Boycott Israel

[P F Tinmore]

Article 20

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.

It is Israel's war. The Palestinians did not go attack anyone.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Oregon lawmakers ditch bills backed by Israel lobby

Following sustained pressure by Oregon human rights activists and faith leaders, three separate bills targeting supporters of Palestinian rights failed to get a hearing in the state legislature during a recent session.

Two of the measures condemn the 2016 UN resolution against Israeli settlements and one impugnes the Palestinian-led campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions.

Activists say that the failure of the bills should encourage campaigners fighting back against similar anti-BDS measures in state legislatures and the US Congress.

The nonbinding measures were backed by the Jewish Federation of Greater Portland, a chapter of the Jewish
Federations of North America – a coalition of Jewish communal organizations that organizes nationwide efforts to combat the
movement for Palestinian rights.

The national organization works closely with Israel’s Jewish
Agency, a body that encourages Jewish settlement in Israel and the occupied West Bank.

Oregon lawmakers ditch bills backed by Israel lobby

 

[Hollie]

BDS is failing: a continuing series documenting Israeli success. (Sept. 2017)

Despite the continuous amplification of BDS in the British media, the movement to boycott Israel has had no discernible impact on Israel’s economy, and each month we see more and more examples of Israeli success and BDS fails. Here’s the latest installment in our ongoing series of posts documenting this dynamic.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

I did not say that the Palestinian Declaration of Independence had the clause. I gave you the link to what the UN Discussion centered on and present a link to the applicable UN Resolution.

At its forty-third session, the General Assembly acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; affirmed the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967

The Declaration of Independence did not mention the 67 borders.

(COMMENT)

The questions you should be asking are:

• What sovereign control did the Arab Palestinians maintain at any time between 1948 and the present?
• What are the 1967 Borders on any given day in June 1967? (Pre-5 June or Post 10 June)
• What are the borders established by treaty?
• What is meant by the Arab World when they say "sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any "Palestinian territory that is liberated?"​

Now, the reality is that, given the character and nature of the Arab Palestinians, any agreement or recognition that the Arab Palestinian finds inconvenient, the world can expect it to be broken. The Arab Palestinians do not have a history of following any of the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arab Palestinians do not have a history of following any of the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

Like?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

While it is true that there was no party to the 1948 War of Independence, or the succeeding Wars of 1967 and 1973, the Arab Palestinians were a central theme with irregular and asymmetric player participating in the conflict.

Article 20

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

It is Israel's war. The Palestinians did not go attack anyone.

(COMMENT)

In 1948, the remnants of the Holy War Army (HWA → led by Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni and Hasan Salama) and the Arab Liberation Army (ALA → led by Fawzi al-Qawuqji) fought in support of the Arab League against the State of Israel.

The common thread that associates the HWA and ALA is that "Salama" was a covert operative in the WWII Abwer (German Military Intelligence); and al-Qawuqji was a Colonel of the Wehrmacht, in the German Military Mission to Iraq which was a major contributor to the Arab League assault.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

• What sovereign control did the Arab Palestinians maintain at any time between 1948 and the present?

The Palestinians have the same rights that they have had since the Treaty of Lausanne.

Inalienable rights cannot change.

 

[P F Tinmore]

• What are the 1967 Borders on any given day in June 1967? (Pre-5 June or Post 10 June)

There are no 67 borders, just armistice lines that were not to be political or territorial boundaries.

 

[P F Tinmore]

• What are the borders established by treaty?

The same borders that were defined before the Treaty of Lausanne.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

While it is true that there was no party to the 1948 War of Independence, or the succeeding Wars of 1967 and 1973, the Arab Palestinians were a central theme with irregular and asymmetric player participating in the conflict.

Article 20

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

​

It is Israel's war. The Palestinians did not go attack anyone.

(COMMENT)

In 1948, the remnants of the Holy War Army (HWA → led by Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni and Hasan Salama) and the Arab Liberation Army (ALA → led by Fawzi al-Qawuqji) fought in support of the Arab League against the State of Israel.

The common thread that associates the HWA and ALA is that "Salama" was a covert operative in the WWII Abwer (German Military Intelligence); and al-Qawuqji was a Colonel of the Wehrmacht, in the German Military Mission to Iraq which was a major contributor to the Arab League assault.

