Zone1 How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan

[progressive hunter]

Entitled ignorance, those are the two words that best define you.

now youre just projecting,,

I am neither entitled nor ignorant,,

 

[IM2]

now youre just projecting,,

I am neither entitled nor ignorant,,

He described you perfectly. White racism carries with it an attitude of entitlement.

 

[MisterBeale]

Since there is a history of reparations in America, then reparations are a solution.

The only folks that get reparations, are those who can show a direct harm, and those who pay, are the source of that harm.

The Native Americans certainly deserve more than African Americans, they lost their entire land and life style.

So let's say, the ancestors of Africans Americans, if they can PROVE that they are descended from slaves, get a piece of whatever the government will give to them from a fund that is say, HALF of what they gave in reparations to America's native Americans, whom they stole all of their land, and resources. .. so?

Let's look it up. . how much did they give to the natives in reparations?

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians​

https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/index.html

If you look at that case, those numbers are based on facts, not feelings. They are based on tangible assets from the past. And on real claimants.

YOAR wish list? Is nothing but socialism, a guaranteed basic income program for black folks. That won't fly, sorry sport.

 

[IM2]

They only folks that get reparations, are those who can show a direct harm, and those who pay, are the source of that harm.

The Native Americans certainly deserve more than African Americans, they lost their entire land and life style.

So let's say, the ancestors of Africans Americans, if they can PROVE that they are decended from slaved, get a piece of whatever the government will give to them from a fund that is say, HALF of what they gave in reperations to America's native Americans, whom they stole all of their land, and resources. .. so?

Let's look it up. . how much did they give to the natives in reparations?

U.S. finalizes $3.4 billion settlement with American Indians​

https://www.cnn.com/2012/11/26/politics/american-indian-settlment/index.html

If you look at that case, those numbers are based on facts, not feelings. They are based on tangible assets from the past. And on real claimants.

YOAR wish list? Is nothing but socialism, a guaranteed basic income program for black folks. That won't fly, sorry sport.

I don't think you get to determine who deserves what. We were brought over here and no, every slave was not given up freely to whites by Africans. That's why Europeans needed weapons when they visited Africa.

And then what about the slaves owned by Native Americans since you want to try qualifying people as if your white --- is some kind of authority?

The evidence we have shows tangible harm. You have not seen the evidence, and the evidence I have shown you people time and time again isn't even 1/1000th of the evidence we have. You are talking stupid as your argument keeps limiting the reparations to slavery, when it goes far beyond that into right now.

Furthermore, this thread is not about reparations and since you are a moderator, stay on topic.

 

[IM2]

White racists, try staying on topic here. The topic is:
How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan
It's time you looked in the mirror.

 

[Lisa558]

I don't think you get to determine who deserves what. We were brought over here and no, every slave was not given up freely to whites by Africans. That's why Europeans needed weapons when they visited Africa.

And then what about the slaves owned by Native Americans since you want to try qualifying people as if your white --- is some kind of authority?

The evidence we have shows tangible harm. You have not seen the evidence, and the evidence I have shown you people time and time again isn't even 1/1000th of the evidence we have. You are talking stupid as your argument keeps limiting the reparations to slavery, when it goes far beyond that into right now.

Furthermore, this thread is not about reparations and since you are a moderator, stay on topic.

YOU weren't brought over here. You are entitled to nothing other than to take advantage of the myriad of opportunities America has provided you.

 

[Lisa558]

White racists, try staying on topic here. The topic is:
How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan
It's time you looked in the mirror.

So…..that’s white liberal saying that. Big whoop.

When we quote a black conservative, you have a meltdown, and stsrt shrieking that just because ONE black (I think you demean him by calling him “Uncle Tom”) says so, it doesn‘t mean squat.

This quoting an “Aunt Thomasina” means squat as well.

 

[MisterBeale]

I don't think you get to determine who deserves what.

Nor do you or any pundit or writer get to determine that either. . . I've seen you post estimates. . trillions? Yeah, right.


