Zone1 Early Christians believed that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist were transformed into the body and blood of Christ

[ding]

As the reality that they just eat bread and drink wine.

And group think believed.

Yep, the mystery of faith is required.

 

[ding]

A Christian believer carries a better lunch in his nose.

They carry the mythology of a white culture.

Laughing leads to crying.

 

[Donald H]

Like I said, it's either true or it's a massive conspiracy theory that spanned ~400 years and 24,000 written forgeries.

Or it's another 'big fish; story that's not intended as the literal truth. As with most fishermen, the fish started out as a minnow and grew in the telling of the story over 400 years.

 

[ding]

Or it's another 'big fish; story that's not intended as the literal truth. As with most fishermen, the fish started out as a minnow and grew in the telling of the story over 400 years.

You're like a one trick pony. Don't you think it's time to learn a new trick? You're kind of boring me.

 

[Donald H]

You're like a one trick pony. Don't you think it's time to learn a new trick? You're kind of boring me.

The fish keeps taking the bait.
One fish cooking in the pan is worth more than two in a burning bush.

 

[ding]

The fish keeps taking the bait.
One fish cooking in the pan is worth more than two in a burning bush.

Said the fish that was cooked, eaten and in my belly.

 

[hadit]

There is no belief you are unworthy. Receiving the Eucharist is a statement/proclamation of belief that one is receiving the actual body and blood of Christ. No Sacrament/Belief is forced on anyone, no tricking anyone into receiving what they do not wish to receive--the actual body and blood of Christ; No deceit on the part of anyone. Everyone stands before the Lord both in faith and in truth as they know it.

Yet when my wife was invited to Mass by her Catholic friend, she was told she was not allowed to take communion with her friend because she was not Catholic.

 

[Meriweather]

Yet when my wife was invited to Mass by her Catholic friend, she was told she was not allowed to take communion with her friend because she was not Catholic.

Was she Catholic? Did she believe in Transubstantiation in the Eucharist? Did she believe in the Sacrament of Confession? Why was she at Mass? To hear scripture? Or, is there something greater in play at the Mass?

 

[hadit]

Was she Catholic? Did she believe in Transubstantiation in the Eucharist? Did she believe in the Sacrament of Confession? Why was she at Mass? To hear scripture? Or, is there something greater in play at the Mass?

It's splitting a very fine hair indeed to insist that someone can't take communion because they're not Catholic while simultaneously insisting that they are not unworthy.

 

[Meriweather]

It's splitting a very fine hair indeed to insist that someone can't take communion because they're not Catholic while simultaneously insisting that they are not unworthy.

It's not a fine hair for Catholics. But if you want to be insulting to Catholics because you feel you have been insulted, that's your call. I stand by what I've said. Receiving the Eucharist is a sacred declaration that one believes one is receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. You are insisting no such belief is necessary. If you are this way about something as sacred as faith, I can only imagine what it's like when you insist you can change to your own interpretation of the rules of a board game or team sports.

 

[hadit]

It's not a fine hair for Catholics. But if you want to be insulting to Catholics because you feel you have been insulted, that's your call. I stand by what I've said. Receiving the Eucharist is a sacred declaration that one believes one is receiving the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. You are insisting no such belief is necessary. If you are this way about something as sacred as faith, I can only imagine what it's like when you insist you can change to your own interpretation of the rules of a board game or team sports.

Do you hear yourself? You want to be taken as an understanding, all-loving compassionate human being who accepts all, then try to insult me with juvenile insults. I'm not insulting Catholics, I'm pointing out that you can keep your communion special just for you if you want to, but it's not what the rest of us are doing. We welcome all believers to celebrate with us.

 

[ding]

it's not what the rest of us are doing.

And that's YOUR choice. Don't impose YOUR choice on a faith that is no longer YOUR own.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm pointing out that you can keep your communion special just for you if you want to, but it's not what the rest of us are doing.

