Bigger Failure, Bush or Trump

[Meister]

Obama

You have proven yourself a partisan hack.

And you haven't?
idiot

I think that you all were and still are butthurt because Trump couldn't be bought, no matter how hard you tried

Yeah, I hope he's enjoying all the business our as well as other countries governments are supplying his various businesses. Not to mention all that cash he is taking in to allegedly fight voter fraud. He's practically a saint.

You called someone else a hack?

Not sure what you're talking about, Happy, want to supply the links so we can look at it with context? or, is it the usual
hit piece like the Ukraine hoax and the dossier hoax, ect.?
I was just pointing out the hypocracy of banker

 

[rightwinger]

Anyway we cut it, Donald J Trump will go down as perhaps our worst President.
His antics will be the stuff of legend
As will his failures

 

[bripat9643]

Obama

You have proven yourself a partisan hack.

And you haven't?
idiot

History may eventually forgive George W Bush but will not be kind to Donald John Trump

He will go down in history as the man least suited emotionally, morally and intellectually to be President

W and O were much worse. They mass murdered far more people than dumb Don.

How do you know when Trump goes out of his way to hide the number of people he has killed with drone strikes?

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

Obama implements a policy of publishing the number of people killed in drone strikes and then Trump rescinds it.

Have you heard about Trump committing any drone strikes? Under Obama, on the other hand, drone strikes were a daily occurrence.

Did President Obama Order More Than 500 Drone Strikes?​

The figures being shared are based on the reporting of political scientist Micah Zenko, who in 2017 reported for the non-profit research organization Council on Foreign Relations that “The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians.” Zenko’s figures are based on U.S. military press releases and news reports. ​

You are an idiot.
Trump's air strikes in Afghanistan dramatically increased civilian deaths: Report | Middle East Eye

Trump’s Drone War Is Less Accountable Than Ever (foreignpolicy.com)

What do airstrikes in Afghanistan have to do with drone strikes? You're trying to change the subject.

Well I gave you a link about those too dumbass. Dead civilians are dead civilians.

According to Bripat it matters more whether a missile comes from a drone or other aircraft rather than the number who die.

When you are discussing drone strikes, then it does matter than the information you are spewing refers to drone strikes.

How big if an imbecile are you?

Obama killed a shitload of terrorists
Too bad for them

Yeah, wedding guests are known to be terrorists.

Fog of war

How many innocents get killed by carpet bombing or military invasion?

Bush took over two countries and got over 100,000 killed
I’ll take Obama’s Drones

Obama bombed Libya into the Stone age and pave the way for ISIS to take over. He also bombed the only government fighting ISIS in Syria. We had the spectacle of numerous people etting their heads sliced off in youTube videos thanks to Obama.

 

[bripat9643]

Anyway we cut it, Donald J Trump will go down as perhaps our worst President.
His antics will be the stuff of legend
As will his failures

Not by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together.

 

[bripat9643]

Obama

You have proven yourself a partisan hack.

And you haven't?
idiot

History may eventually forgive George W Bush but will not be kind to Donald John Trump

He will go down in history as the man least suited emotionally, morally and intellectually to be President

W and O were much worse. They mass murdered far more people than dumb Don.

How do you know when Trump goes out of his way to hide the number of people he has killed with drone strikes?

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

Obama implements a policy of publishing the number of people killed in drone strikes and then Trump rescinds it.

Have you heard about Trump committing any drone strikes? Under Obama, on the other hand, drone strikes were a daily occurrence.

Did President Obama Order More Than 500 Drone Strikes?​

The figures being shared are based on the reporting of political scientist Micah Zenko, who in 2017 reported for the non-profit research organization Council on Foreign Relations that “The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians.” Zenko’s figures are based on U.S. military press releases and news reports. ​

You are an idiot.
Trump's air strikes in Afghanistan dramatically increased civilian deaths: Report | Middle East Eye

Trump’s Drone War Is Less Accountable Than Ever (foreignpolicy.com)

What do airstrikes in Afghanistan have to do with drone strikes? You're trying to change the subject.

