Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

[Slade3200]

Fair practice, safety standards, workers rights etc... Do you not know these things?

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

 

[Rustic]

In other words, the mob did. The majority has no legitimate authority to tell a business what to do. I realize you're perfectly content to let the mob do whatever it wants and to avoid thinking, but some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable.

So basically your argument is that your mob is right and the laws that have been passed by the elected officials aka our government is wrong?? Are you seeing the flaw here?

"My mob?" I don't have a mob. I do claim the government is wrong. Who are you to say it is not? Where is the "flaw?"

You ask who gave me the authority to tell a business what to do... I answer The Government, the voice of the people that voted them to lead... You call it a mob

Well, at least you admit it. Of course, the mob has no legitimate authority at all. No matter whether you call it the majority of "the voice of the people" it still amounts to the same thing: a bigger gang imposing its will on the rest of the people. It's the morality of "might makes right," and nothing more.

You state: "...some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable."

THATS YOUR MOB

Now I ask you... Who gave YOU the authority to say a business can do whatever they want as the operate in the USA? On what authority can you say that?

It's "my mob?" I don't even know what the means. You're the one who cites the mob as the ultimate authority on moral issues. Why does anyone need "authority" to do what they want when they aren't aggressing against anyone else? You obviously believe that anything not expressly permitted is denied, that we need permission from some "authority" each time we sell something we have produced or we take a crap. Why should anyone need permission to do anything that isn't intruding on the person or property of others?

For some reason you think we live in a completely free country. We are all slaves to the man in one way or another. That goes for just about everyone in this world. Some live in a survival of the fittest type of environment and others live in civilized societies. The price that comes for civilization and protection is loss of freedom through the rule of law.

You say my majority is a mob that has no right to tell others what to do... I explained why they do.
But I ask you... What gives you the right to say that we have no obligation to follow the rule of law in a country that protects us and that provides an infrastructure of propsperity, opportunity and a fair, equal, inclusive environment for all?

Federal government has no moral credibility… LOL

 

[Wry Catcher]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Fair practice, safety standards, workers rights etc... Do you not know these things?

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

Oh good grief. More all or nothing nonsense.

 

[Slade3200]

So basically your argument is that your mob is right and the laws that have been passed by the elected officials aka our government is wrong?? Are you seeing the flaw here?

"My mob?" I don't have a mob. I do claim the government is wrong. Who are you to say it is not? Where is the "flaw?"

You ask who gave me the authority to tell a business what to do... I answer The Government, the voice of the people that voted them to lead... You call it a mob

Well, at least you admit it. Of course, the mob has no legitimate authority at all. No matter whether you call it the majority of "the voice of the people" it still amounts to the same thing: a bigger gang imposing its will on the rest of the people. It's the morality of "might makes right," and nothing more.

You state: "...some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable."

THATS YOUR MOB

Now I ask you... Who gave YOU the authority to say a business can do whatever they want as the operate in the USA? On what authority can you say that?

It's "my mob?" I don't even know what the means. You're the one who cites the mob as the ultimate authority on moral issues. Why does anyone need "authority" to do what they want when they aren't aggressing against anyone else? You obviously believe that anything not expressly permitted is denied, that we need permission from some "authority" each time we sell something we have produced or we take a crap. Why should anyone need permission to do anything that isn't intruding on the person or property of others?

For some reason you think we live in a completely free country. We are all slaves to the man in one way or another. That goes for just about everyone in this world. Some live in a survival of the fittest type of environment and others live in civilized societies. The price that comes for civilization and protection is loss of freedom through the rule of law.

You say my majority is a mob that has no right to tell others what to do... I explained why they do.
But I ask you... What gives you the right to say that we have no obligation to follow the rule of law in a country that protects us and that provides an infrastructure of propsperity, opportunity and a fair, equal, inclusive environment for all?

Federal government has no moral credibility… LOL

Ok man, think it's time for you to hang it up here... You're grabbing at straws. Your distaste for the institution of our government is noted.

 

[Papageorgio]

In other words, the mob did. The majority has no legitimate authority to tell a business what to do. I realize you're perfectly content to let the mob do whatever it wants and to avoid thinking, but some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable.

So basically your argument is that your mob is right and the laws that have been passed by the elected officials aka our government is wrong?? Are you seeing the flaw here?

"My mob?" I don't have a mob. I do claim the government is wrong. Who are you to say it is not? Where is the "flaw?"

You ask who gave me the authority to tell a business what to do... I answer The Government, the voice of the people that voted them to lead... You call it a mob

Well, at least you admit it. Of course, the mob has no legitimate authority at all. No matter whether you call it the majority of "the voice of the people" it still amounts to the same thing: a bigger gang imposing its will on the rest of the people. It's the morality of "might makes right," and nothing more.

You state: "...some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable."

