Boycott Israel

[Shusha]

The people are the sovereigns. "A state" is not necessary.

Patently, demonstrably untrue.

The Catalans are a people, but not sovereign. Their "peoplehood" means absolutely F-all on the international stage.

Same as the "Palestinians".

It is the will of the people to build a State which makes the change. (Not the will of the people to be violent -- the will of the people to build a State).

 

[P F Tinmore]

The people are the sovereigns. "A state" is not necessary.

Patently, demonstrably untrue.

The Catalans are a people, but not sovereign. Their "peoplehood" means absolutely F-all on the international stage.

Same as the "Palestinians".

It is the will of the people to build a State which makes the change. (Not the will of the people to be violent -- the will of the people to build a State).

And if foreigners prevent you from building that state, at the point of a gun, you have the right defend yourself from that violation.

 

[Shusha]

The people are the sovereigns. "A state" is not necessary.

Patently, demonstrably untrue.

The Catalans are a people, but not sovereign. Their "peoplehood" means absolutely F-all on the international stage.

Same as the "Palestinians".

It is the will of the people to build a State which makes the change. (Not the will of the people to be violent -- the will of the people to build a State).

And if foreigners prevent you from building that state, at the point of a gun, you have the right defend yourself from that violation.

If you focused your energy on building a state, instead of ineffectually stabbing people and blowing them up and shooting rockets at them, then you would find no one could prevent you from building a state.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The people are the sovereigns. "A state" is not necessary.

Patently, demonstrably untrue.

The Catalans are a people, but not sovereign. Their "peoplehood" means absolutely F-all on the international stage.

Same as the "Palestinians".

It is the will of the people to build a State which makes the change. (Not the will of the people to be violent -- the will of the people to build a State).

And if foreigners prevent you from building that state, at the point of a gun, you have the right defend yourself from that violation.

You are absolutely correct.

The Arab people, being foreigners, attempted since 1920 and at the point of knives, weapons, etc, to keep the Jews from recreating their Nation on their own ancient land.

All of that violence and murder of Jews led those Jews to arm themselves in order to protect themselves from that violation.

Arabs can call themselves, now, Palestinians all they like, if they live in what was Mandatory Palestine, but from 1920 to 1964 they called themselves ARABS, and proud of it.

And most preferred to be called Syrians as they wanted what was the Mandate for Palestine to be of Greater Syria.

Jews and Israel will continue to defend themselves from the endless violations against them, until the day comes when the Arabs put their weapons down.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The people are the sovereigns. "A state" is not necessary.

Patently, demonstrably untrue.

The Catalans are a people, but not sovereign. Their "peoplehood" means absolutely F-all on the international stage.

Same as the "Palestinians".

It is the will of the people to build a State which makes the change. (Not the will of the people to be violent -- the will of the people to build a State).

And if foreigners prevent you from building that state, at the point of a gun, you have the right defend yourself from that violation.

If you focused your energy on building a state, instead of ineffectually stabbing people and blowing them up and shooting rockets at them, then you would find no one could prevent you from building a state.

How can you build a state when some assholes bomb or bulldoze your stuff?

 

[Shusha]

No one is bulldozing anything in Areas A, B or Gaza. Plenty of space and opportunity to build positive economic and political independence and trade.

You can try to use this sort of fake-ass demonization of Israel on others, but it won't work on me.

 

[Shusha]

As a matter of fact, why don't you ask yourself who it serves to maintain tiny, subsistence-only farms and simple trade structures in Area C rather than building an actual economy?

 

[Shusha]

Wait, what?! We can build hotels instead of tunnels with all this concrete?! No way!

 

[P F Tinmore]

As a matter of fact, why don't you ask yourself who it serves to maintain tiny, subsistence-only farms and simple trade structures in Area C rather than building an actual economy?

Deflection.

I can post stuff like this all day long.

 

[Shusha]

As a matter of fact, why don't you ask yourself who it serves to maintain tiny, subsistence-only farms and simple trade structures in Area C rather than building an actual economy?

Deflection.

I can post stuff like this all day long.

Are you trying to tell me that Gaza and Areas A and B are literally, physically incapable to building an economy and a State?

 

[Shusha]

As a matter of fact, why don't you ask yourself who it serves to maintain tiny, subsistence-only farms and simple trade structures in Area C rather than building an actual economy?

