Cal Thomas: Make rioters pay Restitution for damage in Ferguson (duh!)

[Conservative65]

Those longstanding grievances aren't against the businesses they're burning. Like I said, if those grievances are with the police as in this case, why aren't they trying to burn the police station? I know why and I bet you do, too.

I've told you how I'd handle their uncontrolled rage. I don't give a shit why they are doing just that they are and how they need to be dealt with.

^ you may have answered your own question ^

if you don't care SPECIFICALLY what is causing the rage,
that's like them not caring SPECIFICALLY who their grievance is with.

They collectively protest because they see the police as collective punishing all blacks for the actions of a few.
Then they go do the EXACT same thing and punish all Ferguson, or punish all cops for the actions of a few.

This vicious cycle repeats until people address cases one on one and quit punishing and making statements collectively.

I'm yet to here an answer from those supporting the protests as to why they don't target the reason behind why they protest. It's hard to grasp why protesting police action means you burn the local liquor store.

I don't have to care about what causes it. All I need to know is that they target unassociated things.

If they protest the police and police actions, woulnd't it make sense for them to target the police station. You seem to justify burning buildings of businesses totally unrelated to why they protests.

The cycle repeats itself because people like you make excuses for the protestors. As a business owner, I might not stop future protests but I can stop the ones doing it now at my business having a chance to do it again. Those thinking about doing it in the future will either learn based on not wanting to get what the others got or they will be the lesson others can use even futher in the future.

 

[emilynghiem]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

 

[Conservative65]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

Exactly. That way future potential looters will either learn or be a lesson for the ones after that. For those that learn, we don't have to worry about them. For those that don't, we are better off without them.

 

[Conservative65]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

Many times criminal issues can't be detected until they happen.

 

[mudwhistle]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

Good luck.

 

[emilynghiem]

Those longstanding grievances aren't against the businesses they're burning. Like I said, if those grievances are with the police as in this case, why aren't they trying to burn the police station? I know why and I bet you do, too.

I've told you how I'd handle their uncontrolled rage. I don't give a shit why they are doing just that they are and how they need to be dealt with.

^ you may have answered your own question ^

if you don't care SPECIFICALLY what is causing the rage,
that's like them not caring SPECIFICALLY who their grievance is with.

They collectively protest because they see the police as collective punishing all blacks for the actions of a few.
Then they go do the EXACT same thing and punish all Ferguson, or punish all cops for the actions of a few.

This vicious cycle repeats until people address cases one on one and quit punishing and making statements collectively.

I'm yet to here an answer from those supporting the protests as to why they don't target the reason behind why they protest. It's hard to grasp why protesting police action means you burn the local liquor store.

I don't have to care about what causes it. All I need to know is that they target unassociated things.

If they protest the police and police actions, woulnd't it make sense for them to target the police station. You seem to justify burning buildings of businesses totally unrelated to why they protests.

The cycle repeats itself because people like you make excuses for the protestors. As a business owner, I might not stop future protests but I can stop the ones doing it now at my business having a chance to do it again. Those thinking about doing it in the future will either learn based on not wanting to get what the others got or they will be the lesson others can use even futher in the future.

My understanding is that the successful mediation with police happen in person behind the scenes.
all the successful peacemaking int he Middle East is done in private behind the scenes.

We only see the failed process, protest and violence in the media. We don't see successful negotiations
and how that works.

So all people know to do is protest to get into the media.
We have to stop rewarding this kind of behavior.

Or else all the bullies keep thinking this public pressure through the media
is the only way to say NO and force something to change.

We don't see examples of meeting directly and petitioning to change policy.

With our city governments like in Houston, they don't change unless they are SUED.
so this is the bad example we set.
Just asking to correct problems doesn't get responses from govt.

So if people cannot sue like big corporations threaten to
in order to get what they want from courts and govt,
then people form huge groups to protest in other ways.

We need to agree to redress grievances civilly and this wont' keep happening.

But I live in a district that has gone for years, constantly violated by city abuses,
and because they don't get violent, nobody hears the protests or takes our petitions seriously.

If we don't listen to grievances unless someone sues and wins, or gets shot and starts a riot,
then guess what people resort to....

 

[emilynghiem]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

Many times criminal issues can't be detected until they happen.

I disagree. I find the opposite.
Most people shows signs in advance. And it's very very few cases, similar to cancer, that show no signs at all. Very few.

The REAL problem is the issue of unforgiveness, fear, anger
that causes projection onto others,
is also found in most people who aren't criminal.

so the solution is to raise the level and standards of resolving conflicts
so that even normal people also work out grievances, anger and conflicts.

