Calling all boomers

[longly]

I write this in response to several posters: It is estimated that communist murdered or kills as many as 100 million people worldwide. The worst murders were the Russians, the Chinese, and the Cambodian Communist with Vietnam and Cuba as minor offenders; to me, it doesn't matter whether you murder millions or 10s of thousands or thousands what is the difference? The Vietcong killed 1000s of South Vietnamese government officials and Their families in villages and towns. The famous photo of a man being executed on the street during the Tet Offensive was one of those individuals; he had just killed the family of a government official. There are still people in this country on the left who admire communism even though it's been one of the most murderous forms of government. You can't claim be a Democrat and support communist no more than you could if you supported Nazis. You can only support communism if you are a communist in your heart.

 

[longly]

Only by the lunatic War pigs.

Jane Fonda made propaganda for the enemy during a time of war if that is not treason then no one can be a traitor. How can you claim that Trump was a traitor just for talking with Putin; We were not at war with Putin at the time. And the left considers the Confederates traitors, but they had renounced their citizenship when they formed the Confederacy. Only a citizen can commit treason, and the Confederates were not citizens, but Jane Fonda was. If she didn't want to be a traitor all she had to do was renounce her citizenship and then she could do and say whatever she wished.

 

[Picaro]

Fonda's anti-war road shows were very popular with soldiers at the time, especially those held in Japan. The ferries from Korea were jammed with soldiers. Soldiers returning from Nam were in fact well received by hippies and anti-war types, hung out with them. Jimi Hendrix didn't go to Nam but he was 101st Airborne during the Kennedy admin. The anti-war movement was full of vets who served in Nam.

Those Flower Children helped lose the War.

They had a lot of help from Generals and McNamara constantly lying to their CiC's and the media that came back and bit them in the ass.

 

[Picaro]

Jane Fonda made propaganda for the enemy during a time of war if that is not treason then no one can be a traitor. How can you claim that Trump was a traitor just for talking with Putin; We were not at war with Putin at the time. And the left considers the Confederates traitors, but they had renounced their citizenship when they formed the Confederacy. Only a citizen can commit treason, and the Confederates were not citizens, but Jane Fonda was. If she didn't want to be a traitor all she had to do was renounce her citizenship and then she could do and say whatever she wished.

False. Congress did not declare war on North Viet Nam, hence legally no treason; my objection the war was that Congress should have made a declaration before they could draft and send troops in. A lot of CO's served for the same reasons; they weren't pacifists but objected to war not being officially declared. This failure allowed all kinds of corruption to run rampant.

 

[Picaro]

TET was a COMPLETE FAILURE. Yet it was protrayed as a loss.

Fact. That pretty much ended the VC as a force in the South.

 

[Picaro]

Those leftist hippies were right about the war and were patriots

Those who spread lies and misinformation to extend the war were the Traitors

Rubbish. I see you still kept all your old copies of Pravda.

 

[the watcher]

Fonda's anti-war road shows were very popular with soldiers at the time, especially those held in Japan. The ferries from Korea were jammed with soldiers. Soldiers returning from Nam were in fact well received by hippies and anti-war types, hung out with them. Jimi Hendrix didn't go to Nam but he was 101st Airborne during the Kennedy admin. The anti-war movement was full of vets who served in Nam.

We have been conditioned to equate the war with the warriors, and also the flag to the point just waving the flag is supposed to make you fall in line. You can support your troops and still question the decisions made for you, it takes a little effort but it can be done. Pretty much exactly what the Nazis did with their firelight marches and propaganda and it worked very well. It should be the duty of everyone to consider going to war, not just the media announcing it. Pick your battles and then send in the Marines, not pick the Marines and send them where it suits the corporatocracy. We have it ass backwards.

