you from certain websites and you dont have total freedom of speech..but feel free to move.