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You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“It a simple question...Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters
I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped
Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?
What question?
You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“It a simple question...Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters
I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped
Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?
What question?
To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”
“who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration...” ?You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“It a simple question...Finally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...
Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?
What question?
To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”
What tax burden would they have? They are in prison and not earning any income?
See all the twisting, and turning; the yeah-but’s, and exceptions and excuses having unprincipled positions require? Therin ends the lesson...Nor did the majority of felons abuse their second amendment rights, in the commission of the crime that got them convicted of a felony. If you have a succinct point; I suggest you make it. I quickly bore of partisan hackery, and quickly lose interest in those who engage in such...The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons” stunt they pulled to trample a persons second amendment rights. For life. Both are bad law, and unconstitutional. And neither would have been met with approval by the founders. That’s why no such laws existed at the time of the founding.It wasn't changed when women got the right to vote which was decades later, it was changed when the Black man, newly freed slaves, got a right to vote, and it was for an evil purpose, not a position that evolved because it was for the betterment of mankind or for all of our citizens.
I can see how to you, it just seems normal to do this, since your whole life it has been this way....
But, I don't think it is crazy, for a State to reconsider their position on this, since we now know, the purpose of doing it, was not to punish people that have done wrong.... it is not like it is part of their sentencing for their crime committed.... it's purpose back then was to disenfranchise citizens of their vote... the black man of their newly gained vote, and now it is used to disenfranchise primarily thought to be Democratic leaning citizens, of their vote.The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons”
Not really " the exact same thing".
No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.
I never said every felon should be barred from firearms, dope.
I said your comparison was dumb.
Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?Like I said, unprincipled...Technically correct. Except that Americans have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. And have from the founding of this nation. Voting for all is a post founding addition, and privilege. So you’re right; but not in the way you thought. Such are the perils of “a la carte” loyalty to the constitution. It shows that your motives, and positions are unprincipled. Unprincipled people are seldom effectual...Not really " the exact same thing".
No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.
Oh yeah “Dope!” Did that sound as cool as when you typed it? Lol!
A distinction without a difference.
Comparing the right of a felon to vote and the right to a gun when that person was in prison explicitly for using a gun in the commission of crime is just dumb, dope
If a felon who has proven their disregard for the safety of society by committing crimes with a firearm cannot be excluded from possesing a firearm, then who can be?
Sure, dope.
Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .
(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)
You never clarified otherwise. Such a caveat is necessitated by an unprincipled position....See all the twisting, and turning; the yeah-but’s, and exceptions and excuses having unprincipled positions require? Therin ends the lesson...Nor did the majority of felons abuse their second amendment rights, in the commission of the crime that got them convicted of a felony. If you have a succinct point; I suggest you make it. I quickly bore of partisan hackery, and quickly lose interest in those who engage in such...The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons” stunt they pulled to trample a persons second amendment rights. For life. Both are bad law, and unconstitutional. And neither would have been met with approval by the founders. That’s why no such laws existed at the time of the founding.The exact same thing can be said for the “prohibited persons”
Not really " the exact same thing".
No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.
I never said every felon should be barred from firearms, dope.
I said your comparison was dumb.
The twisting is yours, dope. Show us where I said every felon.
I advocate for all free men’s rights. Plain, and simple.Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?Like I said, unprincipled...Technically correct. Except that Americans have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms. And have from the founding of this nation. Voting for all is a post founding addition, and privilege. So you’re right; but not in the way you thought. Such are the perils of “a la carte” loyalty to the constitution. It shows that your motives, and positions are unprincipled. Unprincipled people are seldom effectual...
Oh yeah “Dope!” Did that sound as cool as when you typed it? Lol!
A distinction without a difference.
Comparing the right of a felon to vote and the right to a gun when that person was in prison explicitly for using a gun in the commission of crime is just dumb, dope
If a felon who has proven their disregard for the safety of society by committing crimes with a firearm cannot be excluded from possesing a firearm, then who can be?
Sure, dope.
Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .
(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)
And is a proven menace to society.
Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.
Dope.