And then the people who are not able to do so stand out.

So if all city and district schools and civic organizations
offered conflict resolution assistance, then you can help all people
while screening out the abuse cases where one party cannot resolve their problems.

You can find which people just need help and aren't criminal.
And you can find which people REALLY have criminal issues and addictive
or destructive attitudes that are getting into trouble. Nip it in the bud. don't wait for crimes to happen. but offer this voluntarily, because it addresses levels that aren't crimes yet.

 

[mudwhistle]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

Many times criminal issues can't be detected until they happen.

I disagree. I find the opposite.
Most people shows signs in advance. And it's very very few cases, similar to cancer, that show no signs at all. Very few.

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

 

[Conservative65]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

Many times criminal issues can't be detected until they happen.

I disagree. I find the opposite.
Most people shows signs in advance. And it's very very few cases, similar to cancer, that show no signs at all. Very few.

The REAL problem is the issue of unforgiveness, fear, anger
that causes projection onto others,
is also found in most people who aren't criminal.

so the solution is to raise the level and standards of resolving conflicts
so that even normal people also work out grievances, anger and conflicts.

And then the people who are not able to do so stand out.

So if all city and district schools and civic organizations
offered conflict resolution assistance, then you can help all people
while screening out the abuse cases where one party cannot resolve their problems.

You can find which people just need help and aren't criminal.
And you can find which people REALLY have criminal issues and addictive
or destructive attitudes that are getting into trouble. Nip it in the bud. don't wait for crimes to happen. but offer this voluntarily, because it addresses levels that aren't crimes yet.

If someone tries to steal from me or burn down something I've worked to build, I'll resolve it by putting them out of their misery.

Who the hell do you propose pay for all those feel good, bleeding heart programs? If you say taxpayers, forget it. If you are personally willing to do it, by all means, it's your money.

 

[emilynghiem]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Some diseases and cancer cases can't be detected in advance.
so it won't be perfect. But most cases have signs and people's
attitudes follow patterns. Once I knew what to look for, I could see
this repeating in any family that has patterns passed down from parents to kids.
There are prison rehab programs that work on this, that identify and break
that cycle between parents and kids instead of letting it repeat another generation.
Whole therapies are based on this concept.

it's not that hard to see but harder to do. we are so caught up
in our own denial and projection of blame, we can't see if other people
really have problems if we are too busy with our own.

But if everyone were busy SOLVING problems
then the people with no interest in this would stand out.

 

[Conservative65]

Change back to shooting looters on sight.

Problem solved.

No, after that was done in LA with the Rodney King riots.
That didn't stop the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman incident and the protests over that.
And it didn't prevent this confrontation in Ferguson and all the protests over that.

The whole point is to prevent the crime in the bloody first place.

If you keep waiting until after crime occurs, you get caught up in the legal issues afterwards.

The only way to prevent that, is to stop the crimes before they happen.
At the point that criminal issues can first be detected and prevented.

Many times criminal issues can't be detected until they happen.

I disagree. I find the opposite.
Most people shows signs in advance. And it's very very few cases, similar to cancer, that show no signs at all. Very few.

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

Either she's never been a victim of such things or she's just another bleeding heart that looks for excuses rather than real solutions to the problem. Her suggestions won't do anything but cost taxpayers where my solution will keep taxpayers from having house, feed, and clothe them.

 

[Conservative65]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Again, who pays for all this evaluation?

 

[emilynghiem]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Again, who pays for all this evaluation?

1. the people I know who are best at it don't charge any money
that's the spiritual method that is fast and free (some resources
are posted at http://www.spiritual-heaing.us)

For what it takes to develop the scientific assessment
why not invest in research of THAT instead of research marijuana? or stem cell
research not everyone wants to fund? why not fund criminal disease detection and treatment using spiritual methods that have been shown to work.

millions of dollars are going to research nonsense when it could pay for solutions

2. if you want to implement it for everyone,
it's sure better than what we are wasting billions on
in the current mental health and prison systems.
3. I would look into VA centers, any facility that can be revamped
to provide free to low cost health care and try to implement it there.
I would recommend training people in services that are going to reduce crime,
invest restitution owed for past crimes into paying for internships in jobs
that are going to break the cycles of abuse in each neighborhood affected.

And if there is a time gap between paying back restitution,
and setting up jobs and services in crime prevention,
then I would suggest issuing CREDITS against the costs of crime and corruption owed to taxpayers,
use the CREDIT (like federal reserve notes) to finance the jobs and reform
in each district affected and participating,
and then hold the Wrongdoers responsible for paying the costs of their crimes back to the communities.