If they are to be determined, they would be determined in a court of law, not in some politicized legistlature, like you apparently want. . . like all communists want. For you? This is not a social justice issue, it is spun to a political issue. This is about instituting communism, not about social justice, yoar as transparent as a winder pane.

We were brought over here and no, every slave was not given up freely to whites by Africans. That's why Europeans needed weapons when they visited Africa.

Just as many folks of all races were. I was watching a pod-cast with NYT writer and commentator Tyrus once, he has African American Ancestors and European Ancestors . . . turns out, his Scottish Ancestors were brought here involuntarily, and his African Ancestry owned slaves.

Many white folks and black folks have absolutly no idea how they got here, and it would not suprise me if you are completely ignorant of your complete ancestry. . . yoar just a commie looking for a free meal. Go pound sand sally.

Yoar generalizing for your communist agenda is disgusting. You are one of the biggest racists and race hustlers that divides folks on this forum.

You should be ashamed.

 

[MisterBeale]

since you are a moderator, stay on topic.

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Tell me what a thread, pointing out how folks with lighter skin, is about, where is that intending to go?

What is the point of that?

You do know, it isn't just white folks, it is all people with lighter skin. Even black folks that have lighter skin benefit, this isn't news, we all know this.

Even in your own community, you act on this. This is part of that caste system I pointed out earlier, but you wanted to just deny and deflect from. This is a part of a much larger problem. It is global in nature, and you just need to face up to that fact. . . .

This IS, the global caste system. . .

But you? You want to pretend it doesn't exist, and it is about nothing but legacy wealth, it isn't. It has to do with in groups and out groups. And perceptions.

The Difference Between Racism and Colorism​

The Difference Between Racism and Colorism

‘Colorism' is deeply ingrained in the fabric of this nation

time.com

" . . . In the meantime, skin color will continue to serve as the most obvious criterion in determining how a person will be evaluated and judged. In this country, because of deeply entrenched racism, we already know that dark skin is demonized and light skin wins the prize. And that occurs precisely because this country was built on principles of racism. It cannot be overstated that if racism didn’t exist, a discussion about varying skin hues would simply be a conversation about aesthetics. But that’s not the case. The privileging of light skin over dark is at the root of an ill known as colorism.

The funny thing is, the word colorism doesn’t even exist. Not officially. It autocorrects on one’s computer screen. It does not appear in the dictionary. Still, the author and activist Alice Walker is the person most often credited with first using the word colorism, out loud and in print. In an essay that appeared in her 1983 book, In Search of our Mothers’ Gardens, Walker defined colorism as “prejudicial or preferential treatment of same-race people based solely on their color.” Light-skin preference had been common practice in the black community for generations, but Walker gave it a name and marked it as an evil that must be stopped in order for African Americans to progress as a people.

But black Americans are not the only people obsessed with how light or dark a person’s skin is. Colorism is a societal ill felt in many places all around the world, including Latin America, East and Southeast Asia, the Caribbean and Africa. Here in the U.S., because we are such a diverse population with citizens hailing from all corners of the earth, our brand of colorism is both homegrown and imported. And make no mistake, white Americans are just as “colorist” as their brown brothers and sisters.

Shankar Vedantam is the author of the book, The Hidden Brain: How Our Unconscious Minds Elect Presidents, Control Markets, Wage Wars and Save Our Lives. A science reporter for The Washington Post, Vedantam’s research touched on skin color and how even the most liberal-minded progressive thinkers, still display a bias towards light skin. He told the New York Times in 2010: “Dozens of research studies have shown that skin tone and other racial features play powerful roles in who gets ahead and who does not. These factors regularly determine who gets hired, who gets convicted and who gets elected.”