I expected some wrangling around what Bernie actually stated such as fighting for felons to have the right to vote after the sentence has been completed but this is just jumping straight to crazy. They should vote for the warden too I guess. They have a pretty clear interest in the warden and weather or not they believe in locking the front door.Prisoners have a stake in who is running the prisons. The idea that they shouldn't vote was dumb to begin with.
Why not?
Why, in your opinion, should an inmate not have a vote?
Because they gave up that right when they committed their crime. Should we also retain their rights to bear arms? You’re just trolling.
Who says? Who says they should lose the right to vote?
We the citizens of the US. That is who. We are a Republic and it is decided on a state by state basis. If my Governor gives them that right then he will be voted out. Take a history class. Your trolling is tiresome.
You never clarified otherwise. Such a caveat is necessitated by an unprincipled position....See all the twisting, and turning; the yeah-but’s, and exceptions and excuses having unprincipled positions require? Therin ends the lesson...Nor did the majority of felons abuse their second amendment rights, in the commission of the crime that got them convicted of a felony. If you have a succinct point; I suggest you make it. I quickly bore of partisan hackery, and quickly lose interest in those who engage in such...Not really " the exact same thing".
No one abused their right to vote while commiting a crime, dope.
I never said every felon should be barred from firearms, dope.
I said your comparison was dumb.
The twisting is yours, dope. Show us where I said every felon.
I advocate for all free men’s rights. Plain, and simple.Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?Like I said, unprincipled...A distinction without a difference.
Comparing the right of a felon to vote and the right to a gun when that person was in prison explicitly for using a gun in the commission of crime is just dumb, dope
If a felon who has proven their disregard for the safety of society by committing crimes with a firearm cannot be excluded from possesing a firearm, then who can be?
Sure, dope.
Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .
(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)
And is a proven menace to society.
Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.
Dope.
Rights, are rights. Back to your unprincipled “a la carte” version of freedom I see. This will be your fate so long as you cling to unprincipled positions...I advocate for all free men’s rights. Plain, and simple.Because he completed his sentence. That was easy... Any other questions?Like I said, unprincipled...
Sure, dope.
Tell us why an MS13 member should get his gun rights restored after completion of his murder sentence .
(Hint: You’re asking the wrong ones...)
And is a proven menace to society.
Good job advocating for convicted murderer's gun rights.
That's exactly the same as voting.
Dope.
Great.
That in no way makes voting rights and gun rights the same, dope.
So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?he said prisoners should vote - people who want to mock him are pulling up extreme names to use as an example. this "proxy quoting" sure can confuse things and lead to "fake news".He believes the Son of Sam should vote. Crazy Bernie is living up to his moniker.
somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.
bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?
that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.
You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!
I support banning someone who has used a gun in a crime from owning a gun for Life. Same for wife beatersFinally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters
I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped
“who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration...” ?You said: “It’s about logic and it is not logical for a rapist or an armed robber to have the same voting rights as a tax paying citizen.“It a simple question...Your posts are tough to follow. What exactly is your position on this?
What question?
To which I asked: “Are you saying that convicted felons who’ve served their prescribed term of incarceration, should also be relieved of their tax burden?”
What tax burden would they have? They are in prison and not earning any income?
I expected some wrangling around what Bernie actually stated such as fighting for felons to have the right to vote after the sentence has been completed but this is just jumping straight to crazy. They should vote for the warden too I guess. They have a pretty clear interest in the warden and weather or not they believe in locking the front door.
Why not?
Why, in your opinion, should an inmate not have a vote?
Because they gave up that right when they committed their crime. Should we also retain their rights to bear arms? You’re just trolling.
Who says? Who says they should lose the right to vote?
We the citizens of the US. That is who. We are a Republic and it is decided on a state by state basis. If my Governor gives them that right then he will be voted out. Take a history class. Your trolling is tiresome.
So it's simply a matter of law then?
So advocating for changing that law,(at least for federal elections), is wrong?
Why? Why is that such a big deal for you?
So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?he said prisoners should vote - people who want to mock him are pulling up extreme names to use as an example. this "proxy quoting" sure can confuse things and lead to "fake news".
somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.
bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?
that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.
