Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

[The Great Goose]

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

I think the problem here is you're confusing social obligations with laws. As for kids working, I'm all for it. I was working since the age of 12. Nothing wrong with it.

In fact me and a coworker of mine were discussing this issue yesterday. He said he's ashamed of his generation because they are so Fn lazy. These millennials don't want to work and if they do, expect the easiest and highest paying job possible. Other than that, they won't work.

His claim is that most of his friends and school mates never worked a job in their life until they got out of school. They had no idea what working was all about. They actually thought that when you finally get a job, it's optional whether you want to show up on any particular day or not.

I worked in the berry patches when we were 9 and we loved it. I bought a cassette deck from that money and was proud that I could save up and earn the deck.

Lol, that sure takes me back.

My father was a bricklayer and took me on side jobs in the summer evenings and on the weekends. Back then, he paid me one dollar an hour. I was mixing cement, carrying bricks and blocks, I was cleaning tools, everything.

As I got older I was able to do more work, so of course he paid me more than one dollar an hour. At the end of one summer, I asked him to come to the basement to see what I did with all the money I earned. He about crapped himself. I bought a Marshall 100 amplifier for my guitar, and his jaw dropped. He said "THAT'S WHAT BOUGHT WITH ALL THAT HARD WORK ALL SUMMER?"

Rent is a killer.

 

[P@triot]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

When you were a kid, people actually worked for a living to have those things. They didn't try to mooch off of society like the modern-day liberal.

By the way - it's liberal policy that is responsible for the income gap (which has grown massively under the 8 years of the Obama reign of terror). That's not by accident. That's what liberal policy does. It brings everyone down into poverty and attempts to place them permanently on the government plantation.

Thanks so much for offering your opinion, its always nice to read the proclamations of a mental masturbator, since no effort to study and evaluate the evidence is ever necessary, and the opinion(s) can be dismissed with a shake of the head and a wry smile.

The truth is a real *****....isn't it?

 

[JoeNormal]

Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

Translation: I can't prove there's anything wrong with it, or even find any evidence that the rich people somehow stole from the poor people. But if I keep telling the same lie over and over, my mentor says that people will believe it and it will become The Truth. And enough people might get fooled into voting for me, that I'll win anyway.

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income when productivity has exploded over those years, what's your explanation for what has changed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

Translation: I can't prove there's anything wrong with it, or even find any evidence that the rich people somehow stole from the poor people. But if I keep telling the same lie over and over, my mentor says that people will believe it and it will become The Truth. And enough people might get fooled into voting for me, that I'll win anyway.

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income when productivity has exploded over those years, what's your explanation for what has changed?

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income

Can you prove their lifestyle was better 40 years ago?

 

[P@triot]

Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

Translation: I can't prove there's anything wrong with it, or even find any evidence that the rich people somehow stole from the poor people. But if I keep telling the same lie over and over, my mentor says that people will believe it and it will become The Truth. And enough people might get fooled into voting for me, that I'll win anyway.

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income when productivity has exploded over those years, what's your explanation for what has changed?

We've sadly injected more liberal socialism into policy. And it creates collapse. Just ask Detroit. Over 60 years of liberal utopia - a Democrat mayor all of those years, a Democrat-controlled city council all of those years, plus massive unions like the UAW and teacher unions. And what does the city have to show for that? Poverty. Famine. Misery. The place is like a third-world hell-hole now thanks to liberalism.

 

[The Great Goose]

Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

Translation: I can't prove there's anything wrong with it, or even find any evidence that the rich people somehow stole from the poor people. But if I keep telling the same lie over and over, my mentor says that people will believe it and it will become The Truth. And enough people might get fooled into voting for me, that I'll win anyway.

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income when productivity has exploded over those years, what's your explanation for what has changed?

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income

Can you prove their lifestyle was better 40 years ago?

You are left wing YET fighting workers rights!

 

[Fenton Lum]

"Sick ****. It's the pursuit of happiness and being free. You can make all you can make. Damn libtards are pos. **** Bernie Sanders up his commie asshole. You goddam idiots are determined to turn the US into a 3rd world shit hole."

