Birthright Citizenship Is A Pernicious Lie That’s Destroying America

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Birthright Citizenship Is A Pernicious Lie That’s Destroying America

Beyond the legal arguments about the 14th Amendment is the moral argument: who is America for, and what makes someone an American?
24 Jan 2025 ~~ By John Daniel Davidson

On his first day in office, President Trump did the country a great service by issuing an executive order rejecting birthright citizenship as a requirement of the 14th Amendment.
Whether Trump’s order will withstand the legal challenges remains to be seen (a federal judge in Seattle temporarily blocked the order on Thursday). But the challenges themselves will force a reckoning on this issue, perhaps even at the Supreme Court.
Such a reckoning is overdue. For far too long we have accepted without question the outlandish idea that every single person born on U.S. soil automatically becomes an American citizen, and that the 14th Amendment somehow mandates this suicidal policy.
I’m not going to do a deep dive into the legal arguments for why the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause doesn’t grant automatic citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil (for that, see here, here, here, here, here, and here). Suffice to say, it wasn’t until about the middle of the 20th century, amid massive upheavals in American life, that the notion of “birthright citizenship” was adopted — over and against how we had understood the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause since it was adopted in 1868.
Briefly, the legal argument is this: to acquire citizenship, the 14th Amendment requires a person to be born in the United States and be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” which means you owe your total allegiance to the United States alone and not some foreign power. In other words, the children of illegal immigrants, or those here on a temporary basis, were not American citizens. That’s what the drafters of the 14th Amendment said at the time and that’s how the Supreme Court understood it when ruling on 14th Amendment-related cases in the decades following ratification.
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Every foreigner who comes here understands what this means as it applies to their own homeland. It has been a grave error that we have insisted for so long that none of it applies to us. Making a case against birthright citizenship will mean making a case against the pernicious ideology of multiculturalism, which we have been taught makes us strong but in reality makes us weaker and poorer.
~Snip~
We have to get comfortable saying these things and defending them. Yes, the legal and constitutional arguments against birthright citizenship are very strong, and they might in the end win the day. But regardless of the outcome of the legal battle over the 14th Amendment, we have to insist, without apology, on a fuller understanding of the American nation and the American people. An American is not just someone who happens to be born here. For a foreign national to become an American, he has to thoroughly adopt our culture, language, and way of life — and resolve to pass all of those habits and customs onto his posterity, here in his adopted homeland. Nothing less than his complete allegiance and complete assimilation will do.

Commentary:
Davidson makes some good points but misses the most important point. In order to be an American it is most important that the immigrant place and give allegiance to America above his country of origin.
 

Birthright Citizenship Is A Pernicious Lie That’s Destroying America

Beyond the legal arguments about the 14th Amendment is the moral argument: who is America for, and what makes someone an American?
24 Jan 2025 ~~ By John Daniel Davidson

On his first day in office, President Trump did the country a great service by issuing an executive order rejecting birthright citizenship as a requirement of the 14th Amendment.
Whether Trump’s order will withstand the legal challenges remains to be seen (a federal judge in Seattle temporarily blocked the order on Thursday). But the challenges themselves will force a reckoning on this issue, perhaps even at the Supreme Court.
Such a reckoning is overdue. For far too long we have accepted without question the outlandish idea that every single person born on U.S. soil automatically becomes an American citizen, and that the 14th Amendment somehow mandates this suicidal policy.
I’m not going to do a deep dive into the legal arguments for why the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause doesn’t grant automatic citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil (for that, see here, here, here, here, here, and here). Suffice to say, it wasn’t until about the middle of the 20th century, amid massive upheavals in American life, that the notion of “birthright citizenship” was adopted — over and against how we had understood the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause since it was adopted in 1868.
Briefly, the legal argument is this: to acquire citizenship, the 14th Amendment requires a person to be born in the United States and be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” which means you owe your total allegiance to the United States alone and not some foreign power. In other words, the children of illegal immigrants, or those here on a temporary basis, were not American citizens. That’s what the drafters of the 14th Amendment said at the time and that’s how the Supreme Court understood it when ruling on 14th Amendment-related cases in the decades following ratification.
~Snip~
Every foreigner who comes here understands what this means as it applies to their own homeland. It has been a grave error that we have insisted for so long that none of it applies to us. Making a case against birthright citizenship will mean making a case against the pernicious ideology of multiculturalism, which we have been taught makes us strong but in reality makes us weaker and poorer.
~Snip~
We have to get comfortable saying these things and defending them. Yes, the legal and constitutional arguments against birthright citizenship are very strong, and they might in the end win the day. But regardless of the outcome of the legal battle over the 14th Amendment, we have to insist, without apology, on a fuller understanding of the American nation and the American people. An American is not just someone who happens to be born here. For a foreign national to become an American, he has to thoroughly adopt our culture, language, and way of life — and resolve to pass all of those habits and customs onto his posterity, here in his adopted homeland. Nothing less than his complete allegiance and complete assimilation will do.

