Bernie Sanders Says He Would Let Boston Marathon Bomber, Sex Predators And Murderers Vote

[Vastator]

Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters

I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped

Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...

Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?

It a simple question...

What question?

You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“

To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters

I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped

Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...

Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?

It a simple question...

What question?

You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“

To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”

What tax burden would they have? They are in prison and not earning any income?

 

[Vastator]

Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...

Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?

It a simple question...

What question?

You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“

To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”

What tax burden would they have? They are in prison and not earning any income?

“who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration...” ?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It wasn't changed when women got the right to vote which was decades later, it was changed when the Black man, newly freed slaves, got a right to vote, and it was for an evil purpose, not a position that evolved because it was for the betterment of mankind or for all of our citizens.

I can see how to you, it just seems normal to do this, since your whole life it has been this way....

But, I don't think it is crazy, for a State to reconsider their position on this, since we now know, the purpose of doing it, was not to punish people that have done wrong.... it is not like it is part of their sentencing for their crime committed.... it's purpose back then was to disenfranchise citizens of their vote... the black man of their newly gained vote, and now it is used to disenfranchise primarily thought to be Democratic leaning citizens, of their vote.

The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons” stunt they pulled to trample a persons second amendment rights. For life. Both are bad law, and unconstitutional. And neither would have been met with approval by the founders. That’s why no such laws existed at the time of the founding.

The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons”

Not really " the exact same thing".

No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.

Nor did the majority of felons abuse their second amendment rights, in the commission of the crime that got them convicted of a felony. If you have a succinct point; I suggest you make it. I quickly bore of partisan hackery, and quickly lose interest in those who engage in such...

I never said every felon should be barred from firearms, dope.

I said your comparison was dumb.

See all the twisting, and turning; the yeah-but’s, and exceptions and excuses having unprincipled positions require? Therin ends the lesson...

The twisting is yours, dope. Show us where I said every felon.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Not really " the exact same thing".

No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.

Technically correct. Except that Americans have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. And have from the founding of this nation. Voting for all is a post founding addition, and privilege. So you’re right; but not in the way you thought. Such are the perils of “a la carte” loyalty to the constitution. It shows that your motives, and positions are unprincipled. Unprincipled people are seldom effectual...

Oh yeah “Dope!” Did that sound as cool as when you typed it? Lol!

A distinction without a difference.
Comparing the right of a felon to vote and the right to a gun when that person was in prison explicitly for using a gun in the commission of crime is just dumb, dope

If a felon who has proven their disregard for the safety of society by committing crimes with a firearm cannot be excluded from possesing a firearm, then who can be?

Like I said, unprincipled...

Sure, dope.

Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .

Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?

(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)

And is a proven menace to society.

Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.

Dope.

 

[Vastator]

The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons” stunt they pulled to trample a persons second amendment rights. For life. Both are bad law, and unconstitutional. And neither would have been met with approval by the founders. That’s why no such laws existed at the time of the founding.

The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons”

Not really " the exact same thing".

No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.

Nor did the majority of felons abuse their second amendment rights, in the commission of the crime that got them convicted of a felony. If you have a succinct point; I suggest you make it. I quickly bore of partisan hackery, and quickly lose interest in those who engage in such...

I never said every felon should be barred from firearms, dope.

I said your comparison was dumb.

See all the twisting, and turning; the yeah-but’s, and exceptions and excuses having unprincipled positions require? Therin ends the lesson...

The twisting is yours, dope. Show us where I said every felon.

You never clarified otherwise. Such a caveat is necessitated by an unprincipled position....

 

[Vastator]

Technically correct. Except that Americans have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. And have from the founding of this nation. Voting for all is a post founding addition, and privilege. So you’re right; but not in the way you thought. Such are the perils of “a la carte” loyalty to the constitution. It shows that your motives, and positions are unprincipled. Unprincipled people are seldom effectual...

Oh yeah “Dope!” Did that sound as cool as when you typed it? Lol!