 

[Picaro]

We have been conditioned to equate the war with the warriors, and also the flag to the point just waving the flag is supposed to make you fall in line. You can support your troops and still question the decisions made for you, it takes a little effort but it can be done. Pretty much exactly what the Nazis did with their firelight marches and propaganda and it worked very well. It should be the duty of everyone to consider going to war, not just the media announcing it. Pick your battles and then send in the Marines, not pick the Marines and send them where it suits the corporatocracy. We have it ass backwards.

Viet Nam led directly to bankrupting the Soviet Union, wrecking its financing of African and South Am insurgencies, and along with the Israeli defeat of its Arab allies' invasion destroyed its credibility as an ally with all kinds of vermin and thugs. After 1973 the Soviets were on life support from the West; it couldn't even feed itself despite sitting on the greatest acreage of wheat and other crops on the planet.

I get why you lefties have to whine and make out the U.S. as the only bad guy on Earth, given all your abject failures and reliance on massive murder campaigns against your own people, but you could try making up less ridiculous bullshit at least.

AS for 60,000 dead, just look up how many Americans were killed every year by asshole 'libertarians' exercising their rights to drive around drunk on their asses or at high speeds every year from the 1950's through 1975 when we abandoned the South to commie vermin. The highways were slaughter houses. Drunks are still killing around 14,000 a year today.

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Here are the number of motor vehicle fatalities in the United States by year in the 1960s:

Years leading up to our escalation in 1965:

• 1960: 36,399 deaths
• 1961: 36,285 deaths
• 1962: 38,980 deaths
• 1963: 41,723 deaths

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[the watcher]

Viet Nam led directly to bankrupting the Soviet Union, wrecking its financing of African and South Am insurgencies, and along with the Israeli defeat of its Arab allies' invasion destroyed its credibility as an ally with all kinds of vermin and thugs. After 1973 the Soviets were on life support from the West; it couldn't even feed itself despite sitting on the greatest acreage of wheat and other crops on the planet.

You consider that a victory of some kind? Destroying economies, wrecking nations is good? I have news for you the vendetta against communism has us 50 trillion in debt too, and the world still hates us.

 

[Picaro]

You consider that a victory of some kind? Destroying economies, wrecking nations is good? I have news for you the vendetta against communism has us 50 trillion in debt too, and the world still hates us.

I got news for you: You're full of shit an will never have enough strawmen to cover your bullshit claims. And yes, it was a victory; containment worked and without a nuclear war, which sucks for you sniveling little bedwetters.

 

[eagle1462010]

Fonda's anti-war road shows were very popular with soldiers at the time, especially those held in Japan. The ferries from Korea were jammed with soldiers. Soldiers returning from Nam were in fact well received by hippies and anti-war types, hung out with them. Jimi Hendrix didn't go to Nam but he was 101st Airborne during the Kennedy admin. The anti-war movement was full of vets who served in Nam.



They had a lot of help from Generals and McNamara constantly lying to their CiC's and the media that came back and bit them in the ass.

CICs lost the War by NOT DECLARING WAR. It put a leash on what Generals could do and forced them to fight it as a police action.

Secondly soldiers knew do a year and leave and Not til complete victory.

We should have invaded rhe North and crushed their supply lines, Not fought on their terms in the jungle.

They WON because they used propoganda back home for the public to demand politicians leave Vietnam.

The Jane Fondas helped them win. As I said the TET Offensive was a massive defeat of the VC.

Back home it was portrayed as OUR DEFEAT. Our forces slaughtered the VC during TET.

 

[eagle1462010]

You consider that a victory of some kind? Destroying economies, wrecking nations is good? I have news for you the vendetta against communism has us 50 trillion in debt too, and the world still hates us.

It helped lead to the fall of the USSR.

That was a GREAT THING. South Korea exists today because of it. Had MacAuthor been allowed to fight it as a War without asking permission from DC for every move..

THERE WOULD BE NO NORTH KOREA TODAY

 

[the watcher]

CICs lost the War by NOT DECLARING WAR. It put a leash on what Generals could do and forced them to fight it as a police action.

