2 dead many injured in New Zealand mass shooting...but, gun control?

[bodecea]

So they have 1 mass shooting every few years.

We have hundreds a year. (And no, now that you've lowered the bar to two dead instead of your usually five dead, we can now claim hundreds of mass shootings.

Yep.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It's not about Gun Control, it's about FED POWER.

It's about DEMOCRAT power.

 

[bodecea]

We dont have hundreds a year you lying asshole....and they had one.....before they banned guns and now they have had another......after they banned them...you doofus

The obama number is 3 killed and as I stated this wasnt a mass public shooting because only 2 were killed....

Yes we do...if not thousands. Be proud.

 

[bodecea]

New Zealnd



Doesn't matter.....95% of our gun murders are criminals murdering other criminals, and the Centers for Disease Control research shows Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings and even mass public shootings..........1.1 million times a year......lives saved.......


And the majority of the individuals doing 95% of the shooting and murder are criminals released by the democrat party judges, politicians and prosecutors.....

The well- regulated militia, right,?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The man did the deed with a pump action shotgun.

Proving you do not need an AR15 to commit a mass shooting.

He had to put a lot of effort into this, in the US he might have used a semi-automatic AR-15 with a big clip and really gotten a body count. That's how the US rolls.

US, 2022
636 mass shootings. 8 AR15s
660 killed, 56 from AR15s
Someone lied to you, and you let them.

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[Flash]

So they have 1 mass shooting every few years.

We have hundreds a year. (And no, now that you've lowered the bar to two dead instead of your usually five dead, we can now claim hundreds of mass shootings.

You are confused Moon Bat.

The "hundreds a year" we have are mostly in our Democrat controlled big city shitholes among Black and Brown druggies, street thugs and gang bangers. Because Democrats don't enforce the laws against Blacks and Browns.

Just like in New Zealand here in the US if a nutcase or criminal wants to kill people then they will get the means to do it and no stupid anti Constitutional law will stop them.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes we do...if not thousands. Be proud.

Gun laws do not stop mass shootings.

CA has the most mass shootings in this country and they have some of the most draconian gun laws in the country

 

[Hollie]

The man did the deed with a pump action shotgun. He had to put a lot of effort into this, in the US he might have used a semi-automatic AR-15 with a big clip and really gotten a body count. That's how the US rolls.

An AR-15 doesn't use a clip.

If anyone uses the term "full semi-automatic", I'm going to call security.

 

[2aguy]

The man did the deed with a pump action shotgun. He had to put a lot of effort into this, in the US he might have used a semi-automatic AR-15 with a big clip and really gotten a body count. That's how the US rolls.

And you don't understand anything about this.......

It isn't the weapon that is the issue in a mass public shooting.....it is how much free time the killer has in the gun free zone before someone shoots back at them, stopping them from murdering innocent, unarmed victims......

How do I know?

I know because I know the issue....

Notice that the Kerch, Russia mass public shooting.....5 shot, pump action shotgun, and the guy murdered 20 people
The gun does not determine how many are killed

Magazine capacity does not determine how many are killed......

The amount of time the killer has in a gun free zone before someone shoots at and stops them determines how many get killed

Nashville

AR-15 rifle 6 killed


A Rental Truck in Nice, France, in 5 minutes.....

86 killed, 450 wounded...more than any mass public shooting in the U.S.


Cumbria shooting in Britain...

...no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle

13 killed, 11 injured....


Kerch, Russia

5 shot, pump action shotgun, not a rifle, no magazine

20 killed

Navy Yard shooting

5 shot, pump action shotgun,not a rifle, no magazine

12 killed


Santa Fe, High school shooting

No rifle, pump action shotgun, .38 caliber revolver

10 killed


1928, Fairfield, California shooting

Lever action rifle 11 killed

Leung Ying - Wikipedia

1903, Winfield, Kansas shooting

8 killed, double barreled shotgun

1949, Camden, New Jersey shooting

11 killed, 8 shot, semi-automatic, German Luger pistol

Howard Unruh - Wikipedia

The Story of the First Mass Shooting in U.S. History

Luby's Cafe

24 killed, 2 pistols

Virgina Tech

32 people killed, 2 pistols


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From 1982....various attacks.....most done without rifles,


Gilroy, semi-auto rifle with large magazine....3 killed

Dayton, democrat, socialist, antifa member, elizabeth warren supporter, semi-auto rifle with regular magazine....9 killed.

Umpquaa Community college shooting....5 pistols, 9 killed

Charleston Church shooting, 9 dead, 1 pistol.

Atlanta spree shooting.... 9 dead 3 pistols

Red Lake shooting 10 dead 2 pistols.

