Ben Carson says abortion is same as human sacrifice!

[NYcarbineer]

Whatever. Do you disagree that God and the baby have no relationship with the mother and butcher..um doctor?

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Biology is irrelevant. The fetus has no constitutional personhood rights.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

There is an example of the problem.

To you, abortion has nothing to do with religion. IO respect that. To me, it, too has nothing to do with religion. I am not overly religious.

However, to the religious right, abortion is directly related to their belief. They do not believe in killing an unborn child and they believe conception is when life begins.

I disagree, but I respect it. I will never frown on one who is against abortion for religious reasons.

But I am pro choice non the less.

being pro-choice may not be connected per se to religion.....but it is most certainly connected to one's values...

either you believe in the value of right to life or you don't...

liberals see themselves as demi-gods with the power of life or death in their grubby little hands...

I disagree.

It is strictly an issue of "where life begins".

I highly doubt anyone on the left with some ethics would condone abortion if they believed the young fetus was a living child.

this is exactly where liberals conveniently sidestep the FACTS in order to promote their belief system...

planned parenthood doesn't like to show young mothers pictures of the fetus....because it looks too much like a child and the mother might change her mind about getting an abortion...

 

[Jarhead]

I knew you'd say something like that. The Hobby Lobby employee's insurance policy also belongs to the employee, not the Hobby Lobby owners,

therefore Hobby Lobby was not buying birth control for them any more than they would be if the Hobby Lobby employee used her paycheck to pay for an abortion.

And I knew you would say something like that.

Hobby Lobby DOES own the insurance policy. It is under their group policy, premiums are paid by the employer and if the employee were to leave, but keep the insurance, the employee would be given a completely different policy number.

I see you have never owned a business.

So again, your argument is lame. It does not add up.

Find a better one.

The premiums are paid by the employee by the work the employee does. That makes the policy the property of the employee.

You can't go to Hobby Lobby and go on their insurance and have Hobby Lobby pay for it unless you WORK for Hobby Lobby, correct?

Therefore your WORK is the payment for the premium that Hobby Lobby uses to acquire the insurance. Hobby Lobby buys the insurance with the employee's earnings.

Wrong again, my friend.

It is known as a benefit for being employed by the company. Your salary does not go to the premium...and, if, in fact, you deny coverage because your spouse has coverage? You do not get an increase in your salary.

I want to repeat that...

IF, IN FACT, YOU DENY INSURANCE COVERAGE, YOU ARE NOT AWARDED AN INCREASE IN SALARY EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT YOUR PREMIUM WOULD HAVE BEEN.

Your argument is flawed.

Find another one.

 

[Peach]

All I see is blatant racism by attacking a well respected and educated black man who worked hard to become what he is. Clear racism. Shame on you leftist trash.

Well, you cant deny that what he said was pretty much over the top.

But he has been hated by the left since the day he hit the stage as a black conservative.

I respect his views; abortion isn't a "toss up" to me. Human life is human life, fetal viability begins earllier and earler; those who resent welfare remain angry. I see no short term solution.

 

[Ibentoken]

All I see is blatant racism by attacking a well respected and educated black man who worked hard to become what he is. Clear racism. Shame on you leftist trash.

Well, you cant deny that what he said was pretty much over the top.

But he has been hated by the left since the day he hit the stage as a black conservative.

They don't care what he says. That's just an excuse to destroy his character. They have to destroy him for what he represents. A runaway slave. That's the threat. They'll ignore race baiting trash like Sharpton and Jackson because they are leaders of getting the slaves to vote correctly.

 

[BlindBoo]

Religion has nothing to do with it,unless thats the only lame argument you have.

Common sense,its not a goldfish or a cat in there its a human.

Who is ya'll ?? anyone that dosn't think like you.people that value a life?

Abortion indeed, has nothing to do with religion. Human sacrifice did. Most of the anti-choice crowd (ya'll) also push a religious doctrine and some with a zealot like furor.

There is an example of the problem.

To you, abortion has nothing to do with religion. IO respect that. To me, it, too has nothing to do with religion. I am not overly religious.

However, to the religious right, abortion is directly related to their belief. They do not believe in killing an unborn child and they believe conception is when life begins.

I disagree, but I respect it. I will never frown on one who is against abortion for religious reasons.

But I am pro choice non the less.

If it's someones religious belief then they have a choice too. I respect that in that they choose, in their personal life, not to have an abortion. I have no problem with that, the problem I have is the zealot parts that are forcing their religious beliefs on others.

 

[koshergrl]

Ben Carson is full on insane.... as is anyone who listens to his insanity.


and he can think anything he wants about abortion. he shouldn't have one.

Sacrifice:

sac·ri·fice noun \ˈsa-krə-ˌfīs, also -fəs or -ˌfīz\
: the act of giving up something that you want to keep especially in order to get or do something else or to help someone (Hmmm...killing babies for the sake of unfettered sex, for example.. Or killing babies to help Planned Parenthood): an act of killing a person or animal in a religious ceremony as an offering to please a god (hmmm...the god of *Choice*, i.e., "SEX")
: a person or animal that is killed in a sacrifice

Full Definition of SACRIFICE

1
: an act of offering to a deity something precious; especially : the killing of a victim on an altar (the precious right of women to provide sexual favors to anyone who asks them, regardless of whether or not that person is interested in supporting a child)

2
: something offered in sacrifice

3
a : destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else

b : something given up or lost <the sacrifices made by parents>

Sacrifice - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

And you think we're nuts.

Though I suggest that the left doesn't recognize that children are precious, so they aren't really lying when they say killing them doesn't constitute a true sacrifice.

