Biden destroyed these female athletes' opportunities and dreams

[RealDave]

...it tells you how LOW America has come as country--letting fruitcake males compete against females

The only fruitcakes are the ignorant people like you.

 

[Correll]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

I've heard differently but can't be bothered to do the research so I am withdrawing the point.

Really? You “heard” somewhere that shunning a trans child doesn’t lead to more suicide? Yeah, okay.

Correct.

 

[Orangecat]

Run faster!

Regardless, track probably won't be your career. You will have one less trophy, that you will blame on a transgender athlete. Get pissy as hell girl, about something that no one but you will ever remember. Or, run faster.

Now let's extrapolate that attitude to things like poverty and reparations. Just earn more.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Run faster!

Regardless, track probably won't be your career. You will have one less trophy, that you will blame on a transgender athlete. Get pissy as hell girl, about something that no one but you will ever remember. Or, run faster.

One can always count on you to hit the bottom of the barrel.


What is your astute advice to Serena?

“John McEnroe Says Serena Williams Would Be the 700th Best Men’s Tennis Player”

John McEnroe: Serena Would Be the 700th Best Men’s Player

"If she played the men's circuit she'd be like 700 in the world"

time.com

More:
​

What happened to girl power? Australia's national women's soccer team the Matildas lose 7-0 to an under FIFTEENS boys' side

Australian women soccer team Matildas played Newcastle Jets u/15 boys

The match played in Newcastle saw the Matildas thrashed 7-0 by the boys

Matildas were without their international stars but still had plenty of talent

The girls play New Zealand in a friendly next month in preparation for Rio

Matildas lose 7-0 to under-15s boys side



FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

In preparation for two upcoming friendlies against Russia, the U.S. women’s national team played the FC Dallas U-15 boys academy team on Sunday and fell 5-2, according to FC Dallas’ official website.

FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage

 

[d0gbreath]

Serena Williams would beat John McEnroe so badly that he'd need to be hospitalized.
I do realize he's much older.

I also remember him as the biggest mouthed, racket throwing-est, tantrum baby ever to step onto a court.

Also; this just in: No one gives a hoot about fútbol in the USA.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Serena Williams would beat John McEnroe so badly that he'd need to be hospitalized.
I do realize he's much older.

I also remember him as the biggest mouthed, racket throwing-est, tantrum baby ever to step onto a court.

Also; this just in: No one gives a hoot about fútbol in the USA.

Imagine ......if only you had two cerebral neurons to rub together.....how different your posts would be.

 

[shoshi]

How does the medical examiner tell if a burned body was male or female. Bone structure. Call yourself whatever you want you are still male or female.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Wouldn't it be cool if a man won an Olympic medal and then 4 years later won a medal as a woman?Put his male photo on the front of Wheaties and his female photo on the back of the box.

Bruce Jenner was too early or he could have done it.

HE is a fcking loon

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Serena Williams would beat John McEnroe so badly that he'd need to be hospitalized.
I do realize he's much older.

I also remember him as the biggest mouthed, racket throwing-est, tantrum baby ever to step onto a court.

Also; this just in: No one gives a hoot about fútbol in the USA.

Imagine ......if only you had two cerebral neurons to rub together.....how different your posts would be.



View attachment 461233

That's one ugly dude

 

[PoliticalChic]

Serena Williams would beat John McEnroe so badly that he'd need to be hospitalized.
I do realize he's much older.

I also remember him as the biggest mouthed, racket throwing-est, tantrum baby ever to step onto a court.

Also; this just in: No one gives a hoot about fútbol in the USA.

Imagine ......if only you had two cerebral neurons to rub together.....how different your posts would be.



View attachment 461233

That's one ugly dude

"He" is no calendar prospect.

 

[Brain357]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

It’s probably not a choice children should be making. How about they love who they are?

They can’t love who they are until they can become their true selves.

It really does often come down to a parent having to decide whether they want a live daughter or a dead son (or vice versa).

They should be able to. Lots of kids in wheelchairs want to walk, but they can still be happy.

 

[Brain357]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

And having that "wrong body" means that boys pretending to be girls are going to have an unfair advantage over biological girls. They can think they're girls all day long, but we shouldn't penalize biological girls by allowing boys to dominate girls' sports.

16 states allow transgender youth to participate in sports in the gender that they associate with. Show where these trans students are “dominating sports”.

