I figured you put the term in quotes because it is no longer an accurate way to refer to your fellow woke fascists who have been indoctrinated by your teachers to hate western culture and your own country in particular.
I guess Neil Armstrong didnt do anything worth celebrating either.
yumegari is representative of a new faction of ‘American’…one that Democrats manifested while good REAL Americans sat there on their hands, became pussified and quit giving a shit.
Perspective. I had two uncles (Marines, now deceased) who if they had at that time known who Oppenheimer was and his connection with what he did would have most certainly celebrated him. It saved them from visiting Japan at a bad time.
I'll preface this by saying I'm 100% open to corrections. I've just started my major in history not too long ago, and my independent studies have mostly focused on states outside of Europe. I'd love to learn more from this discussion.So. . . did you think that America and cross cultural interaction was never going to occur? Would you have preferred that conquest and subjugation happen later than it did?
You must explain yourself, for clearly your basic understanding of the evolution of human civilization and global societies has been retarded in some way.
IMO? The fact that it happen BEFORE the enlightenment was most opportune, do you have an argument against that?
Do you seriously have a philosophical argument against the very nature of man?
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Not usually, no.
I don't consider myself "woke." Also, when did I say anything about recognizing or not recognizing the achievements of Columbus? We should definitely recognize them, and we should definitely note them. Where did you get that?
My High School was in the rural area of one of the most republican states in the country. My teachers were very open to having respectful discussions about their ideals, which sort of counteracts the whole idea that they attempted to indoctrinate. I very rarely agreed with either my liberal or conservative (your terms, not mine) teachers.
Why not?
Oh? What'd I do that people haven't been doing for the past hundred years?
Someone's allergic to respectful discussion.
That's a really interesting view, and I certainly respect that. It's all a matter of perspective.
What is quite impressive is that these men set sail in those flimsy ships certain they were sailing to their deaths as they fell off the edge of the world. They did it anyway.Hey, if you think you could have done what Columbus or Leif Eriksson did, with the technology, and the scant seaman's legends about some fabled land laying thousands of miles from civilization. . .
The old Toynbee quote about civilizations dying by suicide, not murder comes to mind.By our standards today? If you read the logs of Columbus' second, who recorded everything that was happening, and you really know the truth? Yeah, what they did, and had been doing? Sounded absolutely horrific, I read them myself in Howard Zinn's book. It would make a good horror movie. It honestly would.
OTH? If you keep perspective about how ALL NATIONS AND CIVILIZATIONS on the planet behaved at that time in history? What Columbus did was what had to be done for Empires to succeed.
Naturally, from a global socialist mindset, folks today can't comprehend competition between civilizations. The strongest survived. If you study anthropology, and found out how the Mongols were successful? It would turn your stomach. The Romans were NOT softies. Nor were the Aztecs.
It takes more than a major in history to understand this, it takes study in political philosophy and study in cutulural anthropology to understand this as well. I would also recommend understanding how Universities get their endowments, how they are politically organized, and their place in culture, so your mind remains independent in it's crtical thinking.
If a civilization wanted to survive, grow and thrive, it had to be blood thirsty and vicious in the past, this is just a fact.
Probably the most benevolent and kind empire to ever exist in the history of humanity is the United State of America. . . it gives folks who are indoctrinated in critical theory today the freedom to slag Columbus, because they are too ignorant to understand any of this.
There seems to be no historical perspective. NONE
Now, the reason I state that it is a good thing the New World was discovered before the Enlightenment, is because, the United States, was created almost by a divine confluence of Grace . . . and luck?
It is the outgrowth of two events. Enlightenment philosophies with the likes of Adam Smith's economic writings on natural law, the Greek and Roman traditions, and the Iroquois experiments in government. Had these two unique traditions, like chocolate and peanut butter, not met, when they did, there never would have been an experiment in self-government the likes of which we have today, known as the United State of America.
The Secret of the U.S. Constitution
The Secret of the U.S. Constitution
The true history of the basis of the U.S. Constitution will surprise most people. And, sadly, it's not taught in schools.mollylarkin.com
The True History of our Constitution
". . .The truth is that the U.S. Constitution is modeled in both principle and form on the Great Law of Peace of the Native American tribe known as the Iroquois.
This is absolutely, unequivocally historical fact. While there may have been other influences, when compared side by side, the influence of the Great Law of Peace is irrefutable.
In 1987, the United States Senate acknowledged that the Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Nations served as a model for the Constitution of the United States. (U.S. S. Con. Res. 76, 2 Dec. 1987).