Deflection.

I can post stuff like this all day long.

So, its been ten years and you are saying its impossible to build a new chicken farm in Gaza?

 

[P F Tinmore]

As a matter of fact, why don't you ask yourself who it serves to maintain tiny, subsistence-only farms and simple trade structures in Area C rather than building an actual economy?

Deflection.

I can post stuff like this all day long.

So, its been ten years and you are saying its impossible to build a new chicken farm in Gaza?

 

[Shusha]

Hey man, your video is about a guy all sad face that his chicken farm got destroyed in the war. I didn't watch the whole thing. But are you saying that they can't build chicken farms in Gaza?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hey man, your video is about a guy all sad face that his chicken farm got destroyed in the war. I didn't watch the whole thing. But are you saying that they can't build chicken farms in Gaza?

This is just one example, of many, of the assholes in Israel destroying anything and everything in Palestine.

 

[Eloy]

No one is bulldozing anything in Areas A, B or Gaza. Plenty of space and opportunity to build positive economic and political independence and trade.

No one believes you or lends any significance to Israeli arbitrary designations of alphabet areas in Occupied Palestine.
"Caterpillar Inc., the U.S.-based heavy-equipment company, should immediately suspend sales of its powerful D9 bulldozer to the Israeli army, Human Rights Watch said today. As Human Rights Watch documented in a recent report, the Israeli military uses the D9 as its primary weapon to raze Palestinian homes, destroy agriculture and shred roads in violation of the laws of war."
Israel: Caterpillar Should Suspend Bulldozer Sales
The Israelis are criminals.

 

[Shusha]

Hey man, your video is about a guy all sad face that his chicken farm got destroyed in the war. I didn't watch the whole thing. But are you saying that they can't build chicken farms in Gaza?

This is just one example, of many, of the assholes in Israel destroying anything and everything in Palestine.

And again, I ask you....

Is it IMPOSSIBLE to build a chicken farm in Gaza?

 

[Shusha]

No one believes you or lends any significance to Israeli arbitrary designations of alphabet areas in Occupied Palestine.

You can't really be that ignorant, can you? That me and Israel just made up some letter designations? Get real.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
※→ P F Tinmore,, et al,

You don't understand what having a "right" means. I get the impression that you think that some one shoul;d just up and give something to the Arab Palestinians.

You the shoveler of Israeli shit do not know what you are talking about.

Recognizing
that the Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations,

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237​

Notice that these are the rights of the people. No state or government was required.

(COMMENT)

※ First, all people, everywhere have the same rights. ALL people are entitled to self-determination in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, and by Article 1 to the International Covenant on civil and political rights (CCPR).

※ Secondly, you will notice that A/RES/3236 (XXIX) also reaffirms the right to national independence and sovereignty. These are the same rights (limited by law) that are afforded everyone → everywhere.

※ It should be noted that the CCPR is not carte blanche to pursue these rights. The CCPR clearly stipulates that:

Article 20

1. Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.

2. Any advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence shall be prohibited by law.​

These rights are not unique to the Arab Palestinian because → these notions of rights are bound by the protection of national security or of public order; and focus on the rights pertaining to bearer’s ability. The right does not require and external entity to do anything.

In the case of the Arab Palestinian, background on the Question of Palestine:

At its forty-third session, the General Assembly acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; affirmed the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967; and decided that, effective as at 15 December 1988, the designation "Palestine" should be used in place of the designation "Palestine Liberation Organization" in the United Nations system, without prejudice to the observer status and functions of the PLO within the United Nations system, in conformity with relevant United Nations resolutions and practice (Resolution 43/177).​

In the application of certain rights of the Arab Palestinians, it is recognized as the "need to enable" the Palestinians to achieve the end goal of these rights. But it is not a case where the effort should be presented alla "silver platter."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

At its forty-third session, the General Assembly acknowledged the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; affirmed the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967

The Declaration of Independence did not mention the 67 borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In the application of certain rights of the Arab Palestinians, it is recognized as the "need to enable" the Palestinians to achieve the end goal of these rights. But it is not a case where the effort should be presented alla "silver platter."

Inherent, inalienable rights are something you have as a people. They are not handed out be the powers that be.