THATS YOUR MOB

Now I ask you... Who gave YOU the authority to say a business can do whatever they want as the operate in the USA? On what authority can you say that?

It's "my mob?" I don't even know what the means. You're the one who cites the mob as the ultimate authority on moral issues. Why does anyone need "authority" to do what they want when they aren't aggressing against anyone else? You obviously believe that anything not expressly permitted is denied, that we need permission from some "authority" each time we sell something we have produced or we take a crap. Why should anyone need permission to do anything that isn't intruding on the person or property of others?

For some reason you think we live in a completely free country. We are all slaves to the man in one way or another. That goes for just about everyone in this world. Some live in a survival of the fittest type of environment and others live in civilized societies. The price that comes for civilization and protection is loss of freedom through the rule of law.

You say my majority is a mob that has no right to tell others what to do... I explained why they do.
But I ask you... What gives you the right to say that we have no obligation to follow the rule of law in a country that protects us and that provides an infrastructure of propsperity, opportunity and a fair, equal, inclusive environment for all?

Can the government make anything fair and equal?

What the hell does fair and equal mean?

Companies getting government grants and loans while others don't is far from fair and equal.

Looking to the government for safety is also a silly idea. They can claim safety but many laws are not for safety, the are reactionary to a recent event.

Government is all about placating the masses into a false sense of security.

 

[Slade3200]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

 

[Slade3200]

So basically your argument is that your mob is right and the laws that have been passed by the elected officials aka our government is wrong?? Are you seeing the flaw here?

"My mob?" I don't have a mob. I do claim the government is wrong. Who are you to say it is not? Where is the "flaw?"

You ask who gave me the authority to tell a business what to do... I answer The Government, the voice of the people that voted them to lead... You call it a mob

Well, at least you admit it. Of course, the mob has no legitimate authority at all. No matter whether you call it the majority of "the voice of the people" it still amounts to the same thing: a bigger gang imposing its will on the rest of the people. It's the morality of "might makes right," and nothing more.

You state: "...some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable."

THATS YOUR MOB

Now I ask you... Who gave YOU the authority to say a business can do whatever they want as the operate in the USA? On what authority can you say that?

It's "my mob?" I don't even know what the means. You're the one who cites the mob as the ultimate authority on moral issues. Why does anyone need "authority" to do what they want when they aren't aggressing against anyone else? You obviously believe that anything not expressly permitted is denied, that we need permission from some "authority" each time we sell something we have produced or we take a crap. Why should anyone need permission to do anything that isn't intruding on the person or property of others?

For some reason you think we live in a completely free country. We are all slaves to the man in one way or another. That goes for just about everyone in this world. Some live in a survival of the fittest type of environment and others live in civilized societies. The price that comes for civilization and protection is loss of freedom through the rule of law.

You say my majority is a mob that has no right to tell others what to do... I explained why they do.
But I ask you... What gives you the right to say that we have no obligation to follow the rule of law in a country that protects us and that provides an infrastructure of propsperity, opportunity and a fair, equal, inclusive environment for all?

Can the government make anything fair and equal?

What the hell does fair and equal mean?

Companies getting government grants and loans while others don't is far from fair and equal.

Looking to the government for safety is also a silly idea. They can claim safety but many laws are not for safety, the are reactionary to a recent event.

Government is all about placating the masses into a false sense of security.

You are correct that we don't live in a fair world. There is plenty of corruption and imbalance in our system that we need to improve in. I simply do not agree with the rest of your statement. I think regulations are a pain in the ass but I understand their purpose and see their value.

Do you really think the food we eat or the drugs we take would be as safe as it is today without the standards set? Do you think our buildings would be as safe without building inspectors making sure they are up to code? Just think it through before you give the anti government knee jerk reaction. I'm not just making shit up

 

[Slade3200]

Fair practice, safety standards, workers rights etc... Do you not know these things?

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

Oh good grief. More all or nothing nonsense.

Can't handle a point that makes sense huh? Read the conversation. If a person can't acknowledge the need for any governement regulation in business then how do you have a discussion about specifics? I'm not the one doing the all or nothing, I'm responding to a poster that thinks there should be no governement regulations or laws on our businesses.

 

[Papageorgio]

"My mob?" I don't have a mob. I do claim the government is wrong. Who are you to say it is not? Where is the "flaw?"

You ask who gave me the authority to tell a business what to do... I answer The Government, the voice of the people that voted them to lead... You call it a mob

Well, at least you admit it. Of course, the mob has no legitimate authority at all. No matter whether you call it the majority of "the voice of the people" it still amounts to the same thing: a bigger gang imposing its will on the rest of the people. It's the morality of "might makes right," and nothing more.

You state: "...some of us know better. We actually consider what the proper role of the government is. "Whatever it wants" isn't an answer we consider to be acceptable."

