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[eagle1462010]

If MacArthur had fought the Korean War with an objective of establishing the 38th parallel, the US would have only suffered a few thousand deaths.

Instead, he chose to invade the North and provoke China to enter the war and we lost almost 40,000 soldiers.

Why the military should not be in charge of wars

Destroying the enemy and winning the War was his strategy. It was correct to finish off North Korea.

Once China entered the War he was denied the ability to cut them off and Win it. Without supplies they couldnt last.

As it is...china lost 400,000 troops

 

[rightwinger]

Destroying the enemy and winning the War was his strategy. It was correct to finish off North Korea.

Once China entered the War he was denied the ability to cut them off and Win it. Without supplies they couldnt last.

As it is...china lost 400,000 troops

MacArthurs decision to ignore the threat of China entering the war ended up costing 40,000 US lives

• Plan
  MacArthur's plan included dropping atomic bombs on enemy air bases and depots, and spreading radioactive cobalt behind amphibious forces. He believed this would isolate North Korea and prevent a land invasion for at least 60 years.
  
  
• Truman's response
  President Harry Truman opposed MacArthur's plan for several reasons, including:
  • The US had too few nuclear bombs
    
    
  • The mountainous terrain would make them ineffective
    
    
  • World opinion would not support such a move
    
    
  • Truman was concerned about the Chinese bombing US airfields and aircraft carriers
    
    
  • Truman was concerned about involving the US in a land war in Asia
    

 

[Deadstick]

China was the main suppoeter not us.

That won't wash, yes China were involved doesn't change the fat the US and the UK supported the maniac PolPot.

 

[Deadstick]

If MacArthur had fought the Korean War with an objective of establishing the 38th parallel, the US would have only suffered a few thousand deaths.

Instead, he chose to invade the North and provoke China to enter the war and we lost almost 40,000 soldiers.

Why the military should not be in charge of wars

Yes many froze to death in their retreat anyone who thought they could take on the Chinese in their own backyard was crazy.

 

[Deadstick]

Once again Eagle is laughing that means he doesn't have an answer to facts, and the facts are the US and UK supported Pol Pot.

 

[Mac-7]

Jane Fonda definitely spoke out against American soldiers (and American POWs) in viet nam.

I don't remember her exact words...but they outraged me at the time...and they still do.

That and the picture

She was one stupid bitch

 

[longly]

That won't wash, yes China were involved doesn't change the fat the US and the UK supported the maniac PolPot.

The Khmer Rouge formed a coalition with a non-communist faction to fight the invading Vietnamese; the US supported the non-communist faction, and China supported the Communist Khmer Rouge. Some our weapons may reach the Khmer Rouge, but the object was to stop the Soviets from taking Cambodia; the Vietnamese were Soviet puppets.

And even if we had supported the murderers Khmer Communist that wouldn't have been the first time. Do you remember in World War Two, we supported the much more murderous Stalin because we saw Nazi Germany as a greater threat; the same was true with Vietnam and Cambodia.

 

[d0gbreath]

Only a moron sees it in black & white terms. The enemy was evil. The war could have been won, but politicians prohibited our Armed Forces from winning it.

The problem was how can you kill what you can't find?

 

[Deadstick]

The Khmer Rouge formed a coalition with a non-communist faction to fight the invading Vietnamese; the US supported the non-communist faction, and China supported the Communist Khmer Rouge. Some our weapons may reach the Khmer Rouge, but the object was to stop the Soviets from taking Cambodia; the Vietnamese were Soviet puppets.

And even if we had supported the murderers Khmer Communist that wouldn't have been the first time. Do you remember in World War Two, we supported the much more murderous Stalin because we saw Nazi Germany as a greater threat; the same was true with Vietnam and Cambodia.

Nice try but no Cigar, Vietnam liberated Cambodia, if any Western Country had they would have gone down in History as heroes, just shows what filth Western politicians are.

 

[Picaro]

The bigger question is, if we had invaded the North, would it have provoked Russia and China to enter the war?
Invading North Korea provoked China to enter the Korean War and resulted in 50,000 dead

Viet Nam was a Russian puppet state already; Russian pilots flew those Migs. The REd Chinese also provided aid; there would have been no North Viet Nam without Russians and China.

North Korea was a Russian creation. Stalin convinced Mao to get involved, then got cold feet and bailed, then made Mao pay for his military gear up front. lol

You really have zero clue, much less a point here. We had allies that needed to know we would stand up for them. I realize you think that's a war crime when the U.S. does it and think it's wonderful when the commies start these wars, but you're just full of shit, is all. Viet Nam sits astride one of the most active shipping and trade routes on the planet. Means nothing to Burb Brats, everything is invisible to them, because others are doing all the work for them while they sit around whining about everything that doesn't suit them.

