Debate Now The Absurdity of 'Woke'

[Foxfyre]

Ok FF

why would anyone wish to identify as something they are not?

start with all the men in women's sports posing as women

~S~

I don't know for sure Sparky other than I am 100% convinced that modern day American liberalism/progressivism/wokeness is truly a mental disorder. People caught up in it or either incapable or refuse to think, evaluate, check anything out, consider any other point of view.

I believe some men pretending to be women in sports may in fact be suffering from mental illness. Or they may just be the ethically corrupt wanting to get records, scholarships and such that they were unable to compete for as the gender they were born.

When some leftist, troll or other, comes up with a new accusation against President Trump, I immediately start checking sources. Mostly are just MSM/legacy media parroting some other source who came up with the accusation. Their accounts are pretty much word for word identical. And usually when I find a source that puts it into its full context, I see how the MSM is wrong or deliberately distorting the facts.

If I cannot refute the accusation, I generally do not comment at all until I have more information.

I think that is what the intellectually honest, those still capable of critical thinking, do.

The 'woke' don't care about what is true. Only what is politically expedient to promote their 'wokeness' however dishonest and/or socially destructive that might be.

 

[IM2]

Ok FF

why would anyone wish to identify as something they are not?

start with all the men in women's sports posing as women

~S~

All 3? What but the women in men's sports who pose as men?

 

[IM2]

I don't know for sure Sparky other than I am 100% convinced that modern day American liberalism/progressivism/wokeness is truly a mental disorder. People caught up in it refuse to think, evaluate, check anything out, consider any other point of view.

I believe men pretending to be women in sports may in fact be mental illness. Or it may just be the ethically corrupt wanting to get records, scholarships and such that they were unable to compete for as the gender they were born.

When some leftist, troll or other, comes up with a new accusation against President Trump, I immediately start checking sources. Mostly are just MSM/legacy media parroting some other source who came up with the accusation. Their accounts are pretty much word for word identical. And usually when I find a source that puts it into its full context, I see how the MSM is wrong or deliberately distorting the facts.

If I cannot refute the accusation, I generally do not comment at all until I have more information.

I think that is what the intellectually honest, those still capable of critical thinking, do.

The 'woke' don't care about what is true. Only what is politically expedient to promote their 'wokeness' however dishonest and/or socially destructive that might be.

Right-wing extremism, such as what you practice, is indeed a mental disorder. You are the ones who refuse to consider other points of view and in fact your side is actively trying to remove other points of view. No one has to accept crazy, And most of what you guys believe is exactly that.

 

[Foxfyre]

Don't play your games with me. The use of plausible deniability by you racists is sickening. You oppose DEI and every example you racists use is about blacks getting jobs or blacks working in high positions. Your entire whiny argument is that whites are being cheated because unqualified blacks are taking jobs over more qualified whites. There is not ONE time that you and the rest of the right-wing scum here have EVER considered the existence of an unqualified white or a well-qualified black. Kamala Harris was DEI to you sorry mfs and she had a Juris doctorate, was a DA, and a 2 time state AG for the second largest DOJ in the country, the U.S. DOJ is the only larger such department. Her legal expertise surpassed many of the current Supreme Court justices serving right now. But to you raggedy pieces of trash, she is unqualified. But a dumb white man who paid people to take his college entrance exam is the most qualified person to ever run the government. All of this whining and bitching from right-wing whites is about restoring white supremacy. If it wasn't, you guys wouldn't be whining about DEI when your white asses are nearly 80 percent of the workforce even though you are 60 percent of the population.

Noted you won't answer any direct question to support your opinion. But since you bring it up, if Kamala was so highly qualified and competent, why did she have the lowest approval ratings--AMONG DEMOCRATS I MIGHT ADD--of any vice president in history? Why did her handlers keep her away from any extemporaneous speaking or interviews or any venue they couldn't strictly control her mouth? Do you in a million years believe she would have been selected as Biden's running mate if she was white or male?

I know she wouldn't have been selected. You know she wouldn't have been selected.

Have a lovely evening.

 

[Foxfyre]

Right-wing extremism, such as what you practice, is indeed a mental disorder. You are the ones who refuse to consider other points of view and in fact your side is actively trying to remove other points of view. No one has to accept crazy, And most of what you guys believe is exactly that.

Give me evidence of your accusations or please find somewhere else to post. Trolling is not allowed on this thread.

 

[Crepitus]

Noted as usual you refuse, most likely are unable to defend your argument re 'woke', DEI or whatever. But do have a pleasant day.

I don't have an "argument".. It simply doesn't exist in the way you believe it does.

 

[Crepitus]

Give me evidence of your accusations or please find somewhere else to post. Trolling is not allowed on this thread.

The evidence is right here in this thread, in your own posts even.

 

[Crepitus]

This may be true, but it sure as hell isn't based on the merit system

WRONG!!!

The whole purpose of DEI is to allow women and people of color to participate in the merit system and not be dismissed out of hand for their sex, race, or other things.

 

[Crepitus]

This is the age of the internet.

Anytime anyone wants, they can look up the facts and truth.

. . . however, I know facts and truth are to those pushing post-modernist ideology, as sunshine is to a vampire.