In the U.S., it has been repeatedly proven that skin tone plays a role in who gets ahead and who does not. Despite the fact that the word colorism doesn’t exist, researchers and scholars are now systematically tracking its existence. A 2006 University of Georgia study found that employers of any race prefer light-skinned black men to dark skinned men regardless of their qualifications. Sociologist Margaret Hunter writes in her book, Race, Gender and the Politics of Skin Tone that Mexican Americans with light skin “earn more money, complete more years of education, live in more integrated neighborhoods and have better mental health than do darker skinned …Mexican Americans.” In 2013, researchers Lance Hannon, Robert DeFina and Sarah Bruch found that black female students with dark skin were three times more likely to be suspended at school than their light-skinned African-American counterparts.. . . "

Why black people discriminate among ourselves: the toxic legacy of colorism​

Why black people discriminate among ourselves: the toxic legacy of colorism

You cannot separate the often painful stereotypes of colorism from misogyny and the sexual exploitation inherent in American slavery. To combat it we need to speak about it

www.theguardian.com

The Unceasing Significance of Colorism: Skin Tone Stratification in the United States​

The Unceasing Significance of Colorism: Skin Tone Stratification in the United States

Abstract. For many decades now, social scientists have documented immense ethnoracial inequalities in the United States. Much of this work is rooted in comparing the life chances, trajectories, and outcomes of African Americans to White Americans. From health to wealth and nearly every measure...

direct.mit.edu

 

[IM2]

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Tell me what a thread, pointing out how folks with lighter skin, is about, where is that intending to go?

What is the point of that?

You do know, it isn't just white folks, it is all people with lighter skin. Even black folks that have lighter skin benefit, this isn't news, we all know this.

Even in your own community, you act on this. This is part of that caste system I pointed out earlier, but you wanted to just deny and deflect from. This is a part of a much larger problem. It is global in nature, and you just need to face up to that fact. . . .

This IS, the global caste system. . .

But you? You want to pretend it doesn't exist, and it is about nothing but legacy wealth, it isn't. It has to do with in groups and out groups. And perceptions.

The Difference Between Racism and Colorism​

The Difference Between Racism and Colorism

‘Colorism' is deeply ingrained in the fabric of this nation

time.com

" . . . In the meantime, skin color will continue to serve as the most obvious criterion in determining how a person will be evaluated and judged. In this country, because of deeply entrenched racism, we already know that dark skin is demonized and light skin wins the prize. And that occurs precisely because this country was built on principles of racism. It cannot be overstated that if racism didn’t exist, a discussion about varying skin hues would simply be a conversation about aesthetics. But that’s not the case. The privileging of light skin over dark is at the root of an ill known as colorism.

The funny thing is, the word colorism doesn’t even exist. Not officially. It autocorrects on one’s computer screen. It does not appear in the dictionary. Still, the author and activist Alice Walker is the person most often credited with first using the word colorism, out loud and in print. In an essay that appeared in her 1983 book, In Search of our Mothers’ Gardens, Walker defined colorism as “prejudicial or preferential treatment of same-race people based solely on their color.” Light-skin preference had been common practice in the black community for generations, but Walker gave it a name and marked it as an evil that must be stopped in order for African Americans to progress as a people.

But black Americans are not the only people obsessed with how light or dark a person’s skin is. Colorism is a societal ill felt in many places all around the world, including Latin America, East and Southeast Asia, the Caribbean and Africa. Here in the U.S., because we are such a diverse population with citizens hailing from all corners of the earth, our brand of colorism is both homegrown and imported. And make no mistake, white Americans are just as “colorist” as their brown brothers and sisters.

Shankar Vedantam is the author of the book, The Hidden Brain: How Our Unconscious Minds Elect Presidents, Control Markets, Wage Wars and Save Our Lives. A science reporter for The Washington Post, Vedantam’s research touched on skin color and how even the most liberal-minded progressive thinkers, still display a bias towards light skin. He told the New York Times in 2010: “Dozens of research studies have shown that skin tone and other racial features play powerful roles in who gets ahead and who does not. These factors regularly determine who gets hired, who gets convicted and who gets elected.”