Every state separates boys and girls sports. Seems to be working fine. Not worried about fairness for girl athletes?

 

[hadit]

Wouldn't it be cool if a man won an Olympic medal and then 4 years later won a medal as a woman?Put his male photo on the front of Wheaties and his female photo on the back of the box.

Bruce Jenner was too early or he could have done it.

HE is a fcking loon

But he could have easily done it. If his body could defeat the men, it certainly could defeat the women, even with hormone treatment. And we know he wanted to be a woman.

 

[Seawytch]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

And having that "wrong body" means that boys pretending to be girls are going to have an unfair advantage over biological girls. They can think they're girls all day long, but we shouldn't penalize biological girls by allowing boys to dominate girls' sports.

16 states allow transgender youth to participate in sports in the gender that they associate with. Show where these trans students are “dominating sports”.

Every state separates boys and girls sports. Seems to be working fine. Not worried about fairness for girl athletes?

No, I’m not. Nobody has yet to show where these young trans women hold an advantage. 16 states allow trans athletes to compete in school sports as the gender they associate with. Show examples of cisgender girls losing scholarships or otherwise being disadvantaged by competing with trans girls.

 

[Seawytch]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

It’s probably not a choice children should be making. How about they love who they are?

They can’t love who they are until they can become their true selves.

It really does often come down to a parent having to decide whether they want a live daughter or a dead son (or vice versa).

They should be able to. Lots of kids in wheelchairs want to walk, but they can still be happy.

Hopefully you will never have to find out it’s not the same. Kids try and cut their own penises off.

 

[Seawytch]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

I've heard differently but can't be bothered to do the research so I am withdrawing the point.

Really? You “heard” somewhere that shunning a trans child doesn’t lead to more suicide? Yeah, okay.

Correct.

Then you heard something really stupid.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

If leftist dimwits (like Biden) are all for letting high school girls compete against their biological and
physiological opposites, males, lets take down ALL the biological barriers and do away with artificial gender distinctions.

No more men's and women's basketball. From now on there is only basketball...period!
No more men's and women's tennis. Now there is only tennis...period!
No more men's and women's boxing. Now there are only boxers, weightlifters, hockey players, track athletes,
swimmers, soccer players, wrestlers...period!

No more softball or lady's golf tees or best of three sets. Everyone plays to one standard if Biden's
dictatorial edicts are made the standard. Why should teenaged girls be the only one's to get the
Biden shaft.

 

[Correll]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

I've heard differently but can't be bothered to do the research so I am withdrawing the point.

Really? You “heard” somewhere that shunning a trans child doesn’t lead to more suicide? Yeah, okay.

Correct.

Then you heard something really stupid.

I'm not the one that thinks that boys don't have an athletic advantage over girls.

 

[Brain357]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

It’s probably not a choice children should be making. How about they love who they are?

They can’t love who they are until they can become their true selves.

It really does often come down to a parent having to decide whether they want a live daughter or a dead son (or vice versa).

They should be able to. Lots of kids in wheelchairs want to walk, but they can still be happy.

Hopefully you will never have to find out it’s not the same. Kids try and cut their own penises off.

And what’s different? Lots of kids deal with things that they can not do. Cutting a pen is off doesn’t make a boy a girl. Seems they aren’t getting the correct treatment if they would do that.

 

[Seawytch]

I gotta say that is fucking hilarious, Not what happened to the girls but when it happened. 2017 and 2019. But it's Biden's EO in 2021 that destroyed them?

On the issue, I think girls should be able to move up in class and compete with the boys but not the other way around.

I do love that as of 1/19/2020....you couldn't get two guys anywhere in the world to discuss women's /girls sports. Regardless of the dude's political leanings, their race, color, creed, age, etc. There was no place in the universe where two men gave a collective single shit about women's sports.

But now...we have like 12 threads on it and right wing mouth breathing knuckle draggers are acting like they care.

This is how the rightwing really feels:

From 2010:

...The vast majority of college sports programs LOSE MONEY, big time. Especially with the bizarre requirements of Title IX, which requires multiple wimmin's sports about which no one but the players, coaches, and their parents gives a shit?

They still don't care about girls or women's sports.

For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness,​

I care about fairness.

No you don't or you would require that all competitors come from the same social/economical background, are all the same height, weight and have the same exact muscle mass.