Commentary:
Davidson makes some good points but misses the most important point. In order to be an American it is most important that the immigrant place and give allegiance to America above his country of origin.
something a stupid leftist said tonight struck home and made a good point that hes a fucking idiot,,

Wobbly said:
Oh, you meant Mexicans? Again, we certainly think they're under our jurisdiction, when we want to put them in jail.


how can they be under our jurisdiction if theyre mexicans??

only americans are under american jurisdiction,,

being subject to our laws is not the same as being under our jurisdiction,,
 

Birthright Citizenship Is A Pernicious Lie That’s Destroying America

Beyond the legal arguments about the 14th Amendment is the moral argument: who is America for, and what makes someone an American?
24 Jan 2025 ~~ By John Daniel Davidson

On his first day in office, President Trump did the country a great service by issuing an executive order rejecting birthright citizenship as a requirement of the 14th Amendment.
Whether Trump’s order will withstand the legal challenges remains to be seen (a federal judge in Seattle temporarily blocked the order on Thursday). But the challenges themselves will force a reckoning on this issue, perhaps even at the Supreme Court.
Such a reckoning is overdue. For far too long we have accepted without question the outlandish idea that every single person born on U.S. soil automatically becomes an American citizen, and that the 14th Amendment somehow mandates this suicidal policy.
I’m not going to do a deep dive into the legal arguments for why the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause doesn’t grant automatic citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil (for that, see here, here, here, here, here, and here). Suffice to say, it wasn’t until about the middle of the 20th century, amid massive upheavals in American life, that the notion of “birthright citizenship” was adopted — over and against how we had understood the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause since it was adopted in 1868.
Briefly, the legal argument is this: to acquire citizenship, the 14th Amendment requires a person to be born in the United States and be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” which means you owe your total allegiance to the United States alone and not some foreign power. In other words, the children of illegal immigrants, or those here on a temporary basis, were not American citizens. That’s what the drafters of the 14th Amendment said at the time and that’s how the Supreme Court understood it when ruling on 14th Amendment-related cases in the decades following ratification.
~Snip~
Every foreigner who comes here understands what this means as it applies to their own homeland. It has been a grave error that we have insisted for so long that none of it applies to us. Making a case against birthright citizenship will mean making a case against the pernicious ideology of multiculturalism, which we have been taught makes us strong but in reality makes us weaker and poorer.
~Snip~
We have to get comfortable saying these things and defending them. Yes, the legal and constitutional arguments against birthright citizenship are very strong, and they might in the end win the day. But regardless of the outcome of the legal battle over the 14th Amendment, we have to insist, without apology, on a fuller understanding of the American nation and the American people. An American is not just someone who happens to be born here. For a foreign national to become an American, he has to thoroughly adopt our culture, language, and way of life — and resolve to pass all of those habits and customs onto his posterity, here in his adopted homeland. Nothing less than his complete allegiance and complete assimilation will do.

Commentary:
Davidson makes some good points but misses the most important point. In order to be an American it is most important that the immigrant place and give allegiance to America above his country of origin.

