Birthright Citizenship? Yes/No

[AZrailwhale]

Indians (born on the reservations) weren't excluded simply because they were citizens of other sovereign nations, they were excluded because of the treaties.

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Treaties are only signed between sovereign nations.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Treaties are only signed between sovereign nations.

And in the olden time, Indian Tribes were considered sovereign nations.

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American Indian Treaties

American Indian Treaties The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) houses original treaties made between the United States and American Indian nations. NARA also houses instructions issued to treaty commissioners, minutes of treaty councils, and other records related to American...

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[AZrailwhale]

And in the olden time, Indian Tribes were considered sovereign nations.

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American Indian Treaties

American Indian Treaties The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) houses original treaties made between the United States and American Indian nations. NARA also houses instructions issued to treaty commissioners, minutes of treaty councils, and other records related to American...

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Correct. As a matter of fact they still are.

 

[mudwhistle]

Well you see CA, we really need to look at the big picture here. We have three actors in this play:

• The Sovereign United States and all its people.
• A foreign country and its people.
• An apparent hefty drug trade.

Now, the Left are right, these idiots in high power speed boats 1500 miles out in the middle of the Carribean have rights. They are human beings cruising along not bothering anybody. ITMT, what would it cost to house 85 prisoners for 15 years feeding and taking care of them as millions of dollars are spent in hour after hour of legal testimony? And you know every one of them would be put up at a NY swank hotel rather than at Alligator Alcatraz.

ITMT, I understand that 80,000 or more people die a year taking stuff like this brought in from other countries like Mexico, China and Venezuela, but what I find interesting is that:

• When it comes to these certainly dubious characters running these drug boats up from South America, the Left extend their legal concern 99% FOR the illegals with practically no consideration for Americans hurt by their trade.
• But when it came to anyone even remotely near the Capitol on J6 of interest that they could connect in any way, the same Left extended their legal concern 99% AGAINST anyone charged! Sedition! Insurrection! Throw them in a dungeon and violate their every right even if they were just a journalist standing outside covering the event!

Where was the concern for personal rights then? At least back five years ago, we were dealing with Americans, fighting for what they thought was right, not just trying to bring kilos of crack cocaine into the country.

What about that 99% wiggle room?

• The Left would spare no expense spending millions of public dollars and years to defend every last boatman to the fullest extent of his rights!
  
• Trump took the other, opposite path, that of least time, expense and trouble: he just dropped a bomb on them and said: 'The USA is watching, and, oh no you don't!'

He put America first. Same with the whole question of aliens visiting our country only to have kids then raise them to be hostile to the country their being considered lawful to run for president. These people are not Americans. To declare that anyone less than a natural born child of at least one true American is still an American anyway and can even run for President is the stupidest idea that only a self-destructive society could have or planted there by someone trying for same.

Barack Obama is a prime example of what can go wrong if you never formed an early love for the country of your birth.

 

[westwall]

And in the olden time, Indian Tribes were considered sovereign nations.

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American Indian Treaties

American Indian Treaties The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) houses original treaties made between the United States and American Indian nations. NARA also houses instructions issued to treaty commissioners, minutes of treaty councils, and other records related to American...

www.archives.gov

They still are.

 

[WorldWatcher]

They still are.

Yes, and Native American's on tibal lands don't receive birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

They receive citizen based on statute, the Native American Citizenship Act of 1924.

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[westwall]

Yes, and Native American's on tibal lands don't receive birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

They receive citizen based on statute, the Native American Citizenship Act of 1924.

WW

Correct.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Barack Obama is a prime example of what can go wrong if you never formed an early love for the country of your birth.

Obama supporters never stormed the Capital.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama supporters never stormed the Capital.

Neither did Trump supporters.

The cops invited them inside.

 

[Concerned American]

Obama supporters never stormed the Capital.

Liar, BLM/Antifa stormed the capital in the summer of love 2020---yep, those were Obama supporters. They also stormed federal court houses, immigration facilities, ICE agents as well as police in LA, Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis. Try again. Your fair haired leftist insurrectionists make the J6 rioters look like amateurs.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Neither did Trump supporters.

The cops invited them inside.

Bull ******* shit. Several thousand of your traitor scum certainly did.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Liar, BLM/Antifa stormed the capital in the summer of love 2020---yep, those were Obama supporters. They also stormed federal court houses, immigration facilities, ICE agents as well as police in LA, Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis. Try again. Your fair haired leftist insurrectionists make the J6 rioters look like amateurs.

Your cult bullshit is insane. Why did Trump pardon them?

 

[Concerned American]

Your cult bullshit is insane. Why did Trump pardon them?

Why did Biden pardon people who hadn't been charged with ANYTHING? Gee, those people could murder anyone they want and they walk---Biden asylum. Trump pardoned people who were POLITICAL prisoners. Run along comrade.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Why did Biden pardon people who hadn't been charged with ANYTHING? Gee, those people could murder anyone they want and they walk---Biden asylum. Trump pardoned people who were POLITICAL prisoners. Run along comrade.

Answer the question.

 

[Concerned American]

Answer the question.

I did. READ. POST #293. Third sentence. Have you gotten out of grade school?

 

[Failzero]

Obama supporters never stormed the Capital.

They Rioted and burned vast sections of 37 Cities and killed over 45 people in 11 months of the summer of love ( Taking an eight block section of a major city downtown and holding it for almost a month ) while 1/6 lasted hours and Congress was back in business later that same night

 

[Zincwarrior]

They Rioted and burned vast sections of 37 Cities and killed over 45 people in 11 months of the summer of love ( Taking an eight block section of a major city downtown and holding it for almost a month ) while 1/6 lasted hours and Congress was back in business later that same night

Again, Obama supporters never stormed the Capital.

 

[Failzero]

Again, Obama supporters never stormed the Capital.

They attempted to get into the SCOTUS building and burned an Ancient Church 3/4 of a City block from the White House and took over a Park across the street from the WH

 

[Zincwarrior]

They attempted to get into the SCOTUS building and burned an Ancient Church 3/4 of a City block from the White House and took over a Park across the street from the WH

Again, they never stormed the Capital. Only MAGA traitors and the British did that.

 

[Concerned American]

They Rioted and burned vast sections of 37 Cities and killed over 45 people in 11 months of the summer of love ( Taking an eight block section of a major city downtown and holding it for almost a month ) while 1/6 lasted hours and Congress was back in business later that same night

Thank you. That six weeks in Seattle and three months in Portland also resulted in many ARMED assaults, arsons and murders as well as at least one incendiary attack on a federal courthouse in Portland and the taking of a police precinct in Seattle. This is not to mention the deprivation of use by tax paying citizens of their homes and public infrastructure.