And since the U.S. Constitution was a model for the charter of the United Nations, the Iroquois Great Law of Peace is also a basis of international law.
When the Founding Fathers looked for examples of effective government and human liberty upon which to model a Constitution to unite the thirteen colonies, they found it in the government of the Iroquois Nation.
In the 18th Century, the Iroquois League was the oldest, most highly evolved participatory democracy on Earth.. . ."
I'm not making an argument about whether what he did was justified or not. What he did was the natural consequence of his time, just as every other event in the history was the natural consequence of its time. There is no avoiding this, and in my opinion its irrelevant to this particular discussion, since I said nothing about Columbus as a person, or the "morality" of states at the time.By our standards today? If you read the logs of Columbus' second, who recorded everything that was happening, and you really know the truth? Yeah, what they did, and had been doing? Sounded absolutely horrific, I read them myself in Howard Zinn's book. It would make a good horror movie. It honestly would.
OTH? If you keep perspective about how ALL NATIONS AND CIVILIZATIONS on the planet behaved at that time in history? What Columbus did was what had to be done for Empires to succeed.
Naturally, from a global socialist mindset, folks today can't comprehend competition between civilizations. The strongest survived. If you study anthropology, and found out how the Mongols were successful? It would turn your stomach. The Romans were NOT softies. Nor were the Aztecs.
It takes more than a major in history to understand this, it takes study in political philosophy and study in cutulural anthropology to understand this as well. I would also recommend understanding how Universities get their endowments, how they are politically organized, and their place in culture, so your mind remains independent in it's crtical thinking.
If a civilization wanted to survive, grow and thrive, it had to be blood thirsty and vicious in the past, this is just a fact.
Probably the most benevolent and kind empire to ever exist in the history of humanity is the United State of America. . . it gives folks who are indoctrinated in critical theory today the freedom to slag Columbus, because they are too ignorant to understand any of this.
There seems to be no historical perspective. NONE
Now, the reason I state that it is a good thing the New World was discovered before the Enlightenment, is because, the United States, was created almost by a divine confluence of Grace . . . and luck?
It is the outgrowth of two events. Enlightenment philosophies with the likes of Adam Smith's economic writings on natural law, the Greek and Roman traditions, and the Iroquois experiments in government. Had these two unique traditions, like chocolate and peanut butter, not met, when they did, there never would have been an experiment in self-government the likes of which we have today, known as the United State of America.
The Secret of the U.S. Constitution
The Secret of the U.S. Constitution
The true history of the basis of the U.S. Constitution will surprise most people. And, sadly, it's not taught in schools.mollylarkin.com
The True History of our Constitution
". . .The truth is that the U.S. Constitution is modeled in both principle and form on the Great Law of Peace of the Native American tribe known as the Iroquois.
This is absolutely, unequivocally historical fact. While there may have been other influences, when compared side by side, the influence of the Great Law of Peace is irrefutable.
In 1987, the United States Senate acknowledged that the Great Law of Peace of the Iroquois Nations served as a model for the Constitution of the United States. (U.S. S. Con. Res. 76, 2 Dec. 1987).
And since the U.S. Constitution was a model for the charter of the United Nations, the Iroquois Great Law of Peace is also a basis of international law.
When the Founding Fathers looked for examples of effective government and human liberty upon which to model a Constitution to unite the thirteen colonies, they found it in the government of the Iroquois Nation.
In the 18th Century, the Iroquois League was the oldest, most highly evolved participatory democracy on Earth.. . ."
I agree that recognizing the good in a culture is very important, and it seems most are caught between either categorically defending their culture or categorically attacking it. Me, and many of the leftists I know, are very conscious about the fact that any culture is a mixed bag, and it should not only be understood in its context, but it should also be viewed critically, bit-by-bit, recognizing where there is value, and discarding relics of past necessity. We recognize that western culture is the best culture to our end, and that many other cultures are categorically opposed to what we espouse as desirable.
I made an argument for why the consequences of it have been negative.
That's a myth perpetrated to school children by the STATE.
Of COURSE Columbus knew there was another continent out there. That was the whole point of his voyage.
I mean, yeah, it's a myth, but what would the state gain by intentionally perpetuating it? Besides, it's a myth that goes back a long, long while. My experience has been that some of my teachers had fallen prey to that myth, and others knew a bit about history.
negative compared to what?
he didnt discovery north america and didnt even make it to the mainland,,,
