But....New Zealand banned guns...and felt morally superior....now their hospitals are filled with gun shot victims? Say What?

[M14 Shooter]

So let’s take driving for example.

You do not need a license to buy or own a car.
You can have 50 convictions for vehicular homicide and own as many cars as you want.
You can keep them all on your property, and can use them at will, on private property.
All w/o a license.
So much for your example.

 

[Coyote]

A firearm is inert until someone pulls the trigger. I have rifles that are 200 years old that have never hurt a fly.

Cars, on the other hand, are not inert. They are mobile objects, and, based on accident data, far more dangerous than firearms. Under 120 million cars kill 30,000 per year. 300 million plus, firearms murder under 10,000. The rest of the gun deaths are suicides.

Idiots love to claim that taking guns away will prevent suicides but real world data proves that to be untrue.

Actually cars ARE inert. Until someone starts them up.

 

[Coyote]

You do not need a license to buy or own a car.
You can have 50 convictions for vehicular homicide and own as many cars as you want.
You can keep them all on your property, and can use them at will, on private property.
All w/o a license.
So much for your example.

True. Let’s apply that to guns then. I could go along with that.

 

[Coyote]

Yeah, 60% are suicides. That's why the gun death rate is so high in Alaska. Winter is depressing. Look at Scandanavian suicide rates, even higher.

WITH GUN CONTROL.

That doesn’t account for the other states in the top tier.

 

[Coyote]

A firearm is inert until someone pulls the trigger. I have rifles that are 200 years old that have never hurt a fly.

Cars, on the other hand, are not inert. They are mobile objects, and, based on accident data, far more dangerous than firearms. Under 120 million cars kill 30,000 per year. 300 million plus, firearms murder under 10,000. The rest of the gun deaths are suicides.

Idiots love to claim that taking guns away will prevent suicides but real world data proves that to be untrue.

Actually there is something there. In suicides, women attempt it more often, but men succeed more often. Men are much more likely to use a gun and gun is pretty good at killing. If you could limit access to a weapon doing a vulnerable moment, it might prevent that suicide.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

That is the most common reason given by the progressive left for gun bans.

Don't be even more stupid than you provably are.

You’re as much a liar as the OP.

 

[westwall]

Actually cars ARE inert. Until someone starts them up.

The JOB of a car is to move. The job of a gun is to sit silently until needed.

 

[westwall]

Actually there is something there. In suicides, women attempt it more often, but men succeed more often. Men are much more likely to use a gun and gun is pretty good at killing. If you could limit access to a weapon doing a vulnerable moment, it might prevent that suicide.

No, it won't. Many contries have far higher suicide rates that have strict gun control.

People intent on suicide will succeed. Most suicide attempts don't succeed because they don't want to die. They are screaming for help the only way they know how.

 

[westwall]

That doesn’t account for the other states in the top tier.

Depression is the cause of suicides. Not access to guns.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Does requiring a car driving licence stop you from owning a car and driving it on the road? No, because, you pass a test, buy a car, it comes with a log book (registration papers) and you drive on the road according to some rules. In the UK, each year, the car has an MOT to make sure it's road worthy. Does this stop criminals using a car? No. Do they have access to one if needed? Yes.

Do car nuts protest that it's against their rights to own a car with such regulation? Do these regulations stop accidents and deaths? Nope, but it reduces them, hence why we all have them.

Gun nuts and guns - GET OFF MY GUNS.

So you regulate cars (no one is banning cars) and everyone is fine. Mention gun regulation to
a gun nut American - GET OFF MY GUNS IT'S MY GOD GIVEN ******* RIGHTS

But hey, I can't fix stoopid.

There are 350 million people in the United States. There are 5 million in New Zealand.

About the same size and population as Colorado.

There are 350 million people in the United States. There are 5 million in New Zealand.

There were over twice the amount of gun deaths in Colorado, 845 in one year (2019) than NZ had in 6 years.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

and people are moving from cali to texas in droves

Good, get all the crazies one one area.

 

[2aguy]

Our laws act in two ways: pro-active (as in reducing the factors that might lead crime or loss of life), reactive (punitive, punishing tbe actual crime)…right?

As such for any crime we layers of rules and laws designed to prevent it and layers of rules and laws designed to enforce consequences once a crime is committed OR an accidental loss of life or injury occurs that may not be a crime.

So let’s take driving for example. On the preventive side we have:

Age limits
License
A test of skill and knowledge in order to get a license.
A vision exam

All that before can even legally drive.