Harping on the same point ad nauseum is being respectful, understanding, and compassionate? The "rest" are not doing what the Catholic faith is doing. What is the difference between the Catholic Mass and Protestant services?

 

[Meriweather]

You want to be taken as an understanding, all-loving compassionate human being who accepts all

Out of curiosity, how did you come up with that preposterous thought? Stubborn people who stand their ground are not known for any of that--as my many brothers and sisters would be happy to testify. (My parents would be in the background nodding.)

 

[ding]

Out of curiosity, how did you come up with that preposterous thought?

Probably because that's how he sees himself.

I am no saint. Never claimed to be. I doubt you did either. It is better to see oneself as bad and working towards good rather than to see oneself as good and oblivious to the potential for becoming bad.

Free will allows me to chose to do moral or immoral things. It would be a mistake of epic proportion to rationalize I am being moral when I am not. Many a saint have pondered this.

Bottom line... God uses it all to prune us; to progress us; if we are paying attention.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

000 76 ecbttbaw …~… newborn baby girls come with 11/2 million eggs for future reproduction of the human species. Do those eggs belong to the newborn baby girls or to the government and/or church?


Meriweather said: …~… ...glorified bodies, a glorified presence, that has fed God's people down through the ages.

ding said: …~… I am no saint. Never claimed to be. I doubt you did either. It is better to see oneself as bad and working towards good rather than to see oneself as good and oblivious to the potential for becoming bad.

Free will allows me to chose to do moral or immoral things. It would be a mistake of epic proportion to rationalize I am being moral when I am not. Many a saint have pondered this.

Bottom line... God uses it all to prune us; to progress us; if we are paying attention-

whut ecbttbaw00076 …~… Why this Republican Party Government enforcement of what the both of you believe happened on a Cross 2000 years before my newest granddaughter was born? She was born into humanity 21 months ago

1.1 We believe the Bible is inspired, infallible, and the authoritative Word of God. It is the source of all we believe concerning truth and morality.

1.2 We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

1.3 We believe in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, His virgin birth, His sinless life, His miracles, His vicarious and atoning death through His shed blood, His bodily resurrection, His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and His personal return in power and glory.

1.4 We believe that for the salvation of lost and sinful people, regeneration by the Holy Spirit is essential.

1.5 We believe in the present ministry of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a godly life.

1.6 We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost–they that are saved unto the resurrection of life and they that are lost unto the resurrection of damnation.

1.7 We believe in the spiritual unity of believers in our Lord Jesus Christ.

1.8 We believe every person is created in the image of God and has inherent dignity, regardless of situation, brokenness, or sin.

1.9 We believe a person’s work and business, when informed and motivated by Christian Values, constitutes religious exercise and worship.

Section 2. Christian Ethical Convictions.

2.1 Human life, from the moment of conception to natural death, is sacred. Human life should be honored and protected at all stages of life.

2.2 Abortion is the intentional taking of human life or termination of pregnancy at any time from the moment of conception through birth. Abortion is contrary to Christian Values.

2.3 The use of human embryonic stem cells acquired from destruction of nascent human life and the use of fetal tissue acquired from abortion is contrary to Christian Values.

2.4 Suicide and assisted suicide are contrary to Christian Values.

2.5 Male and female are immutable realities defined by biological sex. Gender reassignment is contrary to Christian Values.

2.6 Marriage is a lifelong, permanent, and monogamous heterosexual union.

2.7 Unless a Member has exhausted all alternatives that do not create a greater transgression of Christian Values, and such Member has taken all reasonable steps to avoid all transgressions, a Member cannot—consistent with Christian Values—provide services for, healthcare coverage of, reimbursement for, or access to:

1. Abortions and abortion inducing drugs and devices.
2. Treatments derived from human embryonic stem cells acquired from destruction of a fertilized ovum, or from fetal tissue acquired from an abortion.
3. Assisted suicide.
4. Gender reassignment therapies and surgery.
5. Counseling affirming or encouraging any acts or behavior violating Christian Values, or
6. Any medical treatments, procedures, or medication contrary to Christian Values.

