Boycott Israel
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P F Tinmore
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Clearly you do not understand how a colonial economy works.
RoccoR
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RE: Boycott Israel
ā»ā Hollie, P F Tinmore, et al,
This is all smoke and mirrors.
Israel is not "desperate."
Maybe the original concept of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) Movement had merit, but its effectively has a limited lifespan; like any advertising campaign. And the BDS Movement has moral high ground is eroding. The cornerstone of the BDS Movement is, of course, is the Settlement Issue, Right of Return, and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem. Coupled with the cornerstone is the precursor demand to freeze settlement activity, including so-called ānatural growth;ā as well as the demand to dismantle all settlement outposts erected since March 2001 (presumably this would include e.g. the buildings, roads, water/sewer lines, storage and pumps, and power lines, distribution nodes and supplies).
The generalized reason for this is the view that the continuing Israeli settlement activities imperil the viability of the two-state solution (based on the ambiguous 1967 lines which are not defendable) and the establishment of a permanent sovereignty of the Arab-Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt).
Now the various activities of the BDS Movement and the Electronic Intifada (Chicago-based e-publication) may be (even must be) judged individually and on their own merit. But one must remember that the BDS National Committee (BNC) has associations. Right at the top of the current organizational membership list is: "Council of National and Islamic Forces in Palestine" is a major coalition for Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters. They include, but not limited to, the following:
Most Respectfully,
R
ā»ā Hollie, P F Tinmore, et al,
This is all smoke and mirrors.
(COMMENT)
Israel is not "desperate."
Maybe the original concept of the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) Movement had merit, but its effectively has a limited lifespan; like any advertising campaign. And the BDS Movement has moral high ground is eroding. The cornerstone of the BDS Movement is, of course, is the Settlement Issue, Right of Return, and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem. Coupled with the cornerstone is the precursor demand to freeze settlement activity, including so-called ānatural growth;ā as well as the demand to dismantle all settlement outposts erected since March 2001 (presumably this would include e.g. the buildings, roads, water/sewer lines, storage and pumps, and power lines, distribution nodes and supplies).
The generalized reason for this is the view that the continuing Israeli settlement activities imperil the viability of the two-state solution (based on the ambiguous 1967 lines which are not defendable) and the establishment of a permanent sovereignty of the Arab-Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt).
Now the various activities of the BDS Movement and the Electronic Intifada (Chicago-based e-publication) may be (even must be) judged individually and on their own merit. But one must remember that the BDS National Committee (BNC) has associations. Right at the top of the current organizational membership list is: "Council of National and Islamic Forces in Palestine" is a major coalition for Hostile Arab-Palestinian (HoAP) Jihadist, Virulent Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgent, Radicalized Islamist, and Asymmetric Fighters. They include, but not limited to, the following:
- Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP);
- Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas);
- Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP);
- Palestinian People's Party (PPP);
- Palestinian Democratic Union (FIDA);
- Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF);
- Palestinian Liberation Front (PLF);
- Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine (PIJ);
- Arab Liberation Front (ALF);
Most Respectfully,
R
RoccoR
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RE: Boycott Israel
ā»ā ALCON, et al,
I almost missed this...
VIDEO UN Watch: ex-Hamas member exposes PLO
(COMMENT)
This absolutely is a must see. One minute into the video you will be shocked. I was amazed; I did not think the UN Watch had it in them....
Most Respectfully,
R
ā»ā ALCON, et al,
I almost missed this...
VIDEO UN Watch: ex-Hamas member exposes PLO
(COMMENT)
This absolutely is a must see. One minute into the video you will be shocked. I was amazed; I did not think the UN Watch had it in them....
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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Good points. He did not mention that the PA is a foreign appointed illegal government.
P F Tinmore
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OK, so?
P F Tinmore
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Is that why Israel is jumping through every hoop it can find to shut these people up?
That's because not everyone is as consumed by conspiracy theories and excuses for Arab-Moslem ineptitude as you choose to be.