Then, there are laws that govern the vehicle which the driver needs to follow:
Regular safety inspections
Requiring insurance
working head and tail lights

And more yet for the driver:
seatbelts and car seats
no texting and driving
no driving while impaired
Setting speed limits

All of the above on the preventive side, and applies to all drivers good or bad.

Once something has happened, other laws takes effect.

Are good drivers being punished?

The people doing almost all of the shooting can't buy, own or carry a gun......they are doing so illegally. On top of that, owning and carrying a gun is a Right.....you guys in the past, used Literacy tests and Poll taxes to deny voting rights to blacks.......you want to do the same thing today with licensing and registration and the other silliness for guns......

 

[2aguy]

Yeah, 60% are suicides. That's why the gun death rate is so high in Alaska. Winter is depressing. Look at Scandanavian suicide rates, even higher.

WITH GUN CONTROL.

Also, they don't have enough police....remote Indian villages have no police officers so when something happens, it can take hours for police to get to the scene.....

 

[2aguy]

If you look at gun deaths, the state with the highest number is Alaska 23). The state with the lowest is MA (3.4).

If you look at the map at this link most of the states with high gun deaths are not progressive states but deep red.

Gun Deaths by State 2026

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

We went through this on another thread, those Red States have cities under total control by the democrats and their 1) attack police policies, and 2) release violent criminals over and over policies....

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Also, they don't have enough police....remote Indian villages have no police officers so when something happens, it can take hours for police to get to the scene.....

YES, they do, the tribal police.
And yes, sometimes it takes awhile to get there.

 

[2aguy]

YES, they do, the tribal police.
And yes, sometimes it takes awhile to get there.

Moron...

There are at least 75 Native American Alaskan villages that don't have any law enforcement, reports The Washington Post. Isolated by long distances and difficult terrain, those residents must report crimes and wait for Alaska State Troopers to arrive in the village after hours of traveling.
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“Unfortunately, there are places in rural Alaska that if a woman is raped or a child is beaten, that victim might not get any help whatsoever,” Associate Attorney General Tony West told The Washington Post. “It can take a day and a half before responders show up to the scene of a crime or to a call for help. Imagine if you were a victim of violence and you can’t get help because weather conditions don’t allow you to get out of your village. Where are you supposed to go? You have nowhere to go.”

Alaska Is A Terrifying Place To Be The Victim Of A Crime

Although Alaska has high crime and rape rates, many of its isolated communities don't have police forces.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Moron...

There are at least 75 Native American Alaskan villages that don't have any law enforcement, reports The Washington Post. Isolated by long distances and difficult terrain, those residents must report crimes and wait for Alaska State Troopers to arrive in the village after hours of traveling.
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“Unfortunately, there are places in rural Alaska that if a woman is raped or a child is beaten, that victim might not get any help whatsoever,” Associate Attorney General Tony West told The Washington Post. “It can take a day and a half before responders show up to the scene of a crime or to a call for help. Imagine if you were a victim of violence and you can’t get help because weather conditions don’t allow you to get out of your village. Where are you supposed to go? You have nowhere to go.”

Alaska Is A Terrifying Place To Be The Victim Of A Crime

Although Alaska has high crime and rape rates, many of its isolated communities don't have police forces.

www.businessinsider.com

Moron, can't read your own comment?

“It can take a day and a half before responders show up to the scene of a crime or to a call for help.

That's an extreme situation you could be in a remote little village an NEVER get help.

 

[M14 Shooter]

True. Let’s apply that to guns then. I could go along with that.

Good to see tyou do not mind convicted felons having firearms.

 

[daveman]

Actually there is something there. In suicides, women attempt it more often, but men succeed more often. Men are much more likely to use a gun and gun is pretty good at killing. If you could limit access to a weapon doing a vulnerable moment, it might prevent that suicide.

So do you want a complete ban, with people given a chance to turn in their weapons, and the government inspecting each house to ensure compliance?

 

[braalian]

350 in SIX YEARS?

Shows gun control is working
We get that on a weekend

You can’t automatically assume their lower gun violence rate is due to their gun control laws. There are other factors. Less poverty, smaller cities, more homogeneous demographics. Correlation of two pieces of data doesn’t automatically mean causation.

Even in the United States the gun violence numbers and gun control laws don’t line up in any predictable way. Cities with stricter gun control laws still have sky high gun crime rates. The criminals still don’t have much difficulty finding guns when they really want them.