Well I gave you a link about those too dumbass. Dead civilians are dead civilians.

According to Bripat it matters more whether a missile comes from a drone or other aircraft rather than the number who die.

When you are discussing drone strikes, then it does matter than the information you are spewing refers to drone strikes.

How big if an imbecile are you?

Obama killed a shitload of terrorists
Too bad for them

Yeah, wedding guests are known to be terrorists.

Fog of war

How many innocents get killed by carpet bombing or military invasion?

Bush took over two countries and got over 100,000 killed
I’ll take Obama’s Drones

Most of them were killed by Jihadi terrorists, not the US military.

 

[Brain357]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

Trump had every reason not to trust anyone. Members of his administration were constantly stabbing him in the back. Your claims about totally lacking in empathy or morality are total horseshit, of course. Your claim about him making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation is also total horseshit. The Dims showed they were willing to fuck the entire country so they could gain power, and that's what they did. In short, all the leading Dims are sociopaths and con artists.

You fell for it.

He's only going to hire the best. You believe the stupidest shit.

Are you accusing me of believing he would only hire the best? I hardly believe that. Trump thought he was hiring the best, but a lot of them turned out to be back stabbers.

No they proved to be patriots. The guy is a giant failure and they put country before themselves.

Stabbing your commander in chief in the back is not an act of patriotism. Virtually everything you post is a lie.

It is when the commander in chief is a giant failure. They tried to help him be decent, but he's too big a failure. Giant deficits, huge bailouts, most pandemic deaths, couldn't hit 3% gdp growth, tariffs that hurt manufacturing....

Pissing you off does not make him a failure. In fact it means he is a success.

They didn't try to help him. They tried to fuck him.

As usual, you're trying to blame him for the effects of the Dim demanded shutdown. That only proves that you're a sleazy lying douchebag.

Who are you trying to fool?

No that is all the effects of trump policy. Like all trumpers you deny reality.

 

[bripat9643]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

Trump had every reason not to trust anyone. Members of his administration were constantly stabbing him in the back. Your claims about totally lacking in empathy or morality are total horseshit, of course. Your claim about him making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation is also total horseshit. The Dims showed they were willing to fuck the entire country so they could gain power, and that's what they did. In short, all the leading Dims are sociopaths and con artists.

You fell for it.

He's only going to hire the best. You believe the stupidest shit.

Are you accusing me of believing he would only hire the best? I hardly believe that. Trump thought he was hiring the best, but a lot of them turned out to be back stabbers.

No they proved to be patriots. The guy is a giant failure and they put country before themselves.

Stabbing your commander in chief in the back is not an act of patriotism. Virtually everything you post is a lie.

It is when the commander in chief is a giant failure. They tried to help him be decent, but he's too big a failure. Giant deficits, huge bailouts, most pandemic deaths, couldn't hit 3% gdp growth, tariffs that hurt manufacturing....

Pissing you off does not make him a failure. In fact it means he is a success.

They didn't try to help him. They tried to fuck him.

As usual, you're trying to blame him for the effects of the Dim demanded shutdown. That only proves that you're a sleazy lying douchebag.

Who are you trying to fool?

No that is all the effects of trump policy. Like all trumpers you deny reality.

Wrong, turd. those are the effects of the Dim shutdown.

 

[Brain357]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

Trump had every reason not to trust anyone. Members of his administration were constantly stabbing him in the back. Your claims about totally lacking in empathy or morality are total horseshit, of course. Your claim about him making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation is also total horseshit. The Dims showed they were willing to fuck the entire country so they could gain power, and that's what they did. In short, all the leading Dims are sociopaths and con artists.

You fell for it.

He's only going to hire the best. You believe the stupidest shit.

Are you accusing me of believing he would only hire the best? I hardly believe that. Trump thought he was hiring the best, but a lot of them turned out to be back stabbers.

No they proved to be patriots. The guy is a giant failure and they put country before themselves.