You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!
And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?
I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...
Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.
Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.
This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.
I support banning someone who has used a gun in a crime from owning a gun for Life. Same for wife beatersFinally something we agree on. That is... Until you ammend this statement to clarify that you still want the previously convicted stripped of their 2A rights. Ah... Such a fleeting moment...Bernie believes all citizens should have a right and be encouraged to vote
He says society should not be selecting who are good voters and bad voters
I don’t think prisoners should be allowed to vote. Once they are released they should have their rights returned
Same goes for minors and mentally handicapped
Other felons should get their gun rights once released
Damn! I was going to 'thank' your post or even hit the 'agree' button, until you pulled your ''leftist" bull crud..So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?
somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.
bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?
that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.
You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!
And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?
I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...
Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.
Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.
This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.
#1) You assume they are innocent. What proof do you have they are wrongly convicted?
#2) Once released they should be able to vote as they have paid their debt to society IMO but that is NOT what Sanders said.
#3) Fine with me. If they are working and paying taxes, which they do on probation they should vote.
But you're moving the goal posts as you're a typical Leftist and in my book as bad as the Alt Right. Convicted Felons who are in prison should not be allowed to vote and anyone who thinks they should are insane.
we keep harping on the falsely accused and yes, it does happen. but at this point you're driving demands to meet the needs of a very few. people like you tend to use these EXTREME examples as if it's something we must fix and deal with as if it's a normal occurrence.So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?he said prisoners should vote - people who want to mock him are pulling up extreme names to use as an example. this "proxy quoting" sure can confuse things and lead to "fake news".
somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.
bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?
that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.
You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!
And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?
I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...
Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.
Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.
This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.
i don't argue with strawmen examples. they're emo based and designed to make you feel like you're an evil person.So if the inmate is not the 'son of sam', should he have the right to vote taken away from him too, in your book?There's nothing wrong, in my book, with letting the Son of Sam vote. He's still behind bars where we're safe from him. When people like andaronjim vote, that's just as "dangerous," in my book.dunno. those are better questions for him and maybe he has more ideas around it. but i would ask him those questions and concerns before i said "bernie wants to let son of sam vote!" because that is taking what *is* said and putting "max drama" to it and i think that horse is long since dead and i'm tired of people flogging it and making every statement *extreme* in nature.Why does Bernie want the son of Sam, Charles Manson and Boston Bomber voting?
somewhere along the way we normalized the extreme. time to put things back where they belong and stop doing that.
bernie wants inmates to vote. can we clarify his position and ask for more details on that before we nail him for the statement?
that said - saying we need to rebuild america from the ground up in 10 years - ok - that's stupid from the word go.
You should read a different book. Mass murderers should not have the same voting rights as law obiding citizens. Your insanity is noted. WTF?!?! Son of Sam?!?!
And what about the people who are in prison or on death row, who DID NOT commit the crime and were falsely accused and convicted? Strip them of their vote too?
I'm not certain if you've thought this thru...
Granted, there are emotional reasons for not wanting a "Son of Sam" to be able to vote, but there are consequences that could also occur with "big government' or a crooked government or a crookedly run prison that could also be given with good reason, of why some should be allowed to vote.
Regardless of the issue above, all inmates that step foot out of prison after serving their prescribed time behind bars, and are legally released, should be automatically given their right to vote back, imo. There should be no application to do such required... once they are freed from prison, they should have their voting rights automatically restored, regardless if on probation or not.
This would eliminate any shenanigans by the Political Parties, with ex-felon lists being manipulated to disenfranchise eligible voters.
#1) You assume they are innocent. What proof do you have they are wrongly convicted?
#2) Once released they should be able to vote as they have paid their debt to society IMO but that is NOT what Sanders said.
#3) Fine with me. If they are working and paying taxes, which they do on probation they should vote.
But you're moving the goal posts as you're a typical Leftist and in my book as bad as the Alt Right. Convicted Felons who are in prison should not be allowed to vote and anyone who thinks they should are insane.
