Can someone explain to me these bibical passages??

[Jennifer.Bush]

ok so i was having this disussion w/ this person and he was trying to say that in the holy bible it approves the killing of gays by man is this tell???


Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAb


Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

are these the word of god or men???

 

[5stringJeff]

With the exception of the Proverbs verse, these are all passages from the Old Testament Law. These requirements of the Law are no longer valid, because of the new covenant of grace which was ushered in by Christ's death and resurrection. So for someone to argue that Christians are required to kill gays, non-believers, etc. is wrong. However, while the punishment for such things has changed, the principles have not. In other words, homosexuality, false prophecy, fortune telling, disobedience to parents, adultery, fornication, etc. are still immoral actions.

 

[dmp]

You're really nuts if you think somebody is going to go through every one of those scriptures and FORCE you to apply rules of 'context' to each part.

Do some research yourself. Geeesh.

 

[dilloduck]

ok so i was having this disussion w/ this person and he was trying to say that in the holy bible it approves the killing of gays by man is this tell???


Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)


Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)


Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)


Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)


Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

are these the word of god or men???

It's old Hebrew law. As Jeff said---Christ changed things.

 

[Jennifer.Bush]

It's old Hebrew law. As Jeff said---Christ changed things.

ok so those laws were not created by god right?

 

[dilloduck]

ok so those laws were not created by god right?

IMHO ? No

 

[Nienna]

ok so those laws were not created by god right?

I think it went something like this:

Moses was in constant communication with God on behalf of Israel. God had given them the Ten Commandments, but you know how people are... if you draw a line, they want to know exactly how close they can get to it before they cross it. So God said "Do not murder," and people said, "What do you mean by murder? What about self-defense, what about THIS circumstance....?" And God would answer, until a huge list of picky laws was created.

God never desired the people to focus on following laws and rules; He desired them to obey Him out of love. The truth is that EVERY sin deserves death. God was actually cutting people some slack in this.

 

[dmp]

Those aren't even LAWS...those are PARTS (without ANY context given) of instructions by God to SPECIFIC people at a specific instant. Those out-of-context words are NOT general do-alls and be-alls.

 

[5stringJeff]

ok so those laws were not created by god right?

Incorrect. Those laws were given by God. As I said, the punishments for those behaviors has changed (i.e. Christians are not to kill people for those listed behaviors), but the ethcial standards of the law have not changed.