2.8 All people have the God-given right to exercise their faith freely, without interference from the government.

2.9 Christians are called to exercise their faith in every area of their lives — their homes, schools, ministries, businesses

dxxvi Apr 30, 2025

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Meriweather said: …~… ...glorified bodies, a glorified presence, that has fed God's people down through the ages.

whut I say …~… in Texas where Saint Ding lives a newborn baby girl,s 1 1/2 million eggs belong to the State of Texas because as you say “God,s” People run the state.

Do you approve of what “God‘s People” are doing in Texas?

 

[hadit]

Harping on the same point ad nauseum is being respectful, understanding, and compassionate?

I harp on it because it is still there, still real, and is not going away. Catholics do not share communion with non-Catholic believers, keeping it for themselves. They believe that they do it right, and only they CAN do it right.

The "rest" are not doing what the Catholic faith is doing. What is the difference between the Catholic Mass and Protestant services?

I say the Catholic communion is exclusionary because Catholic belief EXPRESSLY states that only a Catholic priest can pronounce the incantation that forces Christ to submit His body and blood once again for sacrifice, this belief not being grounded in Scripture. That gives him more power than Mary, more power than any angel, more power than anyone in the universe, because he alone in that moment can force Jesus to submit His body and blood to be sacrificed again. You do hold communion to be an actual sacrifice, correct?

I know this might sound brutal to you, but think over it carefully, not just dogmatically.

 

[hadit]

Out of curiosity, how did you come up with that preposterous thought? Stubborn people who stand their ground are not known for any of that--as my many brothers and sisters would be happy to testify. (My parents would be in the background nodding.)

Being stubborn and refusing to compromise beliefs is not always a bad thing, if those beliefs are true. Why do you say I'm insulting to Catholics? I'm not insulting Catholics, I'm questioning their beliefs as a fellow believer in Christ. I know you have your beliefs. Can they not be challenged?

I remember as a young person in the Conservative Mennonite Conference, some in the youth group wanted to discuss some of the things we were grappling with about Conservative Mennonite beliefs when one of them said, "Oh, we don't need to do that. It's already been decided for us". That's not going to fly with me. I believe every generation should put their beliefs up against the Word to validate and change them if need be.

 

[Meriweather]

I know this might sound brutal to you, but think over it carefully, not just dogmatically.

No, it doesn't sound brutal. It sounds like someone who lacks understanding. Let's see if I can help.

I harp on it because it is still there, still real, and is not going away. Catholics do not share communion with non-Catholic believers, keeping it for themselves.

Anyone can become Catholic, understand and believe what happens during the transubstantiation, and become Catholic. Anyone can walk into a Catholic Church, observe, but not partake in the Sacraments when they do not believe, or have no understanding of what they are proclaiming by being baptized, going to confession, partaking the Eucharist, being confirmed, by marrying, or training to become a priest.

I say the Catholic communion is exclusionary because Catholic belief EXPRESSLY states that only a Catholic priest can pronounce the incantation that forces Christ to submit His body and blood once again for sacrifice, this belief not being grounded in Scripture. That gives him more power than Mary, more power than any angel, more power than anyone in the universe, because he alone in that moment can force Jesus to submit His body and blood to be sacrificed again. You do hold communion to be an actual sacrifice, correct?

Think over what you are saying. Would you take your car to be serviced by someone who was trained in repairing cars? Would you go to someone who was not a doctor to have your appendix removed? Can you walk into any board member of any company and insist they accept your vote on matters you have not studied? Division of labor is well known throughout the labor. When the Jewish Temple is rebuilt, will you walk into the Temple and insisting on being the person who can slay the animal and offer a sacrifice to God?

Jesus established a special priesthood to perform certain tasks, an icon of himself, so-to-speak. Paul spoke of division of labor within the Christian faith. His analogy is that in the same way the body has many parts and serves different purposes/function, so do people of faith. (See 1 Corinthians 12:12-27.)