Most Respectfully,
R

So? How does that refute my post?

 

[P F Tinmore]

I did not say that the Palestinian Declaration of Independence had the clause. I gave you the link to what the UN Discussion centered on and present a link to the applicable UN Resolution.

The UN has no authority to change Palestine.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I did not say that the Palestinian Declaration of Independence had the clause. I gave you the link to what the UN Discussion centered on and present a link to the applicable UN Resolution.

The UN has no authority to change Palestine.

It did not start with the UN, but it ended with the UN.
They had the right to tell the Jews that they were ready to have a State as they had worked on all the infrastructure, etc.
And the Jews were the ones to accept the partition offered by the UN to try to make the Arabs stop their attacks.

Arabs said no. We want the whole Muslim piece of land for our selves, because we are Muslims and we cannot give up on conquered Muslim land.

Too bad for all the Arabs who have been forced to go and kill Jews and non Jews for that little piece of land, Ancient Jewish homeland, which belongs to the Jews.

 

[Hollie]

I did not say that the Palestinian Declaration of Independence had the clause. I gave you the link to what the UN Discussion centered on and present a link to the applicable UN Resolution.

The UN has no authority to change Palestine.

But the Arab-Islamist settler colonial project did, right?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

The Arab Palestinians do not have a history of following any of the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States.

Like?

(COMMENT)

※ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

→

• BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 462, May 9, 2017 •

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The new Hamas policy document, which is meant to complement, rather than replace, the Hamas Covenant of 1988, does not in any way depart from what the movement believes to be the inalienable right of the Palestinian people to a state “from the river to the sea”. The document declares both the Balfour Declaration and the UN Partition Resolution of 1947 “null and void”, and makes clear that the Palestinian state – to be achieved piecemeal if necessary – is to be created at the expense of the very existence of the Jewish State. While the text is not by any means a breakthrough, it does contain a few indications that pressure on Hamas can eventually bear fruit.​

※ The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,

→

• Palestinian leaders praised violence against Jews •

Palestinian leaders, including PA President Mahmoud Abbas, are voicing support for attacks against Jews at the Temple Mount. Their comments are coming in the context of the increasing violence against Jewish worshipers visiting the holy site, culminating in riots and attacks against security forces on Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

※ The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,

Such as?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

This is so wrong on so many levels.

• What sovereign control did the Arab Palestinians maintain at any time between 1948 and the present?

The Palestinians have the same rights that they have had since the Treaty of Lausanne.

Inalienable rights cannot change.

(COMMENT)

The Treaty of Lausanne did not confer anything on the Arab Palestinians.

The Right to Sovereign Control over a territory IS MUCH DIFFERENT from actually having it. No one denies that the Arab Palestinians have rights...

I have the right to a Million Dollars. But I doubt that anyone is going to just hand me a Million Dollars.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

※ The principle that States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

You always crack me up when you post this. Can you post a 1948 map of Israel. You know, one that does not have those phony armistice line borders?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Treaty of Lausanne did not confer anything on the Arab Palestinians.

It surely did.

 

[P F Tinmore]

※ The principle that States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered,

Such as?

Actually, BDS is the only one calling for a just peace. Everyone else is sitting around with their thumb up their ass.

 

[RoccoR]

Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

Hummm --- Let's do this slowly.

• What are the 1967 Borders on any given day in June 1967? (Pre-5 June or Post 10 June)

There are no 67 borders, just armistice lines that were not to be political or territorial boundaries.

(COMMENT)

This answer presents a dilemma for you.

If there are no such thing as the 1967 Borders, then the Arab Palestinians have no defined territory in which to establish sovereignty and integrity.

• What are the borders established by treaty?

The same borders that were defined before the Treaty of Lausanne.

(COMMENT)

The Treaty of Lausanne does not mention "Palestine" once in the text. Palestine the name for a region, is not mentioned once in the text. What we call Palestine today, was included in the territorial description of Syria.

So? How does that refute my post?

(COMMENT)

The legacy hostile of the Arab Palestinian (in the form of 1948 War Remnants) never laid down their arms and accepted peace.

Most Respectfully,
R