It's a legal right firmly entrenched in the Constitution. One court has already made that explicitly clear, and more are sure to follow. This renders any moral argument irrelevant.
 
something a stupid leftist said tonight struck home and made a good point that hes a fucking idiot,,

Wobbly said:
Oh, you meant Mexicans? Again, we certainly think they're under our jurisdiction, when we want to put them in jail.


how can they be under our jurisdiction if theyre mexicans??

only americans are under american jurisdiction,,

being subject to our laws is not the same as being under our jurisdiction,,
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More to the point, I was actually referring Muslim Islamists whom have immigrated from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Africa when I wrote my commentary.
Devoted Muslims believe we must all bow to Mohamed Allah. If not die, or become slaves to Muslim masters.
Look at history and look at how ISIS, Hamas or any Muslim terrorist group treat their people and their captives. They have no other allegiance but to their God and will not assimilate,
 
It's a legal right firmly entrenched in the Constitution. One court has already made that explicitly clear, and more are sure to follow. This renders any moral argument irrelevant.
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One court is not the end all, beall end of the line. That 1898 decision can and will be reversed.
Additionally, If that were the case, why was Roe V Wade overturned by SCOTUS.
Then there was Brown V Board
There have been other instances where SCOTUS has reversed their decisions.
Read more:
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Birthright Citizenship Is A Pernicious Lie That’s Destroying America

Beyond the legal arguments about the 14th Amendment is the moral argument: who is America for, and what makes someone an American?
24 Jan 2025 ~~ By John Daniel Davidson

On his first day in office, President Trump did the country a great service by issuing an executive order rejecting birthright citizenship as a requirement of the 14th Amendment.
Whether Trump’s order will withstand the legal challenges remains to be seen (a federal judge in Seattle temporarily blocked the order on Thursday). But the challenges themselves will force a reckoning on this issue, perhaps even at the Supreme Court.
Such a reckoning is overdue. For far too long we have accepted without question the outlandish idea that every single person born on U.S. soil automatically becomes an American citizen, and that the 14th Amendment somehow mandates this suicidal policy.
I’m not going to do a deep dive into the legal arguments for why the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause doesn’t grant automatic citizenship to everyone born on U.S. soil (for that, see here, here, here, here, here, and here). Suffice to say, it wasn’t until about the middle of the 20th century, amid massive upheavals in American life, that the notion of “birthright citizenship” was adopted — over and against how we had understood the 14th Amendment’s Citizenship Clause since it was adopted in 1868.
Briefly, the legal argument is this: to acquire citizenship, the 14th Amendment requires a person to be born in the United States and be “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” which means you owe your total allegiance to the United States alone and not some foreign power. In other words, the children of illegal immigrants, or those here on a temporary basis, were not American citizens. That’s what the drafters of the 14th Amendment said at the time and that’s how the Supreme Court understood it when ruling on 14th Amendment-related cases in the decades following ratification.
~Snip~
Every foreigner who comes here understands what this means as it applies to their own homeland. It has been a grave error that we have insisted for so long that none of it applies to us. Making a case against birthright citizenship will mean making a case against the pernicious ideology of multiculturalism, which we have been taught makes us strong but in reality makes us weaker and poorer.
~Snip~
We have to get comfortable saying these things and defending them. Yes, the legal and constitutional arguments against birthright citizenship are very strong, and they might in the end win the day. But regardless of the outcome of the legal battle over the 14th Amendment, we have to insist, without apology, on a fuller understanding of the American nation and the American people. An American is not just someone who happens to be born here. For a foreign national to become an American, he has to thoroughly adopt our culture, language, and way of life — and resolve to pass all of those habits and customs onto his posterity, here in his adopted homeland. Nothing less than his complete allegiance and complete assimilation will do.

Commentary:
Davidson makes some good points but misses the most important point. In order to be an American it is most important that the immigrant place and give allegiance to America above his country of origin.

