Democrat Witness at Senate Hearing Says He Is Unsure If Illegal Immigration Is a Crime in Exchange with Sen. Bernie Moreno

[Dante]

Dante: Not all crimes are equal. D'Oh!

"Illegal immigration is not a felony crime by default; it is primarily handled as a civil offense, though specific actions can be misdemeanors or felonies under federal law"

Yet,
Donald J. Trump was convicted on many felony counts, with some people claiming them as not "real crimes"

Yet as you said, they are still crimes.

For Troll Hollie

 

[OKTexas]

Nobody, not a Judge, not a Jury, not a Prosecutor or Defense lawyer believes all crimes are equal in the sense you people-of-the-cult try to portray it.

There are crimes, and then there are crimes and if you can't acknowledge that you belong in a mental institutionView attachment 1229760

Collectively illegals have cost the US billions, I'd say that's a pretty big crime, since it all was well organized and every participant is responsible for that.

The Cost of the Border Crisis: $150.7 Billion and Counting | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

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[Hollie]

Nuance hurts their tiny brains

What nuance is there regarding 8 U.S. Code § 1325

You no Habla ?

 

[Dante]

Collectively illegals have cost the US billions, I'd say that's a pretty big crime, since it all was well organized and every participant is responsible for that.

The Cost of the Border Crisis: $150.7 Billion and Counting | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

Collectively illegals pay billions in taxes

AI Overview
Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. paid an estimated $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP). This includes $59.4 billion in federal taxes and $37.3 billion in state/local taxes, with significant contributions to Social Security and Medicare despite lacking eligibility for most benefits.

Key Tax Contribution Data (2022):
Total Taxes: $96.7 billion combined federal, state, and local taxes.

Payroll Taxes: $25.7 billion for Social Security and $6.4 billion for Medicare.

Unemployment Insurance: $1.8 billion.

State & Local Breakdown: Includes sales, excise, and property taxes ($37.3 billion total).

Impact and Context:
High Contributions: Six states (California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey) each receive over $1 billion in tax revenue from undocumented residents.

Per Person Impact: On average, undocumented immigrants pay roughly $8,889 in taxes per person annually.

Tax Compliance: Many use Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs) to file income taxes.

Economic Effect: If granted work authorization, tax contributions could increase significantly due to higher wages and better compliance.

For example, in California alone, undocumented immigrants contribute approximately $8.5 billion in state and local taxes annually.

 

[Augustine_]

You introduced no nuance by your not understanding that illegal entry is a federal violation.

More people overstay their visa's than come here through illegal entry. Nuance.

 

[Hollie]

Collectively illegals pay billions in taxes

AI Overview
Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. paid an estimated $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP). This includes $59.4 billion in federal taxes and $37.3 billion in state/local taxes, with significant contributions to Social Security and Medicare despite lacking eligibility for most benefits.

Key Tax Contribution Data (2022):
Total Taxes: $96.7 billion combined federal, state, and local taxes.

Payroll Taxes: $25.7 billion for Social Security and $6.4 billion for Medicare.

Unemployment Insurance: $1.8 billion.

State & Local Breakdown: Includes sales, excise, and property taxes ($37.3 billion total).

Impact and Context:
High Contributions: Six states (California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey) each receive over $1 billion in tax revenue from undocumented residents.

Per Person Impact: On average, undocumented immigrants pay roughly $8,889 in taxes per person annually.

Tax Compliance: Many use Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs) to file income taxes.

Economic Effect: If granted work authorization, tax contributions could increase significantly due to higher wages and better compliance.

For example, in California alone, undocumented immigrants contribute approximately $8.5 billion in state and local taxes annually.

Lots of cut and paste nonsense that has nothing to do with the thread topic.

Silly spammer.

 

[Hollie]

More people overstay their visa's than come here through illegal entry. Nuance.

Not relevant to the thread topic. Not relevant during the Biden open border years.

 

[Augustine_]

What nuance is there regarding 8 U.S. Code § 1325

You no Habla ?

Esta ley tiene cuatro partes porque tiene NuAnCeee

 

[Hollie]

Dante: Not all crimes are equal. D'Oh!

"Illegal immigration is not a felony crime by default; it is primarily handled as a civil offense, though specific actions can be misdemeanors or felonies under federal law"

Yet,
Donald J. Trump was convicted on many felony counts, with some people claiming them as not "real crimes"

For Troll Hollie

More of your pointless thread spam,

 

[Augustine_]

Not relevant to the thread topic. Not relevant during the Biden open border years.

This is a thread about illegal immigration how could the main form of illegal immigration not be part of it

 

[Hollie]

Esta ley tiene cuatro partes porque tiene NuAnCeee

 

[Hollie]

This is a thread about illegal immigration how could the main form of illegal immigration not be part of it

How do you not understand that illegal entry to the US is a federal violation?

 

[Dante]

Collectively illegals have cost the US billions, I'd say that's a pretty big crime, since it all was well organized and every participant is responsible for that.

The Cost of the Border Crisis: $150.7 Billion and Counting | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

The Official U.S. Congressional website of The Republican Budget Committee

budget.house.gov

Source? Partisan House Committee 2024


and: "While not specifically detailed in the provided search snippets for May 13th, House Democrats generally argue in such hearings that Republican proposals, like H.R. 2, are ineffective, while advocating for comprehensive reform and increased efficiency, as noted by Representative Rosa DeLauro in related, earlier discussions"

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/david_bier_testimony.pdf

 

[Lockback]

It's a civil offense not criminal, the first time crossing unless the govt takes them to court and charges them with a misdemeanor and wins. Asylum seekers meeting preliminary criteria are not criminals, until they've been denied asylum in a court hearing, and refused to leave. And they are not criminals if they applied through the parole program.....unless they break the parole agreement rules.

