Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[JonKoch]

No, everybody can learn from the Billionaires. They did it. They are often willing teachers. Government is our servant and not our master. We owe it nothing more than enough to pay its bills.

Would you feel bad if Congress did things, right?

Without BS what would YOU have Cupcake?

John Adams: Warned against letting the rich dominate government, arguing they should be contained to prevent aristocracy.

Thomas Jefferson: Favored a "yeoman farmer" republic over one run by wealthy, urban financiers, advocating for widespread education to protect against manipulation by the rich.

Benjamin Franklin: Viewed property as a social creation, considering the wealthy to be "debtors" to society.


The founders designed a system to protect property, but with clear warnings that a government captured by wealth would not survive,

 

[toobfreak]

I was born to American parents while they were overseas. My birth certificate states American Citizen Born Abroad and it was issued by the state department.

As it should have. Your american parents were traveling abroad when you were born, it does not matter where you were born, you were an American being born abroad by your American parents. The country you were in at the time did not snatch you up and declare you their citizen, no 'equal rights' group fought nor cared about your citizenry.

Likewise when a foreign couple has a child while passing through the USA, they are a citizen of that country, wherever the parents are from. The 14th was intended as a bandage just to help black slaves normalize into our legal system, there was no illegal immigration back then so it could not have even been a consideration much less the intent of the authors to include.

And the PROOF of that is the fact that the 14th did not even apply to native Indians and they needed a separate treaty years later, therefore the 14th could not have just been intended to apply to anyone and everyone born within our territory.

Only a very foolish, self-destructive country would enact a law so damaging as that, then be prevented from even correcting and clarifying it later by their own foolish laws.

 

[JonKoch]

Elon got a loan. Did you get loans?

Why are you baffled by finance?

Musk came to America with chump change.

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Sure, THAT'S got to be true


Elon Musk was not "poor" in the traditional sense, as he grew up in a wealthy family in South Africa,

• Family Wealth: Musk's father, Errol, was a wealthy engineer who owned an emerald mine in Zambia, a claim Errol has confirmed, contradicting Elon's depiction of a completely self-made, poor upbringing.

• Initial Funding: While Musk claims he was debt-ridden, some accounts suggest his father provided initial funding (approximately $28k) for his first company, Zip2, a crucial step for his startup success.

Elon Musk used to go to school in a Rolls Royce — Did he lie about being poor?​

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Elon wasn’t poor. But he wasn’t handed billions either.​

He grew up in South Africa, went to private schools, had early access to tech, and lived a decent, privileged life — at least until he left home.

So… why shape it like a poverty story?​

Because that story sells.

 

[JonKoch]

As it should have. Your american parents were traveling abroad when you were born, it does not matter where you were born, you were an American being born abroad by your American parents. The country you were in at the time did not snatch you up and declare you their citizen, no 'equal rights' group fought nor cared about your citizenry.

Likewise when a foreign couple has a child while passing through the USA, they are a citizen of that country, wherever the parents are from. The 14th was intended as a bandage just to help black slaves normalize into our legal system, there was no illegal immigration back then so it could not have even been a consideration much less the intent of the authors to include.

And the PROOF of that is the fact that the 14th did not even apply to native Indians and they needed a separate treaty years later, therefore the 14th could not have just been intended to apply to anyone and everyone born within our territory.

Only a very foolish, self-destructive country would enact a law so damaging as that, then be prevented from even correcting and clarifying it later by their own foolish laws.

WHAT BS. ALMOST 3 DOZEN NATIONS HAVE BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP..

"US citizens born in countries with unrestricted birthright citizenship (jus soli) often gain that country’s citizenship automatically, in addition to US citizenship. Many countries, primarily in the Americas, grant this right, while others allow dual citizenship through descent. The US permits dual nationality"

 

[JonKoch]

As it should have. Your american parents were traveling abroad when you were born, it does not matter where you were born, you were an American being born abroad by your American parents. The country you were in at the time did not snatch you up and declare you their citizen, no 'equal rights' group fought nor cared about your citizenry.