You're getting as desperate and frantic as the BDS'ers. You, and they, are clinging to a quickly fading relevance that never had much traction and is now careening down a slippery slope of "who cares".
BDS'ers are just another hate group that appeals to a narrow audience of people who share your biases.
Clearly, you have never taken economics 101.
P F Tinmore
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I used to tutor economics in college.
Of course you did, dear. Your tutoring of the wannabe Hitler Youth at a Hamas madrassah is typically not considered a college level course, at least not here in the Great Satanā¢
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RoccoR
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]RE: Boycott Israel
ā»ā P F Tinmore, et al,
Technically, that is correct.
The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, Rabat (1974), the combined leadership of the Arab World (Kings, Presidents and Amirs)(Alternate Record), made the determination ā in the absence of any real independent and sovereign government for the Arab Palestinian People, holding the legitimacy in the Arab World, that:
This was simply recorded as an invitation to the PLO in UN Resolution A/RES/3210 (XXIX):
Now, there is an old adage that "you cannot please all the people all the time;" which is so applicable with the Arab Palestinian People. Today, we still have people Arab Palestinians for the most part, that want to roll back the calendar by forty years (+) and and choose a different path.
It probably would have been much better for everyone else if the PLO had not been recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. THEN, it probably would have been the case that the Palestinians would not have been able to declare, from a legitimate Arab World Platform:
Today's Arab Palestinians can argue all it wants about the protocol and procedures chosen by the Arab World. But what is done is done.
But hey, if today's Arab Palestinians want to dissolve the declaration and relinquish what assemblance of sovereignty people might mistake it has, then so be it. Then there would be no need for a two state solution.
Let's see who that works out for them...
Most Respectfully,
R
ā»ā P F Tinmore, et al,
Technically, that is correct.
(COMMENT)
The Seventh Arab Summit Conference, Rabat (1974), the combined leadership of the Arab World (Kings, Presidents and Amirs)(Alternate Record), made the determination ā in the absence of any real independent and sovereign government for the Arab Palestinian People, holding the legitimacy in the Arab World, that:
2. To affirm the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent national authority under the command of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated. This authority, once it is established, shall enjoy the support of the Arab states in all fields and at all levels;
This was simply recorded as an invitation to the PLO in UN Resolution A/RES/3210 (XXIX):
Invites the Palestine Liberation Organization, the representative of the Palestinian people, to participate in the deliberations of the General Assembly on the question of Palestine in plenary meetings.
Now, there is an old adage that "you cannot please all the people all the time;" which is so applicable with the Arab Palestinian People. Today, we still have people Arab Palestinians for the most part, that want to roll back the calendar by forty years (+) and and choose a different path.
It probably would have been much better for everyone else if the PLO had not been recognized as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. THEN, it probably would have been the case that the Palestinians would not have been able to declare, from a legitimate Arab World Platform:
Whereas the Palestinian people reaffirms most definitively its inalienable rights in the land of its patrimony: Now by virtue of natural, historical and legal rights, and the sacrifices of successive generations who gave of themselves in defense of the freedom and independence of their homeland; In pursuance of Resolutions adopted by Arab Summit Conferences and relying on the authority bestowed by international legitimacy as embodied in the Resolutions of the United Nations Organisation since 1947; And in exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its rights to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory, The Palestine National Council, in the name of God, and in the name of the Palestinian Arab people, hereby proclaims the establishment of the State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem (Al-Quds Ash-Sharif).
Today's Arab Palestinians can argue all it wants about the protocol and procedures chosen by the Arab World. But what is done is done.
But hey, if today's Arab Palestinians want to dissolve the declaration and relinquish what assemblance of sovereignty people might mistake it has, then so be it. Then there would be no need for a two state solution.
Terra nullius is a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning "nobody's land", which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty.
Let's see who that works out for them...
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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Thanks for the link.