Look at any 3rd world shithole. What do you find in terms of societal wealth extraction, wealth redistribution to the top, and wealth disparity?

 

[Fenton Lum]

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

And a kid could go to college without submitting to debt peonage. And we didn't promote a state of permanent war sucking up trillions for private govt contract firms and arms/weaponry dealers. And we had not yet returned to profiting off of bondage with 25% of the planet's incarcerated population in for profit corporate prisons. All of which also meant meant we didn't outsource the raising of our children and the caring of our elders.

Leaving aside a snide exchange about what is "right" versus "wrong", it does not make for a healthy society and in the long run it is unsustainable. There will be a perturbation.

 

[Slade3200]

You ask who gave me the authority to tell a business what to do... I answer The Government, the voice of the people that voted them to lead... You call it a mob

Well, at least you admit it. Of course, the mob has no legitimate authority at all. No matter whether you call it the majority of "the voice of the people" it still amounts to the same thing: a bigger gang imposing its will on the rest of the people. It's the morality of "might makes right," and nothing more.

You state: "...some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable."

THATS YOUR MOB

Now I ask you... Who gave YOU the authority to say a business can do whatever they want as the operate in the USA? On what authority can you say that?

It's "my mob?" I don't even know what the means. You're the one who cites the mob as the ultimate authority on moral issues. Why does anyone need "authority" to do what they want when they aren't aggressing against anyone else? You obviously believe that anything not expressly permitted is denied, that we need permission from some "authority" each time we sell something we have produced or we take a crap. Why should anyone need permission to do anything that isn't intruding on the person or property of others?

For some reason you think we live in a completely free country. We are all slaves to the man in one way or another. That goes for just about everyone in this world. Some live in a survival of the fittest type of environment and others live in civilized societies. The price that comes for civilization and protection is loss of freedom through the rule of law.

You say my majority is a mob that has no right to tell others what to do... I explained why they do.
But I ask you... What gives you the right to say that we have no obligation to follow the rule of law in a country that protects us and that provides an infrastructure of propsperity, opportunity and a fair, equal, inclusive environment for all?

Can the government make anything fair and equal?

What the hell does fair and equal mean?

Companies getting government grants and loans while others don't is far from fair and equal.

Looking to the government for safety is also a silly idea. They can claim safety but many laws are not for safety, the are reactionary to a recent event.

Government is all about placating the masses into a false sense of security.

You are correct that we don't live in a fair world. There is plenty of corruption and imbalance in our system that we need to improve in. I simply do not agree with the rest of your statement. I think regulations are a pain in the ass but I understand their purpose and see their value.

Do you really think the food we eat or the drugs we take would be as safe as it is today without the standards set? Do you think our buildings would be as safe without building inspectors making sure they are up to code? Just think it through before you give the anti government knee jerk reaction. I'm not just making shit up

Again, you can claim safety, but many of the laws have nothing to do with safety. I'd didn't say ALL laws. I said many. The reactionary laws are usually overbearing and add no safety to the business, the employees or the consumer, yet the cost to business, employees and consumers is added. So, I'm not anti-government, that is your ASSumption and it is incorrect. I also said never said you make shit up, I'm not sure why you would post that, very strange. You seem to inject your ASSumptions which are based on your emotional bias.

It seems I have thought it through, I'm not sure by your ASSumptions that you have.

Government tilts the scales on who survives and who doesn't. That isn't in the interest of safety, that is in the interest of special Wall St. Interests that are made possible by Democrats and Republicans. Sad they can't stay out of open markets.

Not assuming anything, just responding to your words. You said government regulations providing safety is a silly idea. I disagree. I do agree that not all regulations are necessary and could use reform. My comment about making shit up wasn't directed at you... I was simply saying that there is a basis for my comments

 

[Slade3200]

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

Oh good grief. More all or nothing nonsense.

Can't handle a point that makes sense huh? Read the conversation. If a person can't acknowledge the need for any governement regulation in business then how do you have a discussion about specifics? I'm not the one doing the all or nothing, I'm responding to a poster that thinks there should be no governement regulations or laws on our businesses.

In other words, if they don't concede all your premises, then you are unable to make an argument. That shows the weakness of your position, not theirs.