More ignorant bullshit.
 
something a stupid leftist said tonight struck home and made a good point that hes a fucking idiot,,

Wobbly said:
Oh, you meant Mexicans? Again, we certainly think they're under our jurisdiction, when we want to put them in jail.


how can they be under our jurisdiction if theyre mexicans??

only americans are under american jurisdiction,,

being subject to our laws is not the same as being under our jurisdiction,,
That's OK. We understand your brainwashing prevents logical thought
 
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More to the point, I was actually referring Muslim Islamists whom have immigrated from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Africa when I wrote my commentary.
Devoted Muslims believe we must all bow to Mohamed Allah. If not die, or become slaves to Muslim masters.
Look at history and look at how ISIS, Hamas or any Muslim terrorist group treat their people and their captives. They have no other allegiance but to their God and will not assimilate,
Do you think being Muslim precludes being a citizen?
 
Do you think being Muslim precludes being a citizen?
We have seen ample proof that when the SHTF Progressive leadership is at a loss. Anything in the agendas that eventually causes or makes any problems worse is not advancing civilization if common sense is not used with it.
 
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One court is not the end all, beall end of the line. That 1898 decision can and will be reversed.
Additionally, If that were the case, why was Roe V Wade overturned by SCOTUS.
Then there was Brown V Board
There have been other instances where SCOTUS has reversed their decisions.
Read more:
**********​

Roe V Wade was overturned because the new justices were bought and paid for specifically to overturn it.
 
We have seen ample proof that when the SHTF Progressive leadership is at a loss. Anything in the agendas that eventually causes or makes any problems worse is not advancing civilization if common sense is not used with it.
That is not an answer to the question. You said Devoted Muslims believe we must all bow to Mohamed Allah. Christians believe we all must bow to God. Are devout Christians and devout Muslims all precluded from citizenship just because they believe in a higher power?
 
We have seen ample proof that when the SHTF Progressive leadership is at a loss. Anything in the agendas that eventually causes or makes any problems worse is not advancing civilization if common sense is not used with it.
Interesting thought, but the question Now is do you think Muslims can be citizens of the US?
 
You know, I tried to find exactly what the lie is but for some unknown reason the posted article didn't tell me. Didn't even mention the word 'lie' that I could find. Oh, ok, apart from the headline. I suppose that was so I could invent my own lie.

Bit of a pity that I lack sufficient motivation to do so. I'd never make a MAGAt.
 
Roe V Wade was overturned because the new justices were bought and paid for specifically to overturn it.
Roe v. Wade was overturned because it was one of the three worst Supreme Court decisions in U.S. history (the others being Dredd Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson). You are obviously annoyed that this divisive political issue has been taken from you.
 
Interesting thought, but the question Now is do you think Muslims can be citizens of the US?
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Haven't we seen what Muslim Islamist do in the M.E., WT bombing of 1993, Sept 11, 2001, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, Boston Bombing, Pulse Night-Club,
What you fail to recognize or understand is that most devout Muslims and the faith of Islam are radicalized." In between the two polarities is a respect for the religion of Islam coupled with an awareness of the danger "of a dangerous internal theo-political domestic and global ideology that must be confronted – Islamism."Nidal Hasan, Carlos Leon Bledsoe, Faisal Shahzad, Adam Gadahn, Anwar al-Awlaki, and the Tsarnaev brothers.
Not to mention the latest attack in New Orleans,
Are you claiming that these are individual isolated occurrences?
 
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Haven't we seen what Muslim Islamist do in the M.E., WT bombing of 1993, Sept 11, 2001, San Bernardino, Fort Hood, Boston Bombing, Pulse Night-Club,
What you fail to recognize or understand is that most devout Muslims and the faith of Islam are radicalized." In between the two polarities is a respect for the religion of Islam coupled with an awareness of the danger "of a dangerous internal theo-political domestic and global ideology that must be confronted – Islamism."Nidal Hasan, Carlos Leon Bledsoe, Faisal Shahzad, Adam Gadahn, Anwar al-Awlaki, and the Tsarnaev brothers.
Not to mention the latest attack in New Orleans,
Are you claiming that these are individual isolated occurrences?
So is that a yes or a no?
 
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