So yeah, it isn't one simple yes or no answer.

They're criminals.
I have a suggestion:
Why don't you put a sign on your door reading, "All Strangers Welcome. Come On In and Help Yourself!", unlock the door, set out some food and your credit cards and some cash and then leave for a few days and see what you come home to.
Hypocrite.

 

[Hollie]

Source? Partisan House Committee 2024


and: "While not specifically detailed in the provided search snippets for May 13th, House Democrats generally argue in such hearings that Republican proposals, like H.R. 2, are ineffective, while advocating for comprehensive reform and increased efficiency, as noted by Representative Rosa DeLauro in related, earlier discussions"

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/david_bier_testimony.pdf

Source? Partisan House Committee 2024


and: "While not specifically detailed in the provided search snippets for May 13th, House Democrats generally argue in such hearings that Republican proposals, like H.R. 2, are ineffective, while advocating for comprehensive reform and increased efficiency, as noted by Representative Rosa DeLauro in related, earlier discussions"

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/david_bier_testimony.pdf

Rosa Delauro

 

[OKTexas]

Collectively illegals pay billions in taxes

AI Overview
Undocumented immigrants in the U.S. paid an estimated $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP). This includes $59.4 billion in federal taxes and $37.3 billion in state/local taxes, with significant contributions to Social Security and Medicare despite lacking eligibility for most benefits.

Key Tax Contribution Data (2022):
Total Taxes: $96.7 billion combined federal, state, and local taxes.

Payroll Taxes: $25.7 billion for Social Security and $6.4 billion for Medicare.

Unemployment Insurance: $1.8 billion.

State & Local Breakdown: Includes sales, excise, and property taxes ($37.3 billion total).

Impact and Context:
High Contributions: Six states (California, Texas, New York, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey) each receive over $1 billion in tax revenue from undocumented residents.

Per Person Impact: On average, undocumented immigrants pay roughly $8,889 in taxes per person annually.

Tax Compliance: Many use Individual Tax Identification Numbers (ITINs) to file income taxes.

Economic Effect: If granted work authorization, tax contributions could increase significantly due to higher wages and better compliance.

For example, in California alone, undocumented immigrants contribute approximately $8.5 billion in state and local taxes annually.

I think my number is bigger and illegals are sucking up resources for schools, medical and law enforcement, local, State and federal. Also they are driving up housing and insurance costs.

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[Dante]

I think my number is bigger and illegals are sucking up resources for schools, medical and law enforcement, local, State and federal. Also they are driving up housing and insurance costs.

Convoluted arguments that make for great Theater .. theater of the absurd

and the Lie that they are driving up housing and insurance costs?

 

[Hollie]

Convoluted arguments that make for great Theater .. theater of the absurd

and the Lie that they are driving up housing and insurance costs?

Nonsense, millions of imported illegals creates housing demand thus driving up prices.

• • Total Costs: Some analyses, such as those from the House Committee on the Budget (.gov), estimate the annual cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers at over $150 billion. Another estimate from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) places this cost at $182 billion
  • Per-Person Impact:
    The cost per illegal alien or U.S.-born child of illegal aliens is estimated at roughly $8,776 annually
    .
  • Net Fiscal Impact: While they pay taxes, reports note they often consume more in public services than they pay in taxes, particularly at the state and local levels, leading to a net fiscal drain.

 

[Hollie]

¡Ay ay ay no creo que esta mujer pueda entender Español!

¡La entrada ilegal no es la única forma de inmigración ilegal porque hay matices!

So no, you still don’t understand that illegal entry into the US is a federal violation.

 

[Dante]

Nonsense, millions of imported illegals creates housing demand thus driving up prices.

• • Total Costs: Some analyses, such as those from the House Committee on the Budget (.gov), estimate the annual cost of illegal immigration to taxpayers at over $150 billion. Another estimate from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) places this cost at $182 billion
  • Per-Person Impact:
    The cost per illegal alien or U.S.-born child of illegal aliens is estimated at roughly $8,776 annually
    .
  • Net Fiscal Impact: While they pay taxes, reports note they often consume more in public services than they pay in taxes, particularly at the state and local levels, leading to a net fiscal drain.

FAIR?
FAIR leaders have ties to white supremacist groups and eugenicists and have made many racist statements. Its advertisements have been rejected because of racist content. FAIR’s founder, the late John Tanton, has expressed his wish that America remain a majority-white population: a goal to be achieved, presumably, by limiting the number of nonwhites who enter the country. One of the group’s main goals is upending the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, which ended a decades-long, racist quota system that limited immigration mostly to northern Europeans. FAIR President Dan Stein has called the Act a “mistake.”

In Their Own Words​

“Immigrants don’t come all church-loving, freedom-loving, God-fearing … Many of them hate America, hate everything that the United States stands for. Talk to some of these Central Americans.” – FAIR President Dan Stein, interviewed by Tucker Carlson, Oct. 2, 1997

“Do we leave it to individuals to decide that they are the intelligent ones who should have more kids? And more troublesome, what about the less intelligent, who logically should have less? Who is going to break the bad news [to less intelligent individuals], and how will it be implemented?” – John Tanton, letter to eugenicist Robert K. Graham (now deceased), Sept. 18, 1996

Federation for American Immigration Reform

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) is a group with one mission: to severely limit immigration into the United States. Although FAIR maintains a veneer of legitimacy that has allowed its principals to testify in Congress and lobby the federal government, this veneer hides much...

www.splcenter.org