We were in a global strategic proxy war. There was a lot more to it than just NV and Korea at stake; there was also Indonesia, the ME, and Africa. A full on invasion would have tied down a lot more resources.

As for '50,000 dead', Americans didn't really care about that as we know from the yearly slaughter in our own highways, which far exceed the VN casualties by multiples over the same time frame. You don't care either, it;s just another gimmick for you and the other Burb Brats..

 

[Picaro]

That was Cambodia not Vietnam
Vietnam turning Communist did not result in mass slaughter

Sure it did, and they also created 're-education camps' and made slaves out of millions. Again you don't know squat, just parroting left wing media rubbish. They had to break away from China in order to get where they are now.

 

[Picaro]

CICs lost the War by NOT DECLARING WAR. It put a leash on what Generals could do and forced them to fight it as a police action.

Congress didn't, and LBJ would have been impeached if he had ignored the Right and invaded NV. Republicans are as much to blame. It was a SEATO operation, not just a U.S. one to boot.

A non declared War allowed senior military officers and NCOs to leave like we were in Peacetime. Thus losing experienced vets on the battlefield.

A non-declared war meant a lot of corporations could get rich without a war profits tax.

And, it was the right wingers, the Watergate Babies, that dropped Viet Nam and handed it over to the commies, not Jane Fonda.

 

[Mushroom]

Jane Fonda definitely spoke out against American soldiers (and American POWs) in viet nam.

I don't remember her exact words...but they outraged me at the time...and they still do.

The denial that the POWs in Vietnam were tortured has aged like fine milk.

 

[Mushroom]

Vietnam turning Communist did not result in mass slaughter

Yeah, if you think the deaths of around one million people is not "mass slaughter", you may be right.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Give it a rest

Fuck that. My Father, two Uncles and maternal Grandfather served in Vietnam. That shit will never rest.

 

[Picaro]

We began withdrawing in 1969 and were mostly out of Viet Nam by end of 1972.

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Here are the number of US troops in Vietnam by year:

• 1960: 900
• 1961: 3,200
• 1962: 11,300
• 1963: 16,300
• 1964: 23,300
• 1965: 184,300
• 1966: 385,300
• • 1967: 485,600
  • 1968: 536,100
  • 1969: 475,200
  • 1970: 334,600
  • 1971: 156,800
  • 1972: 24,200

Both 'sides' still spreading bullshit fictions. In the end, the containment policy was a U.S. victory, no matter what the media babbles or the whiners say. No way to occupy Red China then, or now either, and we were busy around the globe, not just in Viet Nam at the time.

Jane Fonda was just another fashion victim, and of no importance..

 

[Mac-7]

What convinced you that a tiny nation on the other side of the globe where they got shit done with water buffalos was an existential threat to America?

The threat was to Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, ect

 

[Picaro]

The threat was to Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, ect

And giving the Soviets a client state and large naval base astride the trade routes in South Asia, the biggest threat.. They would have gone after the rest from a solid base in VN. It's what Russians have done since Peter The Great, regardless of what ideology was trendy with them at the moment. They're still the same; leopards never change their spots.

 

[Deadstick]

Viet Nam was a Russian puppet state already; Russian pilots flew those Migs. The REd Chinese also provided aid; there would have been no North Viet Nam without Russians and China.

North Korea was a Russian creation. Stalin convinced Mao to get involved, then got cold feet and bailed, then made Mao pay for his military gear up front. lol

You really have zero clue, much less a point here. We had allies that needed to know we would stand up for them. I realize you think that's a war crime when the U.S. does it and think it's wonderful when the commies start these wars, but you're just full of shit, is all. Viet Nam sits astride one of the most active shipping and trade routes on the planet. Means nothing to Burb Brats, everything is invisible to them, because others are doing all the work for them while they sit around whining about everything that doesn't suit them.

We were in a global strategic proxy war. There was a lot more to it than just NV and Korea at stake; there was also Indonesia, the ME, and Africa. A full on invasion would have tied down a lot more resources.

As for '50,000 dead', Americans didn't really care about that as we know from the yearly slaughter in our own highways, which far exceed the VN casualties by multiples over the same time frame. You don't care either, it;s just another gimmick for you and the other Burb Brats..

That pile of tripe shows just how ignorant and deluded you are, the Vietnam war was always more about National liberation than some global proxy war that exists in your head, they fought French Colonialism they fought the Japs then the US Imperialists, do you really think a Vietnamese peasant joined the fight against invaders because he was a Russian puppet? you are bonkers.

 

[Deadstick]

Yeah, if you think the deaths of around one million people is not "mass slaughter", you may be right.

Where did that come from out of your arse? people were told once the NVA and NLF arrived in Saigon there would be a blood bath, never happened the forces were disciplined no looting no executions no bloodbath, so you can shove your fake news up your arse.