YOu seem to have lost the thread...

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

In America, you are innocent until proven guilty.

A person cannot be held guilty for the crimes of their parents, grandparents, etc.

IOW?


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS; collective responsibility.



If there were, every German citizen in the 1940s was guilty of the holocaust, and thus, ALL OF THEM deserved the same punishment as those convicted at Nuremberg.

. . this is how absurd your reasoning is.

Common Beale! I did not say anything about guilt-certainly not in the sense of criminality as you imply. I said responsibility. That is different. Accepting responsibility as part of a society that has caused harm to minorities begins with recognizing and acknowledging the injustice. It means not denying institutional racism or the reality of white ( or straight/ heterosexual/ /cisgender/ Christian) privilege . It means being AWARE ( yes, woke) about ones own casual bias and calling out those who -overtly or covertly -practice discrimination There most certainly is such a thing as collective responsibility

 

[MisterBeale]

The whole purpose of DEI is to allow women and people of color to participate in the merit system and not be dismissed out of hand for their color or rage.

Bullshit.

That is the purpose of the Civil Rights Acts. That law and coding into law, has already been there, for many decades. It is ALREADY against the law to dismiss folks because of race, gender, etc.

Civil Rights Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That is NOT what DEI is about at all.

It is this;

Thread by @Rule3O3 on Thread Reader App

@Rule3O3: 🧵 What it’s really like to serve as a tool in the DEI🧵 As I’ve admitted before, despite being a confirmed thought criminal with ties to Big Frog, I’ve many times conspired to violate the 1964...…

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DEI is to make government and corporate organizations look like the population breakdown of the rest of the nation. IOW, the purpose is to try to artificially engineer diversity, and. . . . . communism.

Such an artificial construct, and end goal, makes organizations less effective.

Can you imagine if the NFL, NBA, etc. had DEI requirements for their sports teams?

 

[Crepitus]

Bullshit.

Nope, it's a fact.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Explain specifically what you mean or I would greatly appreciate it if you found somewhere else to post.

Specifically what do I not get? I've given specific examples of what I mean by woke and how definitions of words change from what they were compared to modern day usage. Tell me how I am wrong with any one of those examples.

So far, like most 'woke' leftists, you have been bobbing and weaving and straining at gnats to avoid answering any direct question. That definitely puts you in excellent company with the 'woke'.

What you do not get is that the concept of "woke" transcends the specific issues that you raised- DEI, Cash Bail, Immigration and all of the rest > As I said, this woke thing. as well as DEI is just the new "N" word . That much I think you do get but wont admit it

See post 80 IM2 laid you out cold . I am gleefully anticipating your response to that

For you , woke is just a buzz word that you latch onto as an easy way to deride progressive values . You have little understanding of it and don't care to learn anything.

 

[Coyote]

“Woke” has no meaning anymore. It is now anything the right doesn’t like and it changes daily, often without any understanding of the thing they are calling woke.

“Ridiculous” examples of “woke”…

Good manners: if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. That seems to be too woke for some.

DEI falls under “woke” now. Curb cuts, handicapped restrooms, not discriminating against pregnant women and providing a spot for nursing mothers and changing stations in men’s restrooms for fathers traveling with a baby.

“woke” is not insisting that Black people force their hair into White hairstyles or change their names to White sounding ones in order to get a job interview.

Silliness? Sure. Like changing terminology to “pregnant persons” or “lactating persons” etc. Some of it goes too far. But so does the opposite which is actively erasing entire groups.

 

[buttercup]

The whole woke thing is indeed absurd and stupid. But I also think it's an intentional distraction from bigger, more important issues. And it's just another way for the PTSB to keep us divided and endlessly bickering.... and focusing on each other instead of the true enemy.

 

[sparky]

~S~

 

[eagle1462010]

Woke is just Political Correctness by another name.

That term was abused so it needed a new name.

How does it work? Well they try and SHAME people for speaking their mind. Call you racist if you think Drag Queens are mentally ill. Well they are.

Normal peeps have just grown tired of the 1% of mainly mental people DEMANDING we Accept them. They are loud and proud. How dare you say to a transwomen with a wanker stay out of the girls bathroom with your daughter.

And so on.

 

[MisterBeale]

Nope, it's a fact.

 

[sparky]

This is the 'woke' crowd..>>>



~S~

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So there are two definitions to the term woke, it's original meaning and it's co-opted meaning.

Historically: The term “woke” originated in African American Vernacular English (AAVE) and originally meant being “awake” or aware of social injustices, particularly around racism and inequality. Its use can be traced back to the early 20th century and was revitalized during the Black Lives Matter movement.

Definition (Original, Academic):

“Woke” refers to a heightened awareness of social injustices, particularly those related to systemic racism, inequality, and discrimination.
— Oxford English Dictionary (added in 2017)

Modern Usage (Politicized):In more recent years, especially in right-wing media and political discourse, “woke” has become a pejorative term. It’s used to criticize progressive policies or ideologies perceived as overly politically correct, performative, or out of touch with traditional values.

Definition (Pejorative, Politicized):

“Woke” now often describes left-leaning cultural or political movements perceived to prioritize identity politics, DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion), and social justice in a way that some argue is excessive or misguided.