Can Capitalism and Democracy Coexist?

[dblack]

. I actually like liberals. Not many of those left though.

can you say what makes you like liberals or did it not even occur to you to have a reason for liking them?

I'll go with the first line of the wikipedia entry on liberalism: "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty"

Personally, I like liberals because they aren't conservative for the sake of the status quo. They believe we can, and should, strive to make things better rather than sit on our laurels.

 

[georgephillip]

If one equates capitalism with free markets, it can only coexist with democracy if state power is constitutionally prevented from interfering in our economic decisions.

Can we accomplish such a revolutionary change by "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth?

of course, if Republicans were in charge you'd have virtually a revolution. Just eliminating the corporate tax and making deficits illegal would be huge!

Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter."
Are you calling Dick a liberal?

Not a liberal. But he's as much a corporatist as any Democrat, yeah. I actually like liberals. Not many of those left though.

I'm beginning to suspect all elected Republicans AND Democrats favor deficits when they control the levers of government and pretend to oppose them whenever they don't.

 

[georgephillip]

If one equates capitalism with free markets, it can only coexist with democracy if state power is constitutionally prevented from interfering in our economic decisions.

Can we accomplish such a revolutionary change by "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth?

of course, if Republicans were in charge you'd have virtually a revolution. Just eliminating the corporate tax and making deficits illegal would be huge!

Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter."
Are you calling Dick a liberal?

if he said that and meant it he is a liberal on economics at least. Do you understand??

Are you calling Dick a liar?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If one equates capitalism with free markets, it can only coexist with democracy if state power is constitutionally prevented from interfering in our economic decisions.

Can we accomplish such a revolutionary change by "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth?

of course, if Republicans were in charge you'd have virtually a revolution. Just eliminating the corporate tax and making deficits illegal would be huge!

Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter."
Are you calling Dick a liberal?

if he said that and meant it he is a liberal on economics at least. Do you understand??

Are you calling Dick a liar?

too stupid!! Cheny is not an economist and is long out of office so it hardly matters what he said about economics as a politician years ago. Get it??

 

[georgephillip]

Can we accomplish such a revolutionary change by "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth?

of course, if Republicans were in charge you'd have virtually a revolution. Just eliminating the corporate tax and making deficits illegal would be huge!

Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter."
Are you calling Dick a liberal?

if he said that and meant it he is a liberal on economics at least. Do you understand??

Are you calling Dick a liar?

too stupid!! Cheny is not an economist and is long out of office so it hardly matters what he said about economics as a politician years ago. Get it??

Remember the Gipper?
Was he a liberal?
Deficits matter?
Stop WHINING

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

of course, if Republicans were in charge you'd have virtually a revolution. Just eliminating the corporate tax and making deficits illegal would be huge!

Dick Cheney said "deficits don't matter."
Are you calling Dick a liberal?

if he said that and meant it he is a liberal on economics at least. Do you understand??

Are you calling Dick a liar?

too stupid!! Cheny is not an economist and is long out of office so it hardly matters what he said about economics as a politician years ago. Get it??

Remember the Gipper?
Was he a liberal?
Deficits matter?
Stop WHINING

dear if you have any idea what point you are trying to make please tell us. Thanks

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I'm beginning to suspect all elected Republicans AND Democrats favor deficits when they control the levers of government and pretend to oppose them whenever they don't.

please don't be stupid! Republicans since Jefferson have tried 30 times to make deficits illegal and Democrats have killed every effort!

 

[georgephillip]

I'm beginning to suspect all elected Republicans AND Democrats favor deficits when they control the levers of government and pretend to oppose them whenever they don't.

please don't be stupid! Republicans since Jefferson have tried 30 times to make deficits illegal and Democrats have killed every effort!

Embrace your inner Cheney:
"Speaking of Republicans and ideological change, I agree with Jonathan Chait that the most plausible reposition would seem to be a return to the Bush/Cheney 'deficits don't matter' posture. That's sort of more moderate than the party's current positioning but doesn't really ask any interest group stakeholders to give up anything they care about."
GOP should ditch austerity Reagan proved deficits don t matter.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I'm beginning to suspect all elected Republicans AND Democrats favor deficits when they control the levers of government and pretend to oppose them whenever they don't.

please don't be stupid! Republicans since Jefferson have tried 30 times to make deficits illegal and Democrats have killed every effort!

Embrace your inner Cheney:
"Speaking of Republicans and ideological change, I agree with Jonathan Chait that the most plausible reposition would seem to be a return to the Bush/Cheney 'deficits don't matter' posture. That's sort of more moderate than the party's current positioning but doesn't really ask any interest group stakeholders to give up anything they care about."
GOP should ditch austerity Reagan proved deficits don t matter.

dear, deficits do matter especially when you have to pay them off and get nothing in return except a growing population of dependents; so best approach is to make them illegal as Republicans have tried to do 30 times.

Democrats resist because a BBA would, in effect, make them illegal too.

 

[georgephillip]

I'm beginning to suspect all elected Republicans AND Democrats favor deficits when they control the levers of government and pretend to oppose them whenever they don't.

please don't be stupid! Republicans since Jefferson have tried 30 times to make deficits illegal and Democrats have killed every effort!