Some basketball players have acromegaly, a hormonal condition that results in very large hands and feet. This condition is surely a genetic advantage in the sport, but players with acromegaly are not banned.​

​

Some doctors speculate that Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps has Marfan syndrome, a genetic condition that results in the long, flexible arms and legs that made Phelps such a force in the pool. Major league baseball players tend to have extraordinary eyesight, which allows them to see the seams on a tiny ball hurtling toward them at high speeds and hit it with greater success than those with poorer vision.​

​

In all these ways, sports aren't fair and yet, these types of inequalities are not just acceptable, but mostly unnoticed. For those like Republican legislators in Montana and other states, the real reason for clinging to the necessity of gender testing isn't about fairness, but the need to protect and reinforce the idea of gender itself.​

YOur excuses for pretending to not understand that boys and girls are different, is well done.


Letting girls compete against girls, gives athletic girls a "fair" chance. Yes, not all girls have a shot, but some of them do.


Putting boys in the mix, takes that away from them.

They aren't boys. They are trans girls. Read up on Renee Richards.

Boys are boys. Girls are girls. People with mental problems don't magically change.

Transgendered individuals are not "people with mental problems". It is the 21st century. Some "boys and girls" were born into the wrong body. Fortunately, science can fix that for them and even more fortunately they are getting more support for it from family and friends.

Just another issue where the right wingers are on the wrong side of history.

Funny how that increased support doesn't seem to decrease their suicide attempts.


That Tide of History you feel so good about being on the side of? It's called "Decline and Fall".

You find suicide funny?

Actually, increased support does lead to fewer suicides.

Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada - BMC Public Health

Background Across Europe, Canada, and the United States, 22–43 % of transgender (trans) people report a history of suicide attempts. We aimed to identify intervenable factors (related to social inclusion, transphobia, or sex/gender transition) associated with reduced risk of past-year suicide...

bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com

Results​

Among trans Ontarians, 35.1 % (95 % CI: 27.6, 42.5) seriously considered, and 11.2 % (95 % CI: 6.0, 16.4) attempted, suicide in the past year. Social support, reduced transphobia, and having any personal identification documents changed to an appropriate sex designation were associated with large relative and absolute reductions in suicide risk, as was completing a medical transition through hormones and/or surgeries (when needed). Parental support for gender identity was associated with reduced ideation. Lower self-reported transphobia (10th versus 90th percentile) was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation (RR = 0.34, 95 % CI: 0.17, 0.67), and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation (RR = 0.24; 95 % CI: 0.07, 0.82). This corresponds to potential prevention of 160 ideations per 1000 trans persons, and 200 attempts per 1,000 with ideation, based on a hypothetical reduction of transphobia from current levels to the 10th percentile.​

​

Conclusions​

Large effect sizes were observed for this controlled analysis of intervenable factors, suggesting that interventions to increase social inclusion and access to medical transition, and to reduce transphobia, have the potential to contribute to substantial reductions in the extremely high prevalences of suicide ideation and attempts within trans populations. Such interventions at the population level may require policy change.​

First study I've heard of that claims that. We will see if it stands up over time.

You read a lot of studies about transgender issues do you? Well, you’re missing a lot of them.

Puberty blockers linked to lower suicide risk for transgender people

The finding suggests that a major — and politically controversial — aspect of trans health care for minors could help reduce the community’s disproportionate suicide risk.

www.nbcnews.com

Accepting Adults Reduce Suicide Attempts Among LGBTQ Youth | The Trevor Project

LGBTQ youth who report having at least one accepting adult were 40% less likely to report a suicide attempt in the past year.

www.thetrevorproject.org

Can't be bothered to do counter research. I withdraw the point.

There is no counter research. It’s simple logic. If you accept and love your trans child, they are going to be less likely to want to commit suicide, duh. Some parents have to decide do they want a dead son or a live daughter.

I've heard differently but can't be bothered to do the research so I am withdrawing the point.

Really? You “heard” somewhere that shunning a trans child doesn’t lead to more suicide? Yeah, okay.

Correct.

Then you heard something really stupid.

I'm not the one that thinks that boys don't have an athletic advantage over girls.

16 states allow transgendered athletes to compete in the gender that they are comfortable with. Show me the advantage these trans athletes have. Show me where they have gotten scholarships and the cisgender students have not. Show me where these trans students are dominating the field that in which they are competing.