What are you talking about? You're not making sense

 

[Slade3200]

Fair practice, safety standards, workers rights etc... Do you not know these things?

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

I think the problem here is you're confusing social obligations with laws. As for kids working, I'm all for it. I was working since the age of 12. Nothing wrong with it.

In fact me and a coworker of mine were discussing this issue yesterday. He said he's ashamed of his generation because they are so Fn lazy. These millennials don't want to work and if they do, expect the easiest and highest paying job possible. Other than that, they won't work.

His claim is that most of his friends and school mates never worked a job in their life until they got out of school. They had no idea what working was all about. They actually thought that when you finally get a job, it's optional whether you want to show up on any particular day or not.

I have nothing against children working. I do have a problem with how they work over seas in the sweatshops for pennies on the dollar. When there is more demand than supply in the workforce then the lower skilled works can easily be taken advantage of and that's what our governement regulations help prevent. I'm all for it and would be foolish to think that abuse would not happen of businesses were completely free to do whatever they want

 

[Slade3200]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

Translation: I can't prove there's anything wrong with it, or even find any evidence that the rich people somehow stole from the poor people. But if I keep telling the same lie over and over, my mentor says that people will believe it and it will become The Truth. And enough people might get fooled into voting for me, that I'll win anyway.

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income when productivity has exploded over those years, what's your explanation for what has changed?

If average people could have a better lifestyle 40 years ago on one income

Can you prove their lifestyle was better 40 years ago?

You are left wing YET fighting workers rights!

I'm neither.

 

[Norman]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

I am seeing that you are dumb.


This guy owns his property, the government doesn't own yours the last time I checked.

He has a voluntary contract with his tenants, while the government just assumes it owns everything, and throws people in prison for not following.

0/10

 

[Papageorgio]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

I am seeing that you are dumb.


This guy owns his property, the government doesn't own yours the last time I checked.

He has a voluntary contract with his tenants, while the government just assumes it owns everything, and throws people in prison for not following.

0/10

The government owns your property. Don't pay your property tax and see what happens.


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[The Great Goose]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

I am seeing that you are dumb.


This guy owns his property, the government doesn't own yours the last time I checked.

He has a voluntary contract with his tenants, while the government just assumes it owns everything, and throws people in prison for not following.

0/10

The government owns your property. Don't pay your property tax and see what happens.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I know right.

 

[Norman]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

I am seeing that you are dumb.


This guy owns his property, the government doesn't own yours the last time I checked.

He has a voluntary contract with his tenants, while the government just assumes it owns everything, and throws people in prison for not following.

0/10

The government owns your property. Don't pay your property tax and see what happens.


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And where did it get this right?

Social contract?

Let's not justify this shit...

 

[bripat9643]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

There's no comparison. He owns the property his tenants are renting. The federal government doesn't own the United States, and it sure as hell doesn't own my property.

There is no parallel. The government isn't our landlord.

 

[Slade3200]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

I am seeing that you are dumb.


This guy owns his property, the government doesn't own yours the last time I checked.

He has a voluntary contract with his tenants, while the government just assumes it owns everything, and throws people in prison for not following.

0/10

The government doesn't own my property? Really? Why do I pay property taxes?

You somehow think that you are completely free to live in a land that our army led by our governement fought and bled to conquer and own. You don't own anything but your underwear and your toothbrush etc. And you call me dumb.

 

[Norman]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

You are to the government as your tenants are to you... Don't you see that. You complain about having to follow the governments rules while expecting your tenants to succumb to your rules. You say if your tenants don't like your rules they can live somewhere else. Same goes for you. If you don't like our governement rules the. You can live somewhere else.... You seeing the parallel now?

I am seeing that you are dumb.


This guy owns his property, the government doesn't own yours the last time I checked.

He has a voluntary contract with his tenants, while the government just assumes it owns everything, and throws people in prison for not following.

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The government doesn't own my property? Really? Why do I pay property taxes?

You somehow think that you are completely free to live in a land that our army led by our governement fought and bled to conquer and own. You don't own anything but your underwear and your toothbrush etc. And you call me dumb.

So you are a communist?