Likewise when a foreign couple has a child while passing through the USA, they are a citizen of that country, wherever the parents are from. The 14th was intended as a bandage just to help black slaves normalize into our legal system, there was no illegal immigration back then so it could not have even been a consideration much less the intent of the authors to include.

And the PROOF of that is the fact that the 14th did not even apply to native Indians and they needed a separate treaty years later, therefore the 14th could not have just been intended to apply to anyone and everyone born within our territory.

Only a very foolish, self-destructive country would enact a law so damaging as that, then be prevented from even correcting and clarifying it later by their own foolish laws.

LMAOROG. They were SEPARATE NATIONS (treaties and all), Gawd you CULT members are dumb

The 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, did not immediately grant citizenship to most Native Americans because they were not considered fully "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.. Due to their status as members of sovereign tribal nations, they were excluded from birthright citizenship until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.


IF THE RIGHT WING WANTS TO CHANGE THE DAMN LAW, CHANGE IT, DON'T PUL;L A CHEETO AND SAY THE JUDGES ARE STUPID

 

[JonKoch]

Countries with Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship (as of 2025/2026):

• Americas: Argentina, Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, Uruguay, Venezuela.
• Other Regions: Fiji, Lesotho, Pakistan (with exceptions), Tanzania, Tuvalu.

Conditional/Limited Birthright Citizenship (Parents may need residency):

• Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Chad, Colombia, Cyprus, Dominican Republic, Egypt, Eritrea, Finland, France, Latvia.

 

[toobfreak]

ALMOST 3 DOZEN NATIONS HAVE BIRTH RIGHT CITIZENSHIP..

Only half true. Half those countries have conditions for citizenship like being limited to certain groups, parents need to be born in the country, parents need to hold legal residence, etc.

Even the USA has conditions. The child cannot be subject of another country's government, and if two foreigners come here to have a child, both they and their child are already subjects of another government.

It makes no sense to use every excuse in the books still to suck in new citizens, especially from foreign countries--- there was no illegal immigration in 1866, no such thing as a terrorist, and in 1866, there were only 1/10th the people here then as there are today, and the world was not filled with dangerous a-holes.

Bottom line: unlike any other country, foreign governments hostile to our own are exploiting loopholes in our laws in order to exploit and subvert our country at our own expense; these loopholes must be closed.

 

[Robert W]

Sure, THAT'S got to be true


Elon Musk was not "poor" in the traditional sense, as he grew up in a wealthy family in South Africa,

• Family Wealth: Musk's father, Errol, was a wealthy engineer who owned an emerald mine in Zambia, a claim Errol has confirmed, contradicting Elon's depiction of a completely self-made, poor upbringing.

• Initial Funding: While Musk claims he was debt-ridden, some accounts suggest his father provided initial funding (approximately $28k) for his first company, Zip2, a crucial step for his startup success.

Elon Musk used to go to school in a Rolls Royce — Did he lie about being poor?​

​

​

​

​

Elon wasn’t poor. But he wasn’t handed billions either.​

He grew up in South Africa, went to private schools, had early access to tech, and lived a decent, privileged life — at least until he left home.

So… why shape it like a poverty story?​

Because that story sells.

I was a good friend of a body man who also drove around in a Rolls Royce. One he worked on he got cheap.

 

[toobfreak]

Countries with Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship

• Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, Guyana, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, Fiji, Lesotho, Tanzania, Tuvalu, Bahrain, Cape Verde, Chad, Eritrea.

As my map shows, your list is wrong, many of these countries have conditions for citizenship just as the USA has conditions as well, but seriously, how many people do you know sneaking off to Saint Kitts, Topago, Tuvalu or Eritria just to have a kid just to be a citizen of that country??? What they do proves nothing, especially some tiny pacific island.

Bottom Line: The USA reserves the right to exclude children of foreigners only here to sponge off us milking our generosity and reserves the right to reject foreign dog lowlifes and international scum with no good designs on America.