I would QUIT hiring and licensing lawyers to HIDE what criminals and corporations do wrong at public expense,
and start HIRING lawyers and law school teams to negotiate settlement agreements
to collect restitution back to taxpayers directly from the wrongdoers if they want to keep their citizenship.
and pay for the costs of corrections, while the lawyers get commission.

We could create jobs for Vets to clean up each district, and each
govt institution that is wasting money. starting with the VA and also the prisons.
easily pay for preventative screening and health care with the billions wasted on that..

 

[mudwhistle]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Some diseases and cancer cases can't be detected in advance.
so it won't be perfect. But most cases have signs and people's
attitudes follow patterns. Once I knew what to look for, I could see
this repeating in any family that has patterns passed down from parents to kids.
There are prison rehab programs that work on this, that identify and break
that cycle between parents and kids instead of letting it repeat another generation.
Whole therapies are based on this concept.

it's not that hard to see but harder to do. we are so caught up
in our own denial and projection of blame, we can't see if other people
really have problems if we are too busy with our own.

But if everyone were busy SOLVING problems
then the people with no interest in this would stand out.

Uh, I was talking about your random criminal, not forced abortions by a boyfriend.

 

[emilynghiem]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Some diseases and cancer cases can't be detected in advance.
so it won't be perfect. But most cases have signs and people's
attitudes follow patterns. Once I knew what to look for, I could see
this repeating in any family that has patterns passed down from parents to kids.
There are prison rehab programs that work on this, that identify and break
that cycle between parents and kids instead of letting it repeat another generation.
Whole therapies are based on this concept.

it's not that hard to see but harder to do. we are so caught up
in our own denial and projection of blame, we can't see if other people
really have problems if we are too busy with our own.

But if everyone were busy SOLVING problems
then the people with no interest in this would stand out.

Uh, I was talking about your random criminal, not rape by a boyfriend.

And any criminal is born of a man and a woman
and has family psychology that follows a pattern, inherited by family history.

This applies to all people, whether someone we know or someone we don't.

mudwhistle I guess I could dig up links to reports of WHOLE CITIES
that have gotten rid of crime by using spiritual healing to unite the
community and weed out anything negative that opens the door to crime.

Whole cities have achieved this.
we don't do this in America because people have
freedom and are using it to reject Christianity instead of
researching and using spiritual healing to cure diseases
including mental and criminal illness.

China may discover this first, and implement it as policy
before American's do who rely on science to prove it first.

Note: the city I heard about doing this had regular meetings for community prayers
in some outdoor arena like a stadium? but it helps boost the unity and weed out
drugs, prostitution, and crime.

here is one report I found about a town in Africa, but this may be embellished:
The power of prayer over witchcraft

I do believe that witchcraft and occult twists energy and thoughts around to be very negative and start people accusing and abusing each other. I've had friends suffer for years until they agreed to drop the connections with dark forces and magic that attracted harmful energy and events. One friend had people dying all around him. it's very negative energy.

David Berkowitz tries to warn people about this in his testimony over occult influences
that manifested in criminal obsessions that drove him to kill people, which he didn't understand
until he was freed of these influences:
David Berkowitz s former Son of Sam Testimony Translations

So people like him can reach out and encourage others to come forward and get help like they did, expect BEFORE it's too late.

 

[Gracie]

Ferguson unrest Make protesters pay for riot damage Fox News

I agree.

Free speech isn't free. If you cause damage while doing it, why should law abiding taxpayers pay your bill?

And if the rioters won't pay,
let's make a deal to fund Obama's Amnesty proposal.

Any illegal immigrants willing to pay back all their costs AND chip in the labor or money to rebuild in Ferguson can trade citizenship with anyone convicted of that damage who refuses to work and pay restitution. Whoever agrees to pay gets to stay; whoever refuses faces deportation.

(And any other immigrants not covered which Obama want to fund, let's sue the Democrat Party to pay for that policy since that's who got this guy elected. The Catholics pay for their own programs under their Pope and Church. Let the Democrats pay for their own health care and immigration policies if that's what they believe.)

What is the purpose of rebuilding Ferguson? They will just rob, push around, destroy it the next time they get pissed off.

 

[Conservative65]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Again, who pays for all this evaluation?