In the U.S., it has been repeatedly proven that skin tone plays a role in who gets ahead and who does not. Despite the fact that the word colorism doesn’t exist, researchers and scholars are now systematically tracking its existence. A 2006 University of Georgia study found that employers of any race prefer light-skinned black men to dark skinned men regardless of their qualifications. Sociologist Margaret Hunter writes in her book, Race, Gender and the Politics of Skin Tone that Mexican Americans with light skin “earn more money, complete more years of education, live in more integrated neighborhoods and have better mental health than do darker skinned …Mexican Americans.” In 2013, researchers Lance Hannon, Robert DeFina and Sarah Bruch found that black female students with dark skin were three times more likely to be suspended at school than their light-skinned African-American counterparts.. . . "

Why black people discriminate among ourselves: the toxic legacy of colorism​

Why black people discriminate among ourselves: the toxic legacy of colorism

You cannot separate the often painful stereotypes of colorism from misogyny and the sexual exploitation inherent in American slavery. To combat it we need to speak about it

www.theguardian.com

The Unceasing Significance of Colorism: Skin Tone Stratification in the United States​

The Unceasing Significance of Colorism: Skin Tone Stratification in the United States

Abstract. For many decades now, social scientists have documented immense ethnoracial inequalities in the United States. Much of this work is rooted in comparing the life chances, trajectories, and outcomes of African Americans to White Americans. From health to wealth and nearly every measure...

direct.mit.edu

Talk to Tracie McMillan about where this is going. Why is it when the topic is whites people like you try turning the topic into a thread about blacks?

This is the thread topic.

How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan

Nothing you posted has anything to do with this topic. Because you are dishonest. You don't want to admit to the truths revealed by McMillan. This thread is not about colorism. It's not about color stratification, castes or any of that mess. It is about how WHITE PEOPLE BENEFIT FROM RACISM. IN AMERICA. Try discussng that since you are a moderator and you delete off topic posts and close threads that go off topic. Why are you trying to hijack this thread? So you can close it claimng that it's not on topic. Try discusng the topic, because I'm not going to discusste trash you just presented in this tread. You want to discuss colorism? Start a thread. But you won't like what you read if you do so.

 

[Lisa558]

Talk to Tracie McMillan about where this is going. Why is it when the topic is whites people like you try turning the topic into a thread about blacks?

This is the thread topic.

How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan

Nothing you posted has anything to do with this topic. Because you are dishonest. You don't want to admit to the truths revealed by McMillan. This thread is not about colorism. It's not about color stratification, castes or any of that mess. It is about how WHITE PEOPLE BENEFIT FROM RACISM. IN AMERICA. Try discussng that since you are a moderator and you delete off topic posts and close threads that go off topic. Why are you trying to hijack this thread? So you can close it claimng that it's not on topic. Try discusng the topic, because I'm not going to discusste trash you just presented in this tread. You want to discuss colorism? Start a thread. But you won't like what you read if you do so.

1) You’re always saying that white folks don’t get to speak for black folks, but now you’re quoting a white lady. So what you mean is: white folks don’t get to speak for black folks UNLESS IM2 agrees with what they say.

2) On the flip side, you say that blacks get to speak for blacks. Yet when a brilliant, accomplished black, such as Thomas Sowell who overcome adversity, says something you don’t like, you use a racist term to describe him. So what you mean is: blacks folks are the ones who get to speak for blacks, unless they don’t go along with the oppression narrative - and then they are sell-outs.

 

[MisterBeale]

Try discussng that since you are a moderator and you delete off topic posts and close threads that go off topic. Why are you trying to hijack this thread? So you can close it claimng that it's not on topic. Try discusng the topic, because I'm not going to discusste trash you just presented in this tread. You want to discuss colorism? Start a thread. But you won't like what you read if you do so.

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[LibertyKid]

You really need to stop calling people racists just because they disagree with you. We are in Zone 1.

Do it again, and I’ll report you.

Just report him. Why give him another chance?

 

[Lisa558]

Just report him. Why give him another chance?

I’m a Republican. We are more tolerant than the racist Democrats.

(The other reason is it doesn’t seem to do much good.)

 

[ThisIsMe]

Not only does this discussion center around how racism in America has also historically hurt white people...