 

[Robert W]

Without BS what would YOU have Cupcake?

John Adams: Warned against letting the rich dominate government, arguing they should be contained to prevent aristocracy.

Thomas Jefferson: Favored a "yeoman farmer" republic over one run by wealthy, urban financiers, advocating for widespread education to protect against manipulation by the rich.

Benjamin Franklin: Viewed property as a social creation, considering the wealthy to be "debtors" to society.


The founders designed a system to protect property, but with clear warnings that a government captured by wealth would not survive,

We both know the rich in congress have the most influence. Nancy Pelosi,

Here's a look at 9 ultra-rich members of Congress

Millionaires aren't difficult to find on Capitol Hill. And with each passing election cycle, money seemingly plays an increasingly bigger role.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Robert W]

LMAOROG. They were SEPARATE NATIONS (treaties and all), Gawd you CULT members are dumb

The 14th Amendment, ratified in 1868, did not immediately grant citizenship to most Native Americans because they were not considered fully "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.. Due to their status as members of sovereign tribal nations, they were excluded from birthright citizenship until the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.


IF THE RIGHT WING WANTS TO CHANGE THE DAMN LAW, CHANGE IT, DON'T PUL;L A CHEETO AND SAY THE JUDGES ARE STUPID

We hope the Supreme court fixes this problem. But the majority of Americans want illegal aliens out.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I just have my normal, conservative, ingrained, unconditional belief in the Constitution, and that includes the 14th Amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We settled this back in 1867, as part of the supreme law of the land.

You ever read up on how that amendment was "ratified" (it wasn't).

It was immorally, unethically, and probably illegally passed.

 

[Robert W]

I just have my normal, conservative, ingrained, unconditional belief in the Constitution, and that includes the 14th Amendment.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We settled this back in 1867, as part of the supreme law of the land.

Are you better educated than the supreme court?

 

[JonKoch]

Only half true. Half those countries have conditions for citizenship like being limited to certain groups, parents need to be born in the country, parents need to hold legal residence, etc.

Even the USA has conditions. The child cannot be subject of another country's government, and if two foreigners come here to have a child, both they and their child are already subjects of another government.

It makes no sense to use every excuse in the books still to suck in new citizens, especially from foreign countries--- there was no illegal immigration in 1866, no such thing as a terrorist, and in 1866, there were only 1/10th the people here then as there are today, and the world was not filled with dangerous a-holes.

Bottom line: unlike any other country, foreign governments hostile to our own are exploiting loopholes in our laws in order to exploit and subvert our country at our own expense; these loopholes must be closed.

Countries With Birthright Citizenship​

Want to know how many countries have birthright citizenship?

The World Population Review says there are 75. A U.S. Library of Congress record dated in the early 2000s said there are 94 countries with birthright citizenship. This indicates that over time, more countries have been abolishing (or at least restricting) birthright citizenship.

Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship​

What countries have birthright citizenship?

Below is a list of 35 countries with unrestricted born-in-a-country citizenship, i.e., that unconditionally endow citizenship to anyone born in their jurisdiction.

Note that this list can change as more countries adopt more restrictive measures on their birthright citizenship laws.

1. Antigua and Barbuda
2. Argentina
3. Barbados
4. Belize
5. Bolivia
6. Brazil
7. Canada
8. Chad
9. Chile
10. Costa Rica
11. Cuba
12. Dominica
13. Ecuador
14. El Salvador
15. Fiji
16. Grenada
17. Guatemala
18. Guyana
19. Honduras
20. Jamaica
21. Lesotho
22. Mexico
23. Nicaragua
24. Panama
25. Paraguay
26. Peru
27. St. Kitts and Nevis
28. St. Lucia
29. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
30. Tanzania
31. Trinidad and Tobago
32. Tuvalu
33. United States
34. Uruguay
35. Venezuela

Note that Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, and St. Lucia all allow unrestricted birthright citizenship. Any children you give birth to in these Caribbean countries will be citizens, even if you yourself are not yet a citizen—e.g., still processing your citizenship by investment or naturalization application.