1. the people I know who are best at it don't charge any money
that's the spiritual method that is fast and free (some resources
are posted at http://www.spiritual-heaing.us)

For what it takes to develop the scientific assessment
why not invest in research of THAT instead of research marijuana? or stem cell
research not everyone wants to fund? why not fund criminal disease detection and treatment using spiritual methods that have been shown to work.

millions of dollars are going to research nonsense when it could pay for solutions

2. if you want to implement it for everyone,
it's sure better than what we are wasting billions on
in the current mental health and prison systems.
3. I would look into VA centers, any facility that can be revamped
to provide free to low cost health care and try to implement it there.
I would recommend training people in services that are going to reduce crime,
invest restitution owed for past crimes into paying for internships in jobs
that are going to break the cycles of abuse in each neighborhood affected.

And if there is a time gap between paying back restitution,
and setting up jobs and services in crime prevention,
then I would suggest issuing CREDITS against the costs of crime and corruption owed to taxpayers,
use the CREDIT (like federal reserve notes) to finance the jobs and reform
in each district affected and participating,
and then hold the Wrongdoers responsible for paying the costs of their crimes back to the communities.

I would QUIT hiring and licensing lawyers to HIDE what criminals and corporations do wrong at public expense,
and start HIRING lawyers and law school teams to negotiate settlement agreements
to collect restitution back to taxpayers directly from the wrongdoers if they want to keep their citizenship.
and pay for the costs of corrections, while the lawyers get commission.

We could create jobs for Vets to clean up each district, and each
govt institution that is wasting money. starting with the VA and also the prisons.
easily pay for preventative screening and health care with the billions wasted on that..

1) So as long as money for research is being spent on what you think, it's OK. If not, it's not OK.

2) So everyone should pay for what you want done?

3) Free to whom? Again, guess who pays for that "free" stuff? Shouldn't restitution for past crimes go to the ones on whom the crime was committed. As a business owner, if restitution is being paid, it should be paid to those victimized.

Everything you've proposed involves taxpayers.

 

[emilynghiem]

Ferguson unrest Make protesters pay for riot damage Fox News

I agree.

Free speech isn't free. If you cause damage while doing it, why should law abiding taxpayers pay your bill?

And if the rioters won't pay,
let's make a deal to fund Obama's Amnesty proposal.

Any illegal immigrants willing to pay back all their costs AND chip in the labor or money to rebuild in Ferguson can trade citizenship with anyone convicted of that damage who refuses to work and pay restitution. Whoever agrees to pay gets to stay; whoever refuses faces deportation.

(And any other immigrants not covered which Obama want to fund, let's sue the Democrat Party to pay for that policy since that's who got this guy elected. The Catholics pay for their own programs under their Pope and Church. Let the Democrats pay for their own health care and immigration policies if that's what they believe.)

What is the purpose of rebuilding Ferguson? They will just rob, push around, destroy it the next time they get pissed off.

So do you support giving in to criminals?
if someone keeps killing, you are just going to give up and let them keep killing?

Why not set up checkpoints and anyone who goes there
presents ID. And if caught creating any destruction, by signing
an agreement in advance, agrees to pay for costs.

I would even look into legislation that would revoke citizenship
if people refuse to pay costs for premeditated crimes they are convicted of.
Stop charging the cost to the victims and to the taxpayers to pay for crimes of others!

More people might fear losing citizenship and ending up in a Mexican prison
as a traded prisoner or deportee, than they fear any punishment in America with kangaroo courts and revolving door prisons, always paid for by the people supporting the govt they protest and want to punish anyway.

Note: Thursday letters Death penalty immigration marijuana - Houston Chronicle

Death penalty alternative

Regarding "Jury sentences Bellaire cop killer to death" (Page B1, Wednesday), I believe the law should include other alternatives besides either the death penalty or life in prison without parole, which adds to the burden on taxpayers and security risks to prison personnel.

I applaud the prosecuting attorneys for meting out the most severe punishment to those such as Harlem Lewis III, found guilty of deliberately killing a law officer; but I believe the government should offer the option of revoking citizenship in place of imposing the death penalty. Not everyone agrees the state has authority to terminate life, but since government grants citizenship, it should equally exercise full power to revoke it and to deport individuals who refuse to comply with law enforcement, regardless of birthright.

Perhaps it's time the U.S. government started a prison exchange program with Mexico and other countries, where convicts who commit premeditated crimes could face deportation.

Considering Lewis' young age at 23, he could still work for the rest of his life to pay restitution to society, such as through a Mexican prison, losing his rights to live freely in the U.S. as a consequence for abusing those freedoms and as a stronger deterrent against capital offenses.

Emily T. Nghiem, Houston

 

[emilynghiem]

1) So as long as money for research is being spent on what you think, it's OK. If not, it's not OK.

2) So everyone should pay for what you want done?

