Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad

[Billy_Kinetta]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

Is he really that wrong?

While there might have been some that viewed it as bad, clearly the majority had no issues with it.

Nobody was forced to be a slave owner, they did it by choice.

Did the citizens of the southern states think it was bad when they went to war to protect the right to own slaves?

Even on this very forum we have people that argue the slaves were better off as slaves in America than as free people in Africa.

 

[Rocko]

I could see his statement generating a lot of controversy, but he’s right it sense that morality for the masses can evolve and devolve throughout the course of time. That’s why when you judge people in the past you have to be cognizant of what the standards were at the time and put that into context.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

How to Understand Slavery and the American Founding

 

[Seawytch]

They didn't view slaves as human so, yeah, I can understand where they couldn't see where it was bad.

 

[Kondor3]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

He may not have been all that far off the mark.

After all, Blacks, coming from primitive stone-age hunter-gatherer pseudo-cultures, were perceived as subhuman.

And, with a juicy rationalization or two, the White Man's Burden was to lift those poor unfortunates out of the darkness.

A "lift" which would require a multi-generational effort, beginning with servitude, and seeing how it goes over the generations.

Meanwhile, what harm in using those 'darkies' ( bio-robots ) to plant and harvest crops for the good of their betters?

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An unfortunate perspective and a perpetual question-mark over the heads of many (not all) Founders, but such was the mindset of the age.

From their vantage point, a perfectly logical and acceptable state of affairs.

Until Abolitionists (mostly in the northern colonies and states and the UK) triggered a closer look on a collective basis.

 

[toomuchtime_]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

What a stupid thing to say. Slavery was one of the most controversial issue at the Constitutional Convention, and the compromises reached in the Constitution - counting slaves as three fifths of a white person and banning the importation of slaves while allowing the domestic market for slaves to continue unabated - clearly shows many of the founders understood how evil slavery was. That the principles of civil rights were laid out in the Bill of Rights, passed right after the Constitution was signed, but were not applied to black people is further proof Buttigieg is just an ignorant bullshitter.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

What a stupid thing to say. Slavery was one of the most controversial issue at the Constitutional Convention, and the compromises reached in the Constitution - counting slaves as three fifths of a white person and banning the importation of slaves while allowing the domestic market for slaves to continue unabated - clearly shows many of the founders understood how evil slavery was. That the principles of civil rights were laid out in the Bill of Rights, passed right after the Constitution was signed, but were not applied to black people is further proof Buttigieg is just an ignorant bullshitter.

How can not applying civil rights to black people prove that people thought slavery was wrong?

While there were some that spoke out against it, many that did continued to own slaves even as they said it was a bad thing to do...making their words ring very hollow indeed.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Its not surprising that buttigieg is this ignorant of how the founders viewed slavery.

 

[Circe]

Even on this very forum we have people that argue the slaves were better off as slaves in America than as free people in Africa.

Well, sure they are! And how can you tell that for certain? They refuse to go back. Ask! I often have, on forums: if you hate America so much and resent our bringing your ancestors here, why don't you go back to Africa and live there?? They never do, though. I have even pointed out that a WHOLE lot of Americans would be willing to contribute to a fund to transport and start them off in Africa --- can you imagine? DNA cataloged so they couldn't return, nor could any offspring. This is an old idea, and Lincoln himself wanted to do it, but was assassinated too soon.

Of course the Founding Fathers thought slavery was a good thing, duh. For them, anyway. People don't do things unless they think they'll profit from it in some way.

 

[Circe]

They didn't view slaves as human so, yeah, I can understand where they couldn't see where it was bad.

Succinct, and true. I like that.

 

[Mr Natural]

Of course they knew it was wrong. But having to pay people to do the work of the slaves was seen as even worse.

After all, they were freedom loving capitalists.

 

[toomuchtime_]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

What a stupid thing to say. Slavery was one of the most controversial issue at the Constitutional Convention, and the compromises reached in the Constitution - counting slaves as three fifths of a white person and banning the importation of slaves while allowing the domestic market for slaves to continue unabated - clearly shows many of the founders understood how evil slavery was. That the principles of civil rights were laid out in the Bill of Rights, passed right after the Constitution was signed, but were not applied to black people is further proof Buttigieg is just an ignorant bullshitter.