Birthright Citizenship With Conditions​

What countries have birthright citizenship but with attached conditions? The following 40 countries offer conditional birthright citizenship.

1. Australia
2. Bahrain
3. Belgium
4. Cambodia
5. Colombia
6. Cyprus
7. Dominican Republic
8. Egypt
9. Finland
10. France
11. Germany
12. Greece
13. Hong Kong
14. India
15. Iran
16. Ireland
17. Israel
18. Italy
19. Japan
20. Luxembourg
21. Macau
22. Malaysia
23. Malta
24. Mongolia
25. Morocco
26. Namibia
27. Netherlands
28. New Zealand
29. Pakistan
30. Portugal
31. Sao Tome and Principe
32. South Africa
33. Spain
34. Sudan
35. Sweden
36. Taiwan
37. Thailand
38. Tunisia
39. Ukraine
40. United Kingdom

Most of the above countries combine jus soli and jus sanguinis, requiring blood relationships with citizens before automatically assigning birthright citizenship.

 

[JonKoch]

I was a good friend of a body man who also drove around in a Rolls Royce. One he worked on he got cheap.

So you don't even address your BS POSIT On Leon being poor. Got it Fuk off

 

[Robert W]

Countries With Birthright Citizenship​

Want to know how many countries have birthright citizenship?

The World Population Review says there are 75. A U.S. Library of Congress record dated in the early 2000s said there are 94 countries with birthright citizenship. This indicates that over time, more countries have been abolishing (or at least restricting) birthright citizenship.

Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship​

What countries have birthright citizenship?

Below is a list of 35 countries with unrestricted born-in-a-country citizenship, i.e., that unconditionally endow citizenship to anyone born in their jurisdiction.

Note that this list can change as more countries adopt more restrictive measures on their birthright citizenship laws.

1. Antigua and Barbuda
2. Argentina
3. Barbados
4. Belize
5. Bolivia
6. Brazil
7. Canada
8. Chad
9. Chile
10. Costa Rica
11. Cuba
12. Dominica
13. Ecuador
14. El Salvador
15. Fiji
16. Grenada
17. Guatemala
18. Guyana
19. Honduras
20. Jamaica
21. Lesotho
22. Mexico
23. Nicaragua
24. Panama
25. Paraguay
26. Peru
27. St. Kitts and Nevis
28. St. Lucia
29. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
30. Tanzania
31. Trinidad and Tobago
32. Tuvalu
33. United States
34. Uruguay
35. Venezuela

Note that Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, and St. Lucia all allow unrestricted birthright citizenship. Any children you give birth to in these Caribbean countries will be citizens, even if you yourself are not yet a citizen—e.g., still processing your citizenship by investment or naturalization application.

Birthright Citizenship With Conditions​

What countries have birthright citizenship but with attached conditions? The following 40 countries offer conditional birthright citizenship.

1. Australia
2. Bahrain
3. Belgium
4. Cambodia
5. Colombia
6. Cyprus
7. Dominican Republic
8. Egypt
9. Finland
10. France
11. Germany
12. Greece
13. Hong Kong
14. India
15. Iran
16. Ireland
17. Israel
18. Italy
19. Japan
20. Luxembourg
21. Macau
22. Malaysia
23. Malta
24. Mongolia
25. Morocco
26. Namibia
27. Netherlands
28. New Zealand
29. Pakistan
30. Portugal
31. Sao Tome and Principe
32. South Africa
33. Spain
34. Sudan
35. Sweden
36. Taiwan
37. Thailand
38. Tunisia
39. Ukraine
40. United Kingdom

Most of the above countries combine jus soli and jus sanguinis, requiring blood relationships with citizens before automatically assigning birthright citizenship.

So, the ambassador of Germany does not have his right to his child, and his child will be an American citizen?