THATS YOUR MOB

Now I ask you... Who gave YOU the authority to say a business can do whatever they want as the operate in the USA? On what authority can you say that?

It's "my mob?" I don't even know what the means. You're the one who cites the mob as the ultimate authority on moral issues. Why does anyone need "authority" to do what they want when they aren't aggressing against anyone else? You obviously believe that anything not expressly permitted is denied, that we need permission from some "authority" each time we sell something we have produced or we take a crap. Why should anyone need permission to do anything that isn't intruding on the person or property of others?

For some reason you think we live in a completely free country. We are all slaves to the man in one way or another. That goes for just about everyone in this world. Some live in a survival of the fittest type of environment and others live in civilized societies. The price that comes for civilization and protection is loss of freedom through the rule of law.

You say my majority is a mob that has no right to tell others what to do... I explained why they do.
But I ask you... What gives you the right to say that we have no obligation to follow the rule of law in a country that protects us and that provides an infrastructure of propsperity, opportunity and a fair, equal, inclusive environment for all?

Can the government make anything fair and equal?

What the hell does fair and equal mean?

Companies getting government grants and loans while others don't is far from fair and equal.

Looking to the government for safety is also a silly idea. They can claim safety but many laws are not for safety, the are reactionary to a recent event.

Government is all about placating the masses into a false sense of security.

You are correct that we don't live in a fair world. There is plenty of corruption and imbalance in our system that we need to improve in. I simply do not agree with the rest of your statement. I think regulations are a pain in the ass but I understand their purpose and see their value.

Do you really think the food we eat or the drugs we take would be as safe as it is today without the standards set? Do you think our buildings would be as safe without building inspectors making sure they are up to code? Just think it through before you give the anti government knee jerk reaction. I'm not just making shit up

Again, you can claim safety, but many of the laws have nothing to do with safety. I'd didn't say ALL laws. I said many. The reactionary laws are usually overbearing and add no safety to the business, the employees or the consumer, yet the cost to business, employees and consumers is added. So, I'm not anti-government, that is your ASSumption and it is incorrect. I also said never said you make shit up, I'm not sure why you would post that, very strange. You seem to inject your ASSumptions which are based on your emotional bias.

It seems I have thought it through, I'm not sure by your ASSumptions that you have.

Government tilts the scales on who survives and who doesn't. That isn't in the interest of safety, that is in the interest of special Wall St. Interests that are made possible by Democrats and Republicans. Sad they can't stay out of open markets.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

Oh good grief. More all or nothing nonsense.

Can't handle a point that makes sense huh? Read the conversation. If a person can't acknowledge the need for any governement regulation in business then how do you have a discussion about specifics? I'm not the one doing the all or nothing, I'm responding to a poster that thinks there should be no governement regulations or laws on our businesses.

Well, I missed that. Some forms of regulation are necessary.... it's just massive regulation that most of us disagree with.

My apologies then.

 

[bripat9643]

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

Oh good grief. More all or nothing nonsense.

Can't handle a point that makes sense huh? Read the conversation. If a person can't acknowledge the need for any governement regulation in business then how do you have a discussion about specifics? I'm not the one doing the all or nothing, I'm responding to a poster that thinks there should be no governement regulations or laws on our businesses.

In other words, if they don't concede all your premises, then you are unable to make an argument. That shows the weakness of your position, not theirs.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Fair practice, safety standards, workers rights etc... Do you not know these things?

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

I think the problem here is you're confusing social obligations with laws. As for kids working, I'm all for it. I was working since the age of 12. Nothing wrong with it.

In fact me and a coworker of mine were discussing this issue yesterday. He said he's ashamed of his generation because they are so Fn lazy. These millennials don't want to work and if they do, expect the easiest and highest paying job possible. Other than that, they won't work.

His claim is that most of his friends and school mates never worked a job in their life until they got out of school. They had no idea what working was all about. They actually thought that when you finally get a job, it's optional whether you want to show up on any particular day or not.

 

[Papageorgio]

Fair practice, safety standards, workers rights etc... Do you not know these things?

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

I think the problem here is you're confusing social obligations with laws. As for kids working, I'm all for it. I was working since the age of 12. Nothing wrong with it.

In fact me and a coworker of mine were discussing this issue yesterday. He said he's ashamed of his generation because they are so Fn lazy. These millennials don't want to work and if they do, expect the easiest and highest paying job possible. Other than that, they won't work.

His claim is that most of his friends and school mates never worked a job in their life until they got out of school. They had no idea what working was all about. They actually thought that when you finally get a job, it's optional whether you want to show up on any particular day or not.

I worked in the berry patches when we were 9 and we loved it. I bought a cassette deck from that money and was proud that I could save up and earn the deck.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation"
Post #176

Possibly the dumbest statement ever posted on this or any message board.