I think killing 2 million enemy troops over a 10 year period pretty much is declaring war. The troops had pretty much everything they needed, and more, and did expand it to the north, into other neutral countries. What would you suggest be the reason given by Congress to declare a war, then or now? National interest? That can cover a lot of ground. Should the people that fight it, fund it, and will be impacted it be meaningfully involved in the decision instead of just scheduling it? Should we reinstate the draft? Is the DoD and Congress accountable to the people? If this is going to be our business model we need to do it right. Interpretation: Declare War Clause | Constitution Center

 

[eagle1462010]

I think killing 2 million enemy troops over a 10 year period pretty much is declaring war. The troops had pretty much everything they needed, and more, and did expand it to the north, into other neutral countries. What would you suggest be the reason given by Congress to declare a war, then or now? National interest? That can cover a lot of ground. Should the people that fight it, fund it, and will be impacted it be meaningfully involved in the decision instead of just scheduling it? Should we reinstate the draft? Is the DoD and Congress accountable to the people? If this is going to be our business model we need to do it right. Interpretation: Declare War Clause | Constitution Center

A non declared War allowed senior military officers and NCOs to leave like we were in Peacetime. Thus losing experienced vets on the battlefield.

2 it led to our military just counting the days to leave without regard to winning.


3rd we might have went into the North and Laos but NOT IN FORCE. Thus alliowing them to keep their supply lines open.

Riddle me this. Had we done a Full Scale Invasion of the North could they have stopped us???

 

[the watcher]

Riddle me this. Had we done a Full Scale Invasion of the North could they have stopped us???

We carpet bombed the hell out of the North
Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia—double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II.
Maybe ground troops might have helped, we'll never know. The real question unanswered is what were we trying to accomplish? It started out as stopping communism and ended up as just another quagmire with no way out, and the time to examine our motives now is here,not after we come under attack for real. Then we had a choice, we may not be so lucky this time.

 

[eagle1462010]

We carpet bombed the hell out of the North
Between 1965 and 1975, the United States and its allies dropped more than 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia—double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during World War II.
Maybe ground troops might have helped, we'll never know. The real question unanswered is what were we trying to accomplish? It started out as stopping communism and ended up as just another quagmire with no way out, and the time to examine our motives now is here,not after we come under attack for real. Then we had a choice, we may not be so lucky this time.

Bombing alone will NOT SEIZE TERRITORY.

YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

COULD THEY HAVE STOPPED A FULL INVASION OF THE NORTH?

 

[rightwinger]

Rubbish. I see you still kept all your old copies of Pravda.

History has proven the Hippies right……It was a senseless war and the Pentagon lied.

We were told lies about the Domino Theory, mass executions, Vietnamese suffering under Communist rule.

After 50 years, none of it happened. Vietnam has prospered.

We killed 2 million Vietnamese to keep them from being Communist

 

[eagle1462010]

History has proven the Hippies right……It was a senseless war and the Pentagon lied.

We were told lies about the Domino Theory, mass executions, Vietnamese suffering under Communist rule.

After 50 years, none of it happened. Vietnam has prospered.

We killed 2 million Vietnamese to keep them from being Communist

Remembering the Killing Fields — National Cambodian Heritage Museum and Killing Fields Memorial

Commies spaughtered more in the region after we left

 

[rightwinger]

Bombing alone will NOT SEIZE TERRITORY.

YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

COULD THEY HAVE STOPPED A FULL INVASION OF THE NORTH?

The bigger question is, if we had invaded the North, would it have provoked Russia and China to enter the war?
Invading North Korea provoked China to enter the Korean War and resulted in 50,000 dead

 

[rightwinger]

Remembering the Killing Fields — National Cambodian Heritage Museum and Killing Fields Memorial

Commies spaughtered more in the region after we left

That was Cambodia not Vietnam
Vietnam turning Communist did not result in mass slaughter