3) Free to whom? Again, guess who pays for that "free" stuff? Shouldn't restitution for past crimes go to the ones on whom the crime was committed. As a business owner, if restitution is being paid, it should be paid to those victimized.

Everything you've proposed involves taxpayers.

NO NO NO
That's why I suggest this!

Let people CHOOSE what they want to pay for, the crime prevention in advance or after the fact.

People who DON'T want to pay for executions can pay for a deportation system instead.
People who DON'T want to pay for life imprisonment
can agree to compel convicts to pay for their OWN costs.

We're already spending billions on prisons.
People are ALREADY protesting money wasted on research they don't believe in.
why not give them a CHOICE to fund other methods.

It's all by FREE CHOICE of taxpayers to fund what they believe in.
by free exercise of religion, people have that right not to fund things against their beliefs.

why not organize the funding so people can pay by party
and by policy what they believe or don't believe in funding.

So Democrats who believe in funding health care and immigrants can pay for that.
instead of funding war and let Republicans pay for that and costs of helping Vets.
etc.

 

[mudwhistle]

Guess you've never been the victim of a robbery.

Surprising their victim is very important.

I've been the victim of worse, and yes I was shocked.
I was forced to have an abortion against my will by my boyfriend at the time I thought I understood.
So this was worse than rape, because it was blamed on me as the victim.

I've been judged as a murderer for something I did not believe in but was forced
on me, and people go around saying it was "my choice.' Like people think a rape victim
chose to walk into that.

Totally did not see it coming, and would never have thought this guy was my future husband
and we would get married and have the baby as he promised, knowing and stating I did not believe in abortion
and if I got pregnant then I will have the baby.

All that was robbed from me, and I was blamed for it on top of it all.

I found out he had been cheating and was covering it up out of guilt.

So this is how I found out the hard way, if you are going to see in advance
who is fraudulent, in denial or hiding things, you look into their family history.

If they haven't resolved past issues, they are going to REPEAT them.

So you can screen anyone in advance, and tell 90-98% of the time
if someone has abuse issues.

Maybe 1-2% can hide it even from experts.

But my friends who practice spiritual healing can READ into people
and TELL if they are still sick and in denial. They are not fooled.

You can detect these things, and one day we'll get smart
and develop scientific technology to detect criminal brains
in advance, similar to detecting cancer or diabetes. it is an illness
it has a cause and symptoms.

Some diseases and cancer cases can't be detected in advance.
so it won't be perfect. But most cases have signs and people's
attitudes follow patterns. Once I knew what to look for, I could see
this repeating in any family that has patterns passed down from parents to kids.
There are prison rehab programs that work on this, that identify and break
that cycle between parents and kids instead of letting it repeat another generation.
Whole therapies are based on this concept.

it's not that hard to see but harder to do. we are so caught up
in our own denial and projection of blame, we can't see if other people
really have problems if we are too busy with our own.

But if everyone were busy SOLVING problems
then the people with no interest in this would stand out.

Uh, I was talking about your random criminal, not rape by a boyfriend.

And any criminal is born of a man and a woman
and has family psychology that follows a pattern, inherited by family history.

This applies to all people, whether someone we know or someone we don't.

mudwhistle I guess I could dig up links to reports of WHOLE CITIES
that have gotten rid of crime by using spiritual healing to unite the
community and weed out anything negative that opens the door to crime.

Whole cities have achieved this.
we don't do this in America because people have
freedom and are using it to reject Christianity instead of
researching and using spiritual healing to cure diseases
including mental and criminal illness.

China may discover this first, and implement it as policy
before American's do who rely on science to prove it first.

Note: the city I heard about doing this had regular meetings for community prayers
in some outdoor arena like a stadium? but it helps boost the unity and weed out
drugs, prostitution, and crime.

here is one report I found about a town in Africa, but this may be embellished:
The power of prayer over witchcraft

I do believe that witchcraft and occult twists energy and thoughts around to be very negative and start people accusing and abusing each other. I've had friends suffer for years until they agreed to drop the connections with dark forces and magic that attracted harmful energy and events. One friend had people dying all around him. it's very negative energy.

David Berkowitz tries to warn people about this in his testimony over occult influences
that manifested in criminal obsessions that drove him to kill people, which he didn't understand
until he was freed of these influences:
David Berkowitz s former Son of Sam Testimony Translations

So people like him can reach out and encourage others to come forward and get help like they did, expect BEFORE it's too late.

There are some you can reach but there are some who are beyond reach. They cannot change. Problem is, when our president is constantly making excuses for them they have less reason to change.