Does a business have a duty to provide proper training, equipment and enforce safe practices?

Of course they do, they are culpable for injuries to employees and customers if they breach this duty they can be held both civilly, morally and criminally culpable.

While most people understand what you just described, ol Ray thinks the free market should take care of these things with governement interference and we should all just be responsible for ourselves. If we don't like the pay then don't work there. If we don't like the conditions or products of a business then don't work there or don't shop there... Etc. he is extremely short sited and doesn't understand the domino effect of how things work in a society.

Let me ask you ray the landlord. Do you give your tenants the same kind of absolute freedom that you are demanding our governement give us? I mean they are paying rent so why should you the landlord get to tell them what to do in any way?

My tenants are the same as an employers employees. We do X over here, and if you don't like the way I do things, then move someplace where you like the way things are done.

Nobody is forced to live here and the government intrusions I have to tolerate gives me no choice but to have higher rents. Government costs me too much time and money in this business, and I'm certainly not going to take the loss for that. I have to pass losses and costs to my tenants in the form of rental price.

If the government should ever get so large and powerful enough where they can tell me what I'm allowed to charge for rent and what conditions I must provide, then screw it, I'm selling out. In fact, I heard something on the radio the other day that Congress was considering a law that says I can't discriminate against felons. I've rented to felons in the past, they too cost me a ton of money and hardship. I don't rent to felons any longer. And if government is going to force me to, I'll get out of the business.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Okay, but don't we already have that?

Yes, thats the point... You stated that businesses don't have social obligations.

What you're talking about is business having some sort of social obligation. They don't have that requirement. A business is started to create products and services at a cost acceptable to the customers they sell to. That's their only obligation.

Social obligations belong to charities and government unfortunately--but not businesses.

I don't believe safety on the job is a social obligation. But telling companies how much they must pay workers or what kind of benefits they are to provide is a social obligation.

what about child labor laws? Should we be allowed to run sweatshops if we want to?

I think the problem here is you're confusing social obligations with laws. As for kids working, I'm all for it. I was working since the age of 12. Nothing wrong with it.

In fact me and a coworker of mine were discussing this issue yesterday. He said he's ashamed of his generation because they are so Fn lazy. These millennials don't want to work and if they do, expect the easiest and highest paying job possible. Other than that, they won't work.

His claim is that most of his friends and school mates never worked a job in their life until they got out of school. They had no idea what working was all about. They actually thought that when you finally get a job, it's optional whether you want to show up on any particular day or not.

I worked in the berry patches when we were 9 and we loved it. I bought a cassette deck from that money and was proud that I could save up and earn the deck.

Lol, that sure takes me back.

My father was a bricklayer and took me on side jobs in the summer evenings and on the weekends. Back then, he paid me one dollar an hour. I was mixing cement, carrying bricks and blocks, I was cleaning tools, everything.

As I got older I was able to do more work, so of course he paid me more than one dollar an hour. At the end of one summer, I asked him to come to the basement to see what I did with all the money I earned. He about crapped himself. I bought a Marshall 100 amplifier for my guitar, and his jaw dropped. He said "THAT'S WHAT BOUGHT WITH ALL THAT HARD WORK ALL SUMMER?"

 

[P@triot]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

When you were a kid, people actually worked for a living to have those things. They didn't try to mooch off of society like the modern-day liberal.

By the way - it's liberal policy that is responsible for the income gap (which has grown massively under the 8 years of the Obama reign of terror). That's not by accident. That's what liberal policy does. It brings everyone down into poverty and attempts to place them permanently on the government plantation.

 

[P@triot]

She is "feeling the BERN now"... God Bless this American for standing up. Let all of these Bernie and Hillary supports be stranded and rely on government for help.



Tow truck driver says he thinks God told him not to help disabled Sanders supporter

 

[The Great Goose]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

When you were a kid, people actually worked for a living to have those things. They didn't try to mooch off of society like the modern-day liberal.

By the way - it's liberal policy that is responsible for the income gap (which has grown massively under the 8 years of the Obama reign of terror). That's not by accident. That's what liberal policy does. It brings everyone down into poverty and attempts to place them permanently on the government plantation.

Not true. When i was a kid, Australia had a very strong "Dole culture". It was stamped out by the Howard government. There's only a few diehards left.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

When you were a kid, people actually worked for a living to have those things. They didn't try to mooch off of society like the modern-day liberal.

By the way - it's liberal policy that is responsible for the income gap (which has grown massively under the 8 years of the Obama reign of terror). That's not by accident. That's what liberal policy does. It brings everyone down into poverty and attempts to place them permanently on the government plantation.

Thanks so much for offering your opinion, its always nice to read the proclamations of a mental masturbator, since no effort to study and evaluate the evidence is ever necessary, and the opinion(s) can be dismissed with a shake of the head and a wry smile.