Stabbing your commander in chief in the back is not an act of patriotism. Virtually everything you post is a lie.

It is when the commander in chief is a giant failure. They tried to help him be decent, but he's too big a failure. Giant deficits, huge bailouts, most pandemic deaths, couldn't hit 3% gdp growth, tariffs that hurt manufacturing....

Pissing you off does not make him a failure. In fact it means he is a success.

They didn't try to help him. They tried to fuck him.

As usual, you're trying to blame him for the effects of the Dim demanded shutdown. That only proves that you're a sleazy lying douchebag.

Who are you trying to fool?

While I am no fan of Donald Trump, the points you touch on are important to highlite given the OP's implicit claim that Trump was somehow a failure.

I don't know if he was or he wasn't, history will add to that conversation over time.

That people don't like what he did does not have sway in his success/failure evaluation.

You judge based on facts.

If these people were high school teachers it seems like you'd pass or fail chemistry based on the color of the shirts you wore to class.

The fact that Dims hate him with a passion is a clear indicator that he accomplished his goals. Putting a stop to the leftwing establishment was his main goal. That's why they are so pissed.

His goal was to wreck the country? Make obama look fiscally responsible? Give us the most pandemic deaths? Have the biggest bailouts? You are such an idiot you can't recognize failure.

 

[Brain357]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Although neither of these men were good presidents there is major difference between them.
GWB had a strong sense of morality and empathy but lacked the management and diplomatic skills needed so he trusted others who simple provided bad advice which he followed. Trump on the other hand, is totally lacking in empathy or morality and unlike GWB, trusted no one. He ran his administration exactly the way he ran the the Trump Organization making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation. In short, he's sociopath and conman.

Trump had every reason not to trust anyone. Members of his administration were constantly stabbing him in the back. Your claims about totally lacking in empathy or morality are total horseshit, of course. Your claim about him making decisions that he believed served his own interests, not that of the nation is also total horseshit. The Dims showed they were willing to fuck the entire country so they could gain power, and that's what they did. In short, all the leading Dims are sociopaths and con artists.

You fell for it.

He's only going to hire the best. You believe the stupidest shit.

Are you accusing me of believing he would only hire the best? I hardly believe that. Trump thought he was hiring the best, but a lot of them turned out to be back stabbers.

No they proved to be patriots. The guy is a giant failure and they put country before themselves.

Stabbing your commander in chief in the back is not an act of patriotism. Virtually everything you post is a lie.

It is when the commander in chief is a giant failure. They tried to help him be decent, but he's too big a failure. Giant deficits, huge bailouts, most pandemic deaths, couldn't hit 3% gdp growth, tariffs that hurt manufacturing....

Pissing you off does not make him a failure. In fact it means he is a success.

They didn't try to help him. They tried to fuck him.

As usual, you're trying to blame him for the effects of the Dim demanded shutdown. That only proves that you're a sleazy lying douchebag.

Who are you trying to fool?

No that is all the effects of trump policy. Like all trumpers you deny reality.

Wrong, turd. those are the effects of the Dim shutdown.

WTF are you even talking about? There is no shutdown. The deficits are because trump cut taxes and increased military spending. Your stupidity seems to know no bounds.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Obama

Yeah this biased troll has no interest in the facts that the thread SHOULD say Bigger failure,Bush or Obama like any objective poster would have made,those two warmonger mass murderers ran the two most corrupt administrations ever.Bush started the illegal war in the Mideast then Obama expanded upon it.Obama expanded on the patriot act that gives the NSA authority to illegally spy on us.

that’s the REAL question to be asked here,which one of those two mass murderers ran the most corrupt administration ever.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Obama

To say Obama was a bigger failure than Bush, is just not a reality. Bush failed at everything he did and the results prove that.

You have proven yourself a partisan hack.

No he just isn’t an idiot like you which I just proved in spades.he is correct that Obama is the much better choice shill.

 

[rightwinger]

Anyway we cut it, Donald J Trump will go down as perhaps our worst President.
His antics will be the stuff of legend
As will his failures

Not by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together.