A distinction without a difference.
Comparing the right of a felon to vote and the right to a gun when that person was in prison explicitly for using a gun in the commission of crime is just dumb, dope

If a felon who has proven their disregard for the safety of society by committing crimes with a firearm cannot be excluded from possesing a firearm, then who can be?

Like I said, unprincipled...

Sure, dope.

Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .

Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?

(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)

And is a proven menace to society.

Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.

Dope.

I advocate for all free men’s rights. Plain, and simple.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Prisoners have a stake in who is running the prisons. The idea that they shouldn't vote was dumb to begin with.

I expected some wrangling around what Bernie actually stated such as fighting for felons to have the right to vote after the sentence has been completed but this is just jumping straight to crazy. They should vote for the warden too I guess. They have a pretty clear interest in the warden and weather or not they believe in locking the front door.

Why not?

Why, in your opinion, should an inmate not have a vote?

Because they gave up that right when they committed their crime. Should we also retain their rights to bear arms? You’re just trolling.

Who says? Who says they should lose the right to vote?

We the citizens of the US. That is who. We are a Republic and it is decided on a state by state basis. If my Governor gives them that right then he will be voted out. Take a history class. Your trolling is tiresome.

So it's simply a matter of law then?
So advocating for changing that law,(at least for federal elections), is wrong?

Why? Why is that such a big deal for you?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Not really " the exact same thing".

No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.

Nor did the majority of felons abuse their second amendment rights, in the commission of the crime that got them convicted of a felony. If you have a succinct point; I suggest you make it. I quickly bore of partisan hackery, and quickly lose interest in those who engage in such...

I never said every felon should be barred from firearms, dope.

I said your comparison was dumb.

See all the twisting, and turning; the yeah-but’s, and exceptions and excuses having unprincipled positions require? Therin ends the lesson...

The twisting is yours, dope. Show us where I said every felon.

You never clarified otherwise. Such a caveat is necessitated by an unprincipled position....

Deliberately attributing a position not made by a poster to a poster is most decidedly unprincipled, dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

A distinction without a difference.
Comparing the right of a felon to vote and the right to a gun when that person was in prison explicitly for using a gun in the commission of crime is just dumb, dope

If a felon who has proven their disregard for the safety of society by committing crimes with a firearm cannot be excluded from possesing a firearm, then who can be?

Like I said, unprincipled...

Sure, dope.

Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .

Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?

(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)

And is a proven menace to society.

Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.

Dope.

I advocate for all free men’s rights. Plain, and simple.

Great.

That in no way makes voting rights and gun rights the same, dope.

 

[Vastator]

Like I said, unprincipled...

Sure, dope.

Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .

Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?

(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)

And is a proven menace to society.

Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.

Dope.

I advocate for all free men’s rights. Plain, and simple.

Great.

That in no way makes voting rights and gun rights the same, dope.

Rights, are rights. Back to your unprincipled “a la carte” version of freedom I see. This will be your fate so long as you cling to unprincipled positions...

 

[Care4all]

He believes the Son of Sam should vote. Crazy Bernie is living up to his moniker.

he said prisoners should vote - people who want to mock him are pulling up extreme names to use as an example. this "proxy quoting" sure can confuse things and lead to "fake news".

Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?

dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.

somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.

bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?

that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.

There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.

You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!

So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?

And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?

I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...

Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.

Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.

This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.

 

[rightwinger]

Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters

I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped

Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...

I support banning someone who has used a gun in a crime from owning a gun for Life. Same for wife beaters
Other felons should get their gun rights once released

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?

It a simple question...

What question?

You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“

To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”

What tax burden would they have? They are in prison and not earning any income?

“who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration...” ?

Once they start earning income they would be taxed?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I expected some wrangling around what Bernie actually stated such as fighting for felons to have the right to vote after the sentence has been completed but this is just jumping straight to crazy. They should vote for the warden too I guess. They have a pretty clear interest in the warden and weather or not they believe in locking the front door.

Why not?

Why, in your opinion, should an inmate not have a vote?

Because they gave up that right when they committed their crime. Should we also retain their rights to bear arms? You’re just trolling.

Who says? Who says they should lose the right to vote?