Thus were principles of international legitimacy violated. Thus were the Charter of the United Nations and its Resolutions disfigured, for they had recognised the Palestinian Arab peopleās national rights, including the right of return, the right to independence, the right to sovereignty over territory and homeland.
-------------Terra nullius is a Latin expression deriving from Roman law meaning "nobody's land", which is used in international law to describe territory which has never been subject to the sovereignty of any state, or over which any prior sovereign has expressly or implicitly relinquished sovereignty.
This is an Israeli propaganda thing. The people are the sovereigns. "A state" is not necessary.
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PHD Tinmore makes up what he wants, whenever he wants to....
And that is it. No need for any more arguments on the issue.
Thank you Professor.
Toddsterpatriot
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P F Tinmore
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You the shoveler of Israeli shit do not know what you are talking about.PHD Tinmore makes up what he wants, whenever he wants to....
And that is it. No need for any more arguments on the issue.
Thank you Professor.
Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,
Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,
Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,
1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:
(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237
Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,
Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,
1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:
(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237
Notice that these are the rights of the people. No state or government was required.
Sixties Fan
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You the shoveler of Israeli shit do not know what you are talking about.PHD Tinmore makes up what he wants, whenever he wants to....
And that is it. No need for any more arguments on the issue.
Thank you Professor.
Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,
Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,
Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,
1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:
(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237
Notice that these are the rights of the people. No state or government was required.
Fascinating how you jumped 54 years to find this one.
And this was after the Arabs refused a Partition in 1937 and 1947.
AND after the Arabs had launched four wars against Israel.
1948, 1957, 1967 and 1973.
You just HATE what the Mandate for Palestine is. What it says and what it was set up for.
That is ok, Professor.
Here is what your link says:
In 1974, the UN General Assembly invited Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, to address the General Assembly during the annual debate on Palestine. Arafat appeared before the UN in fatigue uniform, with his pistol showing. This period, following the Yom Kippur war, marked the ascendancy of the Palestinian in the UN for many years, and culminated in the Zionism is Racism resolution in 1975. On November 22, the UN General Assembly passed two resolutions 3326 and 3327, that recognized the cause of Palestinian self-determination and the status of the PLO as representing the Palestinian people, and gave the PLO observer status at the UN.
Particularly interesting and problematic is the following:
5. Further recognizes the right of the Palestinian people to regain its rights by all means in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations;
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If the Arabs cannot destroy Israel by force, they will attempt every trick in the book, just like those two resolutions which are totally meaningless considering all the Arabs did between 1920 and 1973.
P F Tinmore
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What part of all that bullshit has anything to do with the Palestinian's rights?You the shoveler of Israeli shit do not know what you are talking about.PHD Tinmore makes up what he wants, whenever he wants to....
And that is it. No need for any more arguments on the issue.
Thank you Professor.
Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,
Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,
Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,
Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,
1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:
(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237
Notice that these are the rights of the people. No state or government was required.
Fascinating how you jumped 54 years to find this one.
And this was after the Arabs refused a Partition in 1937 and 1947.
AND after the Arabs had launched four wars against Israel.
1948, 1957, 1967 and 1973.
You just HATE what the Mandate for Palestine is. What it says and what it was set up for.
That is ok, Professor.
Here is what your link says:
In 1974, the UN General Assembly invited Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, to address the General Assembly during the annual debate on Palestine. Arafat appeared before the UN in fatigue uniform, with his pistol showing. This period, following the Yom Kippur war, marked the ascendancy of the Palestinian in the UN for many years, and culminated in the Zionism is Racism resolution in 1975. On November 22, the UN General Assembly passed two resolutions 3326 and 3327, that recognized the cause of Palestinian self-determination and the status of the PLO as representing the Palestinian people, and gave the PLO observer status at the UN.
Particularly interesting and problematic is the following:
5. Further recognizes the right of the Palestinian people to regain its rights by all means in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations;
----------
If the Arabs cannot destroy Israel by force, they will attempt every trick in the book, just like those two resolutions which are totally meaningless considering all the Arabs did between 1920 and 1973.
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