As bad as History will rate Trump, those who supported him will go down as worse

 

[Brain357]

Anyway we cut it, Donald J Trump will go down as perhaps our worst President.
His antics will be the stuff of legend
As will his failures

Not by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together.

As bad as History will rate Trump, those who supported him will go down as worse

Nah, just a bunch of conned fools.

 

[rightwinger]

Anyway we cut it, Donald J Trump will go down as perhaps our worst President.
His antics will be the stuff of legend
As will his failures

Not by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together.

As bad as History will rate Trump, those who supported him will go down as worse

Nah, just a bunch of conned fools.

Future generations will look at Trump supporters and scratch their heads

WTF were they thinking?

 

[airplanemechanic]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

Obama was the worst. Obama presided over the worse economic downturn since the great depression and the slowest recovery since WW2. But liberals think he was good because he forced Obamacare down our throats.

Bush inherited Clintons dot-com recession and the budget was never balanced much less a surplus. Quit spewing lies you fucking liberal. So by all means post a chart of the national debt and show where it stopped and got less under Clinton. Otherwise retract your fucking lies. In no year did the debt go down nor did Clinton leave Bush with anything close to a surplus.

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

www.craigsteiner.us

 

[2aguy]

Bush's biggest failing (other than the fact he was a conservative which I wouldn't like anyway) was Iraq. If you subtract that, he was competent, professional, and he had a moral compass (his reason for not pardoning Libby for example, despite pressure from Cheney). I think, over time history will be a little kinder to him as it also has been to Carter though he will probably rank near the bottom. Trump, with his now complete abdication of his job and duties, is far worse and has left a very tangled legacy that we likely won't realize for years.

GW was solely responsible for the housing crash as well as the trespasser invasion, business visa invasion and 25,000 factories leaving the US.

Wrong, clinton and the democrats caused the housing crash you dumb fuck......by forcing banks to give loans to people they knew would never be able to pay them back, and then, when GW tried to fix the problem, barney frank and his buddies told him there wasn't a problem and blocked him from taking action...

You dumb fuck.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

GWB, one of the worst presidents in US history. Bush inherited a balanced budget with a projected stimulus and left with a total financial meltdown and a massive gov deficit shortfall. Add in 2 failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failed Katrina respionse and you have a typical GOP presidency... total failure.


Trump, one of the most insane presidents in US history. The Trump Covid "plan"/response will go down as the biggest blunder in the entire history of America... What a feat. On top of that Trump has bankrupted the US government leaving us with crippling deficits and an economy reliant on multi-trillion dollar aid packages.

Which president is the bigger failure, it is a very hard question to answer. I am leaning Bush, but they are both so bad...

Trump’s Failed Coronavirus Response Part 2

In February he knew COVID-19 was dangerous, but he intentionally downplayed it. In March he didn’t want to be held responsible for it. He told governors they were responsible for getting ventilators...

robertreich.org

GWB--hands down. But, if we are going to included the wars here and that is what we are using then it should be brought up there were 6 countries that were bombed under Obama's watch.

Additionally, where we would automatically nail Bush II on things such as the use of faith based organizations receiving funding then we would have to go back to what was happening under Clinton and the Charitable Choice Act of 1996 which was also promoted by Obama. Heavily.

And if we really wanted to get serious on the absolute worst president why are we not looking at Jimmy Carter's directive from 1973 to provide secret aid to the opponents of pro-Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

I love the shallow thinking involved in this game.

not going to comment on the last paragraph sense there have been many presidents worse than him but the first two paragraphs were spot on in what I was saying that Bush was ten times worse and the gay homo Kenyon Obama was probably even worse than bush.

 

[Quasar44]

Trump has been , by far , the best president since RR

 

[Quasar44]

Bush was a complete buffoon

 

[gipper]

Anyway we cut it, Donald J Trump will go down as perhaps our worst President.
His antics will be the stuff of legend
As will his failures

Not by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together.

As bad as History will rate Trump, those who supported him will go down as worse

So half the country is worse. Okay.