How can not applying civil rights to black people prove that people thought slavery was wrong?

While there were some that spoke out against it, many that did continued to own slaves even as they said it was a bad thing to do...making their words ring very hollow indeed.

If you read about the debates in the Constitution Congress, it is clear that many of those present were adamantly opposed to slavery on moral grounds but recognized that the economies of the southern states was heavily dependent on it so they compromised their principles because without that compromise the southern states would never have joined the Union. Even some slave owners like Washington, who freed his slaves upon his death, understood how evil the institution was but were unwilling to pay the price to do what they knew was right.

The creation of the United States remains one of the great events of modern history, but with respect to slavery, it was based on a deal with the devil, and a few generations later Americans would have to pay the devil his due in the pain and death and devastation of the Civil War.

In his interview, Buttigieg says the founders did not understand civil rights, but clearly they did because they provided the basis for all our civil rights legislation in the Bill of Rights.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Even on this very forum we have people that argue the slaves were better off as slaves in America than as free people in Africa.

Well, sure they are! And how can you tell that for certain? They refuse to go back. Ask! I often have, on forums: if you hate America so much and resent our bringing your ancestors here, why don't you go back to Africa and live there?? They never do, though. I have even pointed out that a WHOLE lot of Americans would be willing to contribute to a fund to transport and start them off in Africa --- can you imagine? DNA cataloged so they couldn't return, nor could any offspring. This is an old idea, and Lincoln himself wanted to do it, but was assassinated too soon.

Of course the Founding Fathers thought slavery was a good thing, duh. For them, anyway. People don't do things unless they think they'll profit from it in some way.

Your "logic" is fucked up in a few ways...

1. They were talking about the slaves themselves, not their future generations.

2. How can anyone go back to where they have never been?

3. Thinking slavery was wrong and should not have been happening is not the same as hating America. The irony here is you have now shown that you do not view slavery as a bad thing. I bet you are pissed you cannot own another human being.

 

[toomuchtime_]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

Is he really that wrong?

While there might have been some that viewed it as bad, clearly the majority had no issues with it.

Nobody was forced to be a slave owner, they did it by choice.

Did the citizens of the southern states think it was bad when they went to war to protect the right to own slaves?

Even on this very forum we have people that argue the slaves were better off as slaves in America than as free people in Africa.

It is ridiculous to argue that the slaves were better off being here than living as free people in Africa, but it can be argued their descendants are better off because they live here.

 

[Lysistrata]

Those known as "America's Founders" were a rarefied and isolated group that would never have listened to the opinions of anyone else, slaves included, as well as women, and certainly would not and did not provide a forum in which they would listen to these people speaking plainly of their opinions. They only listened to each other, if at all. Their notion of morality was created only by their discussions with each other while isolating themselves from all others. Buttigieg is not wrong. Closed groups still do this today and then claim to speak for all persons.

 

[Harry Dresden]

any who had any education knew there was something wrong here....

 

[Circe]

I bet you are pissed you cannot own another human being.

Naaaaah, they made very bad servants. I've read a lot about black slavery, and it just didn't work out. They had a completely different culture that did not work with the white work ethic, even after they ran away or were freed, and they sabotaged things all the time.

No, I sure don't want slaves. Consider the implication, faced by a lot of people in the 19th century: they had to share their homes with blacks. And it just was not worth it.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

One by one, the Democrat candidates reveal their undeniable stupidity.

Buttigieg: America's Founders didn't know slavery was bad - WND

Is he really that wrong?

While there might have been some that viewed it as bad, clearly the majority had no issues with it.

Nobody was forced to be a slave owner, they did it by choice.

Did the citizens of the southern states think it was bad when they went to war to protect the right to own slaves?

Even on this very forum we have people that argue the slaves were better off as slaves in America than as free people in Africa.

It is ridiculous to argue that the slaves were better off being here than living as free people in Africa, but it can be argued their descendants are better off because they live here.

And it can also be argued that Africa is far worse off today as a result of having 20 million or so people removed from its lands. Imagine how differently America would look if it had been our people being removed and sent to other countries. Or for that matter imagine how differently America looks without the slaves at the beginning.

 

[Circe]

Or for that matter imagine how differently America looks without the slaves at the beginning.

Speak to me not of Heaven, for I am not there.