 

[Jarhead]

All I see is blatant racism by attacking a well respected and educated black man who worked hard to become what he is. Clear racism. Shame on you leftist trash.

Well, you cant deny that what he said was pretty much over the top.

But he has been hated by the left since the day he hit the stage as a black conservative.

They don't care what he says. That's just an excuse to destroy his character. They have to destroy him for what he represents. A runaway slave. That's the threat.

I, a conservative in most ways, found what he said disturbing.

He can express his views on abortion...but to compare it to human sacrifice is over the top in my opinion.

If he wants to be in politics, he needs to tone it down.

 

[Ibentoken]

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Biology is irrelevant. The fetus has no constitutional personhood rights.

Bullshit. Tell that to Scott Peterson.

 

[Jarhead]

Abortion indeed, has nothing to do with religion. Human sacrifice did. Most of the anti-choice crowd (ya'll) also push a religious doctrine and some with a zealot like furor.

There is an example of the problem.

To you, abortion has nothing to do with religion. IO respect that. To me, it, too has nothing to do with religion. I am not overly religious.

However, to the religious right, abortion is directly related to their belief. They do not believe in killing an unborn child and they believe conception is when life begins.

I disagree, but I respect it. I will never frown on one who is against abortion for religious reasons.

But I am pro choice non the less.

If it's someones religious belief then they have a choice too. I respect that in that they choose, in their personal life, not to have an abortion. I have no problem with that, the problem I have is the zealot parts that are forcing their religious beliefs on others.

Take out the word religious...

They are ATTEMPTING to force their beliefs on others.

Just as you are.

Not sure why all don't see it that way.

 

[koshergrl]

Abortion indeed, has nothing to do with religion. Human sacrifice did. Most of the anti-choice crowd (ya'll) also push a religious doctrine and some with a zealot like furor.

There is an example of the problem.

To you, abortion has nothing to do with religion. IO respect that. To me, it, too has nothing to do with religion. I am not overly religious.

However, to the religious right, abortion is directly related to their belief. They do not believe in killing an unborn child and they believe conception is when life begins.

I disagree, but I respect it. I will never frown on one who is against abortion for religious reasons.

But I am pro choice non the less.

If it's someones religious belief then they have a choice too. I respect that in that they choose, in their personal life, not to have an abortion. I have no problem with that, the problem I have is the zealot parts that are forcing their religious beliefs on others.

Talk about zealots.

If it is a Christian value to abhorr murder, then the pro-abortion death cultists are honor bound to resist having our "religious beliefs" thrust on them.

The rejection of legalized murder sort of transcends religiosity. At least in civilized society.

 

[Jarhead]

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Biology is irrelevant. The fetus has no constitutional personhood rights.

So then I assume you support late term abortions....even 36 weeks for any reason whatsoever?

Me? I don't.

 

[RDD_1210]

Whatever. Do you disagree that God and the baby have no relationship with the mother and butcher..um doctor?

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Why are there two different terms if they mean the same thing?

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, the death cultists managed to remove the rights of babies..just as death cultists since time immemorial have removed the rights of those they despise.

 

[koshergrl]

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Why are there two different terms if they mean the same thing?

One references the age.

The other is the species.

You do need to go back to school, good grief.

Again the overweening stupidity of the left (while at the same time they assert their brilliance and superior understanding) is breathtaking.

 

[RDD_1210]

Yes, the death cultists managed to remove the rights of babies..just as death cultists since time immemorial have removed the rights of those they despise.

It's funny to watch you pretend that you care about the well being of babies, when you clearly couldn't give a shit.

 

[Jarhead]

I don't believe a God. There is no baby. It is a human fetus. Not considered a child until it is viable. The fetus rely's completely on the mother. So there is a relationship.

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Why are there two different terms if they mean the same thing?

Well...

A child is a human being as is an adult.

Why the different terms?

Perhaps for a more precise identification?

And that's coming from someone who is pro choice.

Do not criticize their position. Understand it and respect it.

 

[RDD_1210]

Then why do you mention God if you don't believe in God?

The fetus is a human being. Take a class in high school biology.

Why are there two different terms if they mean the same thing?

One references the age.

The other is the species.

You do need to go back to school, good grief.

Again the overweening stupidity of the left (while at the same time they assert their brilliance and superior understanding) is breathtaking.

So how old is a fetus? Considering it hasn't been born yet. How is it a baby?

 

[koshergrl]

It's fun to watch you try to make this about me, when you find yourself incapable of intelligently supporting the logic of wanting to facilitate baby killing.

 

[Jarhead]

And I knew you would say something like that.

Hobby Lobby DOES own the insurance policy. It is under their group policy, premiums are paid by the employer and if the employee were to leave, but keep the insurance, the employee would be given a completely different policy number.

I see you have never owned a business.

So again, your argument is lame. It does not add up.

Find a better one.

The premiums are paid by the employee by the work the employee does. That makes the policy the property of the employee.

You can't go to Hobby Lobby and go on their insurance and have Hobby Lobby pay for it unless you WORK for Hobby Lobby, correct?

Therefore your WORK is the payment for the premium that Hobby Lobby uses to acquire the insurance. Hobby Lobby buys the insurance with the employee's earnings.

Wrong again, my friend.

It is known as a benefit for being employed by the company. Your salary does not go to the premium...and, if, in fact, you deny coverage because your spouse has coverage? You do not get an increase in your salary.

I want to repeat that...

IF, IN FACT, YOU DENY INSURANCE COVERAGE, YOU ARE NOT AWARDED AN INCREASE IN SALARY EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT YOUR PREMIUM WOULD HAVE BEEN.

Your argument is flawed.

Find another one.

No response?

I guess you see my point.