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Why do you believe that?
Zone1 Early Christians believed that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist were transformed into the body and blood of Christ
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Because it's pretty clearly stated that way in the Scriptures plus extensive study I have done on the history and culture of that time.
It is certainly not worth fighting over to the point that some refuse to take communion with fellow believers just because they think differently, as advocated by the Catholic Church.
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The way it's stated is that they crucified him because he was claiming to be equal to God.
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Jesus suffered for his own sins, namely claiming that the true authority is his daddy in heaven.
Make it CHEEZ ITs, in honor of Cheeeesus
That's my position too. I have worshipped with most denominations including Roman Catholics over the years and I don't take communion with the RCC out of respect for their belief that I am unworthy to do that even though I am always welcome in the worship service. There are some protestant denominations that also consider me unworthy to take communion with them and I respect that as well.
Otherwise I participate in the communion/Last Supper/Eucharist when invited and appropriate to do so.
I won't fight with ANYBODY over their religious beliefs though I do enjoy discussing and debating religion/beliefs with those strong and wise enough to do that and who also enjoy the exercise.
I do take strong exception to those who go out of their way to try to ridicule/destroy a person's faith/beliefs as that can do real harm and in my opinion is evil. I am mature enough in my faith to be immune to their attacks. But not everybody is yet.
That was an heresy/blasphemy they claimed as a justification for demanding he be killed yes.
And apparently he was, and so he had it coming!
Assuming that even that bible story is to be believed as literally true?
The CC accepts it either way! It's just as acceptable to believe it's a fabricated story with a lesson. F around and find out!
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There is no belief you are unworthy. Receiving the Eucharist is a statement/proclamation of belief that one is receiving the actual body and blood of Christ. No Sacrament/Belief is forced on anyone, no tricking anyone into receiving what they do not wish to receive--the actual body and blood of Christ; No deceit on the part of anyone. Everyone stands before the Lord both in faith and in truth as they know it.
My son's first wife married a Roman Catholic. The Priest advised us that we could not participate in the Eucharist in that wedding ceremony and I respected that. And yes there are priests who are very open minded and leave it up to the individuals to decide but that is not the official position of the RCC. In those Protestant denominations that restrict communion to their members, they will say they do so to prevent people from putting themselves in jeopardy should they take communion in an 'unworthy manner.'
All I am saying is that when I worship with others, I accept and respect the beliefs, customs and rules of whatever the group is.
And then like all mortals, he was dead!
And then comes the next question of him being revived? That one is about as believable as the big fish story.
Catholics are allowed to believe whatever parts of the bibles they like!
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As the reality that they just eat bread and drink wine.It's true. Early Christians believed that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist were transformed into the body and blood of Christ.
The Real Presence is taught by St. Paul. “For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 11:26-27).
The Real Presence was taught by the twelve apostles. “Let no one eat and drink of your Eucharist but those baptized in the name of the Lord; to this, too the saying of the Lord is applicable: ‘Do not give to dogs what is sacred” (Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, or Didache, 9:5).
The Real Presence was upheld by early Christians.
It was upheld by St. Ignatius of Antioch in the first century: “Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.” (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrnaeans, circa 90 AD).
It was upheld by St. Justin Martyr in the second century: “This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God’s Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus” (St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, circa 150 AD).
It was upheld by St. Clement of Alexandria in the third century: “The one, the Watered Wine, nourishes in faith, while the other, the Spirit, leads us on to immortality. The union of both, however, – of the drink and of the Word, – is called the Eucharist, a praiseworthy and excellent gift. Those who partake of it in faith are sanctified in body and in soul. By the will of the Father, the divine mixture, man, is mystically united to the Spirit and to the Word” (St. Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor of the Children, circa 202 AD).
It was upheld by St. Cyril of Jerusalem in the fourth century: “Since then He Himself has declared and said of the Bread, (This is My Body), who shall dare to doubt any longer? And since He has affirmed and said, (This is My Blood), who shall ever hesitate, saying, that it is not His blood?” (St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, circa 350 AD).
Early Church Fathers Upholding Transubstantiation in Their Own Words
Transubstantiation, wherein bread and wine change into the Body and Blood of Christ in the eucharist has been part of Catholicism since the very beginning..www.magiscenter.com
And group think believed.
A Christian believer carries a better lunch in his nose.
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They carry the mythology of a white culture.
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And behaving as if he were equal to God. Yes, that's why they crucified Jesus. Was it a sin? Depends on if he was who he said he was.
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It's that or a massive conspiracy theory that spanned ~400 years and 24,000 written forgeries.
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Life isn't fair. Expect to make sacrifices. God did. He put himself on trial because he knew that jackanapes like yourself would.
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Like I said, it's either true or it's a massive conspiracy theory that spanned ~400 years and 24,000 written forgeries.
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