It's a discussion entirely involving white people. Watch....

I find it kind of comical how you and IM2 will come here and tell people that unless they are black, they can have no idea of what it’s like for black people and they don’t know anything about racism…until there is a white person saying something you agree with…then they somehow become the people we should listen to..

 

[IM2]

Nor do you or any pundit or writer get to determine that either. . . I've seen you post estimates. . trillions? Yeah, right.


If they are to be determined, they would be determined in a court of law, not in some politicized legistlature, like you apparently want. . . like all communists want. For you? This is not a social justice issue, it is spun to a political issue. This is about instituting communism, not about social justice, yoar as transparent as a winder pane.


Just as many folks of all races were. I was watching a pod-cast with NYT writer and commentator Tyrus once, he has African American Ancestors and European Ancestors . . . turns out, his Scottish Ancestors were brought here involuntarily, and his African Ancestry owned slaves.

Many white folks and black folks have absolutly no idea how they got here, and it would not suprise me if you are completely ignorant of your complete ancestry. . . yoar just a commie looking for a free meal. Go pound sand sally.

Yoar generalizing for your communist agenda is disgusting. You are one of the biggest racists and race hustlers that divides folks on this forum.

You should be ashamed.

The estimates are correct. Now you can just stop trying this off topic argument. Reparations have been paid to people who are descendants of those who were harmed and to people who had no direct harm such as descendants of confederate soldiers. So try staying on topic because you do not have a valid argumemt tho oppose the request for reparations by backs, just silly white racist opinion and excuses.

 

[IM2]

I find it kind of comical how you and IM2 will come here and tell people that unless they are black, they can have no idea of what it’s like for black people and they don’t know anything about racism…until there is a white person saying something you agree with…then they somehow become the people we should listen to..

You have not lived as a black person and Traci McMillan is discussing how her lived experiences showed how she benefits from racism as a white person, which is something we as blacks really know nothing about. Pay attention to the topic, because scrubs like you are quick to tell us how we need to listen to Thomas Sowell or other blacks who say what you want to hear. Because your disagreement with us is based on what? Your lived experience as a black person? No, It's generally three things: your opinion, 1 black person who says what you want to hear while you dismiss 1 million that say what we say, or some imaginary black friend who you claim believes exactly as you do..

 

[IM2]

Just report him. Why give him another chance?

People should not be making racist comments in zone 1. Lisa thinks because this is zone one she can post pure racist filth then run to moderators after doing so. How about that stopping?

 

[ThisIsMe]

You have not lived as a black person and Traci McMillan is discussing how her lived experiences showed how she benefits from racism as a white person, which is something we as blacks really know nothing about. Pay attention to the topic, because scrubs like you are quick to tell us how we need to listen to Thomas Sowell or ther blacks who say what you wantto hear. Because your disagreement with us is based on what? Your lived experience as a black person? No, It's generally three things, your opinion, 1 black person who says what you want to hear while you dismiss 1 million that say what we say, or some imaginiary black friend who yu claim believes exactly as you do..

You have not lived as a black person

How do you know? You have no clue what my ethnicity is lol.

Traci McMillan is discussing how her lived experiences showed how she benefits from racism as a white person,

That’s exactly my point. You keep telling us that white people don’t know anything about racism, or what effects racism has on black people. So if a white person doesn’t know anything about racism, then how can they accurately describe how they benefited from racism?

My point being…you keep saying white people know nothing about racism, yet you’ll post stories and articles from white author about racism….. That’s just ironic.

because scrubs like you are quick to tell us how we need to listen to Thomas Sowell or ther blacks who say what you wantto hear

I would never tell you who to listen to. What I find disingenuous is how, if any black folks disagree with you, it’s because they are a sellout or a Tom, as if their being black is less relevant than someone else being black, it’s just they don’t believe all the race baiters and stories that get told.

Because your disagreement with us is based on what?