 

[JonKoch]

As my map shows, your list is wrong, many of these countries have conditions for citizenship just as the USA has conditions as well, but seriously, how many people do you know sneaking off to Saint Kitts, Topago, Tuvalu or Eritria just to have a kid just to be a citizen of that country??? What they do proves nothing, especially some tiny pacific island.

Bottom Line: The USA reserves the right to exclude children of foreigners only here to sponge off us milking our generosity and reserves the right to reject foreign dog lowlifes and international scum with no good designs on America.


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WANT TO CHANGE FUKN GO TO CONGRESS, IT'S NOT UP TO CHEETO AND HIS BS E/O's​

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Countries With Birthright Citizenship​

Want to know how many countries have birthright citizenship?

The World Population Review says there are 75. A U.S. Library of Congress record dated in the early 2000s said there are 94 countries with birthright citizenship. This indicates that over time, more countries have been abolishing (or at least restricting) birthright citizenship.

Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship​

What countries have birthright citizenship?

Below is a list of 35 countries with unrestricted born-in-a-country citizenship, i.e., that unconditionally endow citizenship to anyone born in their jurisdiction.

Note that this list can change as more countries adopt more restrictive measures on their birthright citizenship laws.

1. Antigua and Barbuda
2. Argentina
3. Barbados
4. Belize
5. Bolivia
6. Brazil
7. Canada
8. Chad
9. Chile
10. Costa Rica
11. Cuba
12. Dominica
13. Ecuador
14. El Salvador
15. Fiji
16. Grenada
17. Guatemala
18. Guyana
19. Honduras
20. Jamaica
21. Lesotho
22. Mexico
23. Nicaragua
24. Panama
25. Paraguay
26. Peru
27. St. Kitts and Nevis
28. St. Lucia
29. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
30. Tanzania
31. Trinidad and Tobago
32. Tuvalu
33. United States
34. Uruguay
35. Venezuela

Note that Antigua and Barbuda, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts and Nevis, and St. Lucia all allow unrestricted birthright citizenship. Any children you give birth to in these Caribbean countries will be citizens, even if you yourself are not yet a citizen—e.g., still processing your citizenship by investment or naturalization application.

Birthright Citizenship With Conditions​

What countries have birthright citizenship but with attached conditions? The following 40 countries offer conditional birthright citizenship.

1. Australia
2. Bahrain
3. Belgium
4. Cambodia
5. Colombia
6. Cyprus
7. Dominican Republic
8. Egypt
9. Finland
10. France
11. Germany
12. Greece
13. Hong Kong
14. India
15. Iran
16. Ireland
17. Israel
18. Italy
19. Japan
20. Luxembourg
21. Macau
22. Malaysia
23. Malta
24. Mongolia
25. Morocco
26. Namibia
27. Netherlands
28. New Zealand
29. Pakistan
30. Portugal
31. Sao Tome and Principe
32. South Africa
33. Spain
34. Sudan
35. Sweden
36. Taiwan
37. Thailand
38. Tunisia
39. Ukraine
40. United Kingdom

Most of the above countries combine jus soli and jus sanguinis, requiring blood relationships with citizens before automatically assigning birthright citizenship.

 

[Robert W]

So you don't even address your BS POSIT On Leon being poor. Got it Fuk off

You talk like you just today arrived on this forum. I never report posters, but others do.

 

[JonKoch]

We both know the rich in congress have the most influence. Nancy Pelosi,

Here's a look at 9 ultra-rich members of Congress

Millionaires aren't difficult to find on Capitol Hill. And with each passing election cycle, money seemingly plays an increasingly bigger role.

www.businessinsider.com

Elon Musk spent over $290 million on the 2024 U.S. election cycle, emerging as the largest individual donor to Republican candidates and committees. The vast majority of this funding went to his own super PAC, America PAC, which focused on voter turnout for Donald Trump and other Republican initiatives.


NANCY DO THAT?

 

[JonKoch]

We hope the Supreme court fixes this problem. But the majority of Americans want illegal aliens out.

Considering Cheeto NEVER got 50% of the votes, I'd say you are full of sh!t