We the citizens of the US. That is who. We are a Republic and it is decided on a state by state basis. If my Governor gives them that right then he will be voted out. Take a history class. Your trolling is tiresome.

So it's simply a matter of law then?
So advocating for changing that law,(at least for federal elections), is wrong?

Why? Why is that such a big deal for you?

Like anything else I disagree with it and will vote for people who agree with me. If more agree with you than your candidate will win and I'll have to live with it. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

he said prisoners should vote - people who want to mock him are pulling up extreme names to use as an example. this "proxy quoting" sure can confuse things and lead to "fake news".

Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?

dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.

somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.

bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?

that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.

There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.

You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!

So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?

And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?

I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...

Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.

Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.

This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.

#1) You assume they are innocent. What proof do you have they are wrongly convicted?
#2) Once released they should be able to vote as they have paid their debt to society IMO but that is NOT what Sanders said.
#3) Fine with me. If they are working and paying taxes, which they do on probation they should vote.

But you're moving the goal posts as you're a typical Leftist and in my book as bad as the Alt Right. Convicted Felons who are in prison should not be allowed to vote and anyone who thinks they should are insane.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters

I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped

Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...

I support banning someone who has used a gun in a crime from owning a gun for Life. Same for wife beaters
Other felons should get their gun rights once released

What do you have against white t-shirts?

 

[Care4all]

Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?

dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.

somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.

bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?

that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.

There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.

You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!

So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?

And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?

I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...

Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.

Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.

This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.

#1) You assume they are innocent. What proof do you have they are wrongly convicted?
#2) Once released they should be able to vote as they have paid their debt to society IMO but that is NOT what Sanders said.
#3) Fine with me. If they are working and paying taxes, which they do on probation they should vote.

But you're moving the goal posts as you're a typical Leftist and in my book as bad as the Alt Right. Convicted Felons who are in prison should not be allowed to vote and anyone who thinks they should are insane.

Damn! I was going to 'thank' your post or even hit the 'agree' button, until you pulled your ''leftist" bull crud..

I am fine with my state allowing prisoners to vote, and fine with your State not allowing them to vote, while in prison.

FYI- About 1%, 20,000 people are wrongly imprisoned, and are innocent.
How Many Innocent People are in Prison? - Innocence Project

It does not bother me that Bernie made a plea for such, his State of Vermont is the "other" US State that did not change their laws to take the vote away from prisoners after the Civil War, so to him, it is probably just 'normal' to think in such a manner.

I don't understand if he was proposing something, like a federal law to do such, which would never pass muster imo, because how the States hold their own elections and who qualifies, is up to the States, as long as they are within the bounds of the rules the Constitution and Amendments state about it.

Perhaps he was doing some political pandering to the black constituents? This is the area he is weakest with constituents in polling for him...?

 

[iceberg]

he said prisoners should vote - people who want to mock him are pulling up extreme names to use as an example. this "proxy quoting" sure can confuse things and lead to "fake news".

Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?

dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.

somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.

bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?

that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.

There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.

You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!

So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?

And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?

I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...

Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.

Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.

This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.

we keep harping on the falsely accused and yes, it does happen. but at this point you're driving demands to meet the needs of a very few. people like you tend to use these EXTREME examples as if it's something we must fix and deal with as if it's a normal occurrence.

besides, if i'm in jail because i was falsely accused of something, voting is not on my list of things i care about at the time. these strawmen arguments from you get old.

WE MUST CARE ABOUT THE 1% THE SAME!!!!

 

[iceberg]

Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?

dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.

somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.

bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?

that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.

There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.

You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!

So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?

And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?

I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...

Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.

Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.

This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.

#1) You assume they are innocent. What proof do you have they are wrongly convicted?
#2) Once released they should be able to vote as they have paid their debt to society IMO but that is NOT what Sanders said.
#3) Fine with me. If they are working and paying taxes, which they do on probation they should vote.

But you're moving the goal posts as you're a typical Leftist and in my book as bad as the Alt Right. Convicted Felons who are in prison should not be allowed to vote and anyone who thinks they should are insane.

i don't argue with strawmen examples. they're emo based and designed to make you feel like you're an evil person.