Zone1 Early Christians believed that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist were transformed into the body and blood of Christ

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As the reality that they just eat bread and drink wine.

And group think believed.

Yep, the mystery of faith is required.

 

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A Christian believer carries a better lunch in his nose.

They carry the mythology of a white culture.

Laughing leads to crying.

 

[Donald H]

Like I said, it's either true or it's a massive conspiracy theory that spanned ~400 years and 24,000 written forgeries.

Or it's another 'big fish; story that's not intended as the literal truth. As with most fishermen, the fish started out as a minnow and grew in the telling of the story over 400 years.

 

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Or it's another 'big fish; story that's not intended as the literal truth. As with most fishermen, the fish started out as a minnow and grew in the telling of the story over 400 years.

You're like a one trick pony. Don't you think it's time to learn a new trick? You're kind of boring me.

 

[Donald H]

You're like a one trick pony. Don't you think it's time to learn a new trick? You're kind of boring me.

The fish keeps taking the bait.
One fish cooking in the pan is worth more than two in a burning bush.

 

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The fish keeps taking the bait.
One fish cooking in the pan is worth more than two in a burning bush.

Said the fish that was cooked, eaten and in my belly.

 

[hadit]

There is no belief you are unworthy. Receiving the Eucharist is a statement/proclamation of belief that one is receiving the actual body and blood of Christ. No Sacrament/Belief is forced on anyone, no tricking anyone into receiving what they do not wish to receive--the actual body and blood of Christ; No deceit on the part of anyone. Everyone stands before the Lord both in faith and in truth as they know it.

Yet when my wife was invited to Mass by her Catholic friend, she was told she was not allowed to take communion with her friend because she was not Catholic.

 

[Meriweather]

Yet when my wife was invited to Mass by her Catholic friend, she was told she was not allowed to take communion with her friend because she was not Catholic.

Was she Catholic? Did she believe in Transubstantiation in the Eucharist? Did she believe in the Sacrament of Confession? Why was she at Mass? To hear scripture? Or, is there something greater in play at the Mass?

 

[hadit]

Was she Catholic? Did she believe in Transubstantiation in the Eucharist? Did she believe in the Sacrament of Confession? Why was she at Mass? To hear scripture? Or, is there something greater in play at the Mass?

It's splitting a very fine hair indeed to insist that someone can't take communion because they're not Catholic while simultaneously insisting that they are not unworthy.

 

[Meriweather]

It's splitting a very fine hair indeed to insist that someone can't take communion because they're not Catholic while simultaneously insisting that they are not unworthy.

It's not a fine hair for Catholics. But if you want to be insulting to Catholics because you feel you have been insulted, that's your call. I stand by what I've said. Receiving the Eucharist is a sacred declaration that one believes one is receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. You are insisting no such belief is necessary. If you are this way about something as sacred as faith, I can only imagine what it's like when you insist you can change to your own interpretation of the rules of a board game or team sports.

 

[hadit]

It's not a fine hair for Catholics. But if you want to be insulting to Catholics because you feel you have been insulted, that's your call. I stand by what I've said. Receiving the Eucharist is a sacred declaration that one believes one is receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. You are insisting no such belief is necessary. If you are this way about something as sacred as faith, I can only imagine what it's like when you insist you can change to your own interpretation of the rules of a board game or team sports.

Do you hear yourself? You want to be taken as an understanding, all-loving compassionate human being who accepts all, then try to insult me with juvenile insults. I'm not insulting Catholics, I'm pointing out that you can keep your communion special just for you if you want to, but it's not what the rest of us are doing. We welcome all believers to celebrate with us.

 

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it's not what the rest of us are doing.

And that's YOUR choice. Don't impose YOUR choice on a faith that is no longer YOUR own.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm pointing out that you can keep your communion special just for you if you want to, but it's not what the rest of us are doing.

Harping on the same point ad nauseum is being respectful, understanding, and compassionate? The "rest" are not doing what the Catholic faith is doing. What is the difference between the Catholic Mass and Protestant services?

 

[Meriweather]

You want to be taken as an understanding, all-loving compassionate human being who accepts all

Out of curiosity, how did you come up with that preposterous thought? Stubborn people who stand their ground are not known for any of that--as my many brothers and sisters would be happy to testify. (My parents would be in the background nodding.)

 

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Out of curiosity, how did you come up with that preposterous thought?

Probably because that's how he sees himself.

I am no saint. Never claimed to be. I doubt you did either. It is better to see oneself as bad and working towards good rather than to see oneself as good and oblivious to the potential for becoming bad.

Free will allows me to chose to do moral or immoral things. It would be a mistake of epic proportion to rationalize I am being moral when I am not. Many a saint have pondered this.

Bottom line... God uses it all to prune us; to progress us; if we are paying attention.