My disagreement with you is based on how you, like most on the left, jump to race as the reason for everything. As if there can be no other explanation for someone’s actions, no other reason for what they do, it all gets blamed on racism. Just like you an I have spoke before…most republicans don’t even talk about race, unless it’s a headline or brought up by a lefty, and that happens..a lot.

I challenge you, go listen to right wing talk hosts…see how many times they bring up race…unless it’s a headline..they don’t, and that’s how it is with conversations with right wingers too…it’s just not on their minds….

1 black person who says what you want to hear while you dismiss 1 million that say what we say,

No, I just go by what I see and hear. I listen to conservative talk radio, and I listen to progressive talk radio, and it’s the progressives who can’t go 10 minutes without bringing up race, or accusing someone of being racist.

 

[IM2]

How do you know? You have no clue what my ethnicity is lol.

Your posts tell us.

That’s exactly my point. You keep telling us that white people don’t know anything about racism, or what effects racism has on black people. So if a white person doesn’t know anything about racism, then how can they accurately describe how they benefited from racism?

My point being…you keep saying white people know nothing about racism, yet you’ll post stories and articles from white author about racism….. That’s just ironic.

The accurate comment is you don't know what its like to face racism. Whites know how to dish it out and the whites who practice racism think it's normal, therefore they don't think it is racist. What McMillan found, and what those like you don't seem to get, is what benefits whites have gotten from racism today.

I would never tell you who to listen to. What I find disingenuous is how, if any black folks disagree with you, it’s because they are a sellout or a Tom, as if their being black is less relevant than someone else being black, it’s just they don’t believe all the race baiters and stories that get told.

What I find disingenuous is that the only blacks that most whites trot out in arguments are the uncle toms and sellouts. There are all kinds of black people out there but in this forum, we get Candace Owens, Thomas, Sowell, Walter WIlliams, Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, Larry Elder, Brandon Tatum, and other blacks with a losing mindset. And you realy need to quit calling blacks who advocate for actual equality that point out the conrtinuing racism race baiters. You never seem to consider that the real race baiters, race pimps and race hustlers have been white, starting with the so-called founding fathers. This is how normal white racism comes to some white people. The biggest race pimp in modern history before Donald Trump was Rush Limbaugh, but he told you that Jackson and Sharptons were race hustlers using race to get rich while he damn near became a billionaire peddling white grievance. And whites like you still repeat the crap he spewed.

My disagreement with you is based on how you, like most on the left, jump to race as the reason for everything. As if there can be no other explanation for someone’s actions, no other reason for what they do, it all gets blamed on racism. Just like you an I have spoke before…most republicans don’t even talk about race, unless it’s a headline or brought up by a lefty, and that happens..a lot.

I challenge you, go listen to right wing talk hosts…see how many times they bring up race…unless it’s a headline..they don’t, and that’s how it is with conversations with right wingers too…it’s just not on their minds….

You seem to ignore how the right plays race on everything. And stop lying about Republicans and race. I livein a Republican state. I have listened to right wing talk show hosts. They are the main ones talking about race. Donald Trumps whole existence is due to race, specifically the racial resentment of whites on the right. What in the fuck do you think you guys are saying when you say we are losing our country? Ha? Where is America going? Who are you losing it to? We all know what that means and it is about race. Whites think this is their country.

White is a race. Understand? The whole depiction of the George Floyd protests from the right was about race. The defense of Derek Chauvin from the rght was about race. The denigration of George Floyd, Ahmad Arbery, Trayvon Martiin and other blacks who were killed by police was about race. The celebration of Kyle Rittenhouse was about race. The opposition to CRT was about race. The opposition to DEI is about race. The opposition to woke is about race, so stop lying about what the right doesn't do, it is all race with you guys and your side is about restoring white supremacy.

No, I just go by what I see and hear. I listen to conservative talk radio, and I listen to progressive talk radio, and it’s the progressives who can’t go 10 minutes without bringing up race, or accusing someone of being racist.

And all day long the right is spewing racist dogwhIstles at their audiences. The fact is that many on the right ARE racists. That most of the commentary on the right IS racist. Stop the racism and it won't be called out.