Embrace your inner Cheney:
"Speaking of Republicans and ideological change, I agree with Jonathan Chait that the most plausible reposition would seem to be a return to the Bush/Cheney 'deficits don't matter' posture. That's sort of more moderate than the party's current positioning but doesn't really ask any interest group stakeholders to give up anything they care about."
GOP should ditch austerity Reagan proved deficits don t matter.

dear, deficits do matter especially when you have to pay them off and get nothing in return except a growing population of dependents; so best approach is to make them illegal as Republicans have tried to do 30 times.

Democrats resist because a BBA would, in effect, make them illegal too.

"Deficits Do Matter, But Not the Way You Think
Budget deficits and government spending are necessary to end today’s crisis."
Please, stop WHINING!

Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Budget deficits and government spending are necessary to end today’s crisis."

can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?

 

[georgephillip]

Budget deficits and government spending are necessary to end today’s crisis."

can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"EB:can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?"

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

 

[georgephillip]

"EB:can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?"

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

Can you grasp Modern Money Theory?
"There is an alternative view propounded by economists following what has been called 'Modern Money Theory', which emphasizes the difference between a currency-issuing sovereign government and currency users (households, firms, and nonsovereign governments) (See here and here).

"They insist that the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"EB:can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?"

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

Can you grasp Modern Money Theory?
"There is an alternative view propounded by economists following what has been called 'Modern Money Theory', which emphasizes the difference between a currency-issuing sovereign government and currency users (households, firms, and nonsovereign governments) (See here and here).

"They insist that the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

 

[georgephillip]

"EB:can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?"

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

Can you grasp Modern Money Theory?
"There is an alternative view propounded by economists following what has been called 'Modern Money Theory', which emphasizes the difference between a currency-issuing sovereign government and currency users (households, firms, and nonsovereign governments) (See here and here).

"They insist that the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

"...the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency.

"Such a government spends by crediting bank accounts or issuing paper currency. It can never run out of the 'keystrokes' it uses to credit bank accounts, and so long as it can find paper and ink, it can issue paper currency.

"These, we believe, are simple statements that should be completely noncontroversial.

"And this is not a policy proposal — it is an accurate description of the spending process used by all currency-issuing sovereign governments."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

"EB:can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?"

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

Can you grasp Modern Money Theory?
"There is an alternative view propounded by economists following what has been called 'Modern Money Theory', which emphasizes the difference between a currency-issuing sovereign government and currency users (households, firms, and nonsovereign governments) (See here and here).

"They insist that the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

"...the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency.

"Such a government spends by crediting bank accounts or issuing paper currency. It can never run out of the 'keystrokes' it uses to credit bank accounts, and so long as it can find paper and ink, it can issue paper currency.

"These, we believe, are simple statements that should be completely noncontroversial.

"And this is not a policy proposal — it is an accurate description of the spending process used by all currency-issuing sovereign governments."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if you think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your constant cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

 

[racewright]

"EB:can you explain or must you admit as a typical liberal you lack the IQ to defend what you assert?"

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

Can you grasp Modern Money Theory?
"There is an alternative view propounded by economists following what has been called 'Modern Money Theory', which emphasizes the difference between a currency-issuing sovereign government and currency users (households, firms, and nonsovereign governments) (See here and here).

"They insist that the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

"...the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency.

"Such a government spends by crediting bank accounts or issuing paper currency. It can never run out of the 'keystrokes' it uses to credit bank accounts, and so long as it can find paper and ink, it can issue paper currency.

"These, we believe, are simple statements that should be completely noncontroversial.

"And this is not a policy proposal — it is an accurate description of the spending process used by all currency-issuing sovereign governments."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if you think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your constant cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

Deficits do not matter to the politicians who make them THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT. Most think the other guy is going to pay for it, guess what you all pay for it even the very poor. Use your so called High IQ to figure that one out.

 

[georgephillip]

dear we can all post 10,000 links. Do you understand?? If you can't defend liberalism
why not think about why you are a liberal? Do you know that feelings are not enough?
Stupid people had a feeling that Hitler was right? You must learn to think on your own.

Can you grasp Modern Money Theory?
"There is an alternative view propounded by economists following what has been called 'Modern Money Theory', which emphasizes the difference between a currency-issuing sovereign government and currency users (households, firms, and nonsovereign governments) (See here and here).

"They insist that the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

"...the notion of 'fiscal sustainability' or 'solvency' is not applicable to a sovereign government — which cannot be forced into involuntary default on debts denominated in its own currency.

"Such a government spends by crediting bank accounts or issuing paper currency. It can never run out of the 'keystrokes' it uses to credit bank accounts, and so long as it can find paper and ink, it can issue paper currency.

"These, we believe, are simple statements that should be completely noncontroversial.

"And this is not a policy proposal — it is an accurate description of the spending process used by all currency-issuing sovereign governments."
Deficits Do Matter But Not the Way You Think Roosevelt Institute

dear, if you think deficits don't matter please say why or admit with your constant cut and pastes that you lack the IQ to support what you say.

Deficits do not matter to the politicians who make them THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR IT. Most think the other guy is going to pay for it, guess what you all pay for it even the very poor. Use your so called High IQ to figure that one out.

Possibly, the biggest part of the problem resides with the high interest rates private banks charge to loan money to government?

Government could bypass the private bankers and create its own money directly:

"The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers.

"By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest.

"Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. -Abraham Lincoln"

Famous Quotations on Banking

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Government could bypass the private bankers and create its own money directly:

great great great liberal idea, and while we're at it why not let each household create its own money too. That way everyone could be rich, and there would be no more poverty!!

See why we have to be positive that liberalism is based in pure Nazi-like ignorance?