Santa Fe High school shooting...no rifle, no magazine.....shot gun and .38 revolver... 10 killed

Russian Polytechnic school shooting.... no rifle, no magazine.....tube fed, 5 shot, pump action shotgun....20 killed, 40 injured.

Navy Yard shooting.... no rifle, no magazine, tube fed pump action shotgun, 5,6 or 7 shot pump action shotgun....12 killed

Virginia Tech.... 32 people killed, 2 pistols.

Luby's cafe.... 24 killed, 2 pistols

British, Cumbria shooting....no semi-auto rifle...... Double barrel shotgun, bolt action rifle 13 killed, 11 injured....

Fort Hood....1 pistol....13 killed

Virginia beach...2 pistols .... 12 killed

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[2aguy]

Yes we do...if not thousands. Be proud.

No...we don't...in 2021 we had a total of 12......12 individuals out of over 350 million americans.....

 

[alang1216]

And you don't understand anything about this.......

It isn't the weapon that is the issue in a mass public shooting.....it is how much free time the killer has in the gun free zone before someone shoots back at them, stopping them from murdering innocent, unarmed victims......

How do I know?

I know because I know the issue....

I don't know the issue but it seems logical that if you have 1 minute to kill you can fire a lot more bullets from a semi-automatic than you can with a pump action shotgun. Am I wrong?

 

[2aguy]

I don't know the issue but it seems logical that if you have 1 minute to kill you can fire a lot more bullets from a semi-automatic than you can with a pump action shotgun. Am I wrong?

And yet the guy in Russia murdered more people than several mass public shooters who had AR-15 rifles..........

You are wrong.

Again, the deciding factor is the amount of free time the killer has in the gun free zone to murder unarmed victims before someone, civilian or professional, shoots at them.

 

[JoeB131]

It has nothing to do with gun laws.

The murder rate in the US is about what it was in 1950 despite there being literally tens ot thousands of state and federal gun laws being passed in the last 60 years.

Actually, gun laws are looser than they were in 1950.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, gun laws are looser than they were in 1950.

You truly are out of your mind....in the 1950s-70s you could buy guns at hardware atores and Montgomery wards as well as Sears....you doofus.

 

[Blues Man]

Actually, gun laws are looser than they were in 1950.

Not really and there are at least 20000 more today than there were in 1950

Gun laws do not lower murder rates

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Maybe they can ban more guns ...or double ban em

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We were told this would not happen again....New Zealand banned guns after the rare mass public shooting they had a few years ago....and it happened again....

The only thing keeping this from being an actual mass oublic shooting?

The guy failed to kill 3 people......he had a gun....which we are rold cant happen in New Zealand....

So how good is gun control on this big island?

He was a known criminal.

He was a prohibited individual.

He was a known mentally ill individual.

He had a history of family violence

He did not have a license for the gun.

That is how good gun control works in New Zealand....

New Zealand is in mourning after a shooting in Auckland left two people dead, hours before the city opened the Fifa Women's World Cup.
Six other people, including police officers, were injured and the gunman is also dead after the incident at 07:22 (19:22 GMT) on a construction site in the central business district.
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The man was known to police and had a history of family violence and mental health issues. He had been subject to a home detention order but had an exemption to work at the site. He did not have a license to own a firearm.

New Zealand: Shooting in Auckland before World Cup kills two - BBC News

Police are investigating how the 24-year-old suspect evaded the nation's strict gun control laws.

www.bbc.com

Actually using the new definition of mass shooting 4 or more people shoot it is a mass shooting.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So they have 1 mass shooting every few years.

We have hundreds a year. (And no, now that you've lowered the bar to two dead instead of your usually five dead, we can now claim hundreds of mass shootings.

Horse shit

 

[JoeB131]

You truly are out of your mind....in the 1950s-70s you could buy guns at hardware atores and Montgomery wards as well as Sears....you doofus.

Doofus, it wasn't how you could buy them, it was who the gun industry marketed to.

We had a National Firearms Act that restricted how many guns were sold and who sold them. What we didn't have was a gun industry selling to people like you who have a fetish.

They sold guns to hunters. Then people realized that murdering animals really wasn't a fun activity. So they changed their market to criminals and people afraid of criminals.

 

[alang1216]

And yet the guy in Russia murdered more people than several mass public shooters who had AR-15 rifles..........

You are wrong.

Again, the deciding factor is the amount of free time the killer has in the gun free zone to murder unarmed victims before someone, civilian or professional, shoots at them.

What type of weapon did the Russian use? Was it a semi-automatic like the AR-15?