Banning Abortion- A fool's errand

[JoeB131]

So you think killing the next Micheal Jordan or Einstein is no big deal?

We could also be killing the Next Hitler or Charlie Manson... So no big deal. We might even be killing the next Urkel.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Not sure why I'll try to engage your trolling.

Trolling or not I cannot see why you keep coming back for more after the beatings you take...surrender was your best option

Yup, murder is a big deal. Which is why we need sensible gun control, poverty relief programs, treating addiction as a medical issue instead of a criminal one, etc.

Those are specious arguments..."gun control" is just another attempt of/at left wing end runs around the constitution, [thats why the left never calls it 'gun control that does not infringe or violate']...
...And "welfare" is a poverty relief program that works exactly the way its critics said it would...
...and "treating addiction as a medical condition" is just another way the 60's liberal mentality perpetuates drug use in America for a condition they created, should we be making needles easier or harder for addicts to get their hands on joe?
[personally I do think people should be able to get high if they want, but it's all on them and those who advocate for their destructive addictive behavior not the rest of us]

Abortion, not a big deal because at the end of the day, if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she'll find a way to not be pregnant.

Sounds like the perfect argument for those who oppose abortion

 

[Wyatt earp]

We could also be killing the Next Hitler or Charlie Manson... So no big deal. We might even be killing the next Urkel.

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Yup you have no problem killing the return of Jesus don't you?

 

[JoeB131]

Those are specious arguments..."gun control" is just another attempt of/at left wing end runs around the constitution, [thats why the left never calls it 'gun control that does not infringe or violate']...

The constitution isn't a suicide pact, and the Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias.

...And "welfare" is a poverty relief program that works exactly the way its critics said it would...

Not at all. Welfare has massively reduced poverty in this country.

...and "treating addiction as a medical condition" is just another way the 60's liberal mentality perpetuates drug use in America for a condition they created, should we be making needles easier or harder for addicts to get their hands on joe?

We made needles easier to get so that drug users wouldn't spread diseaes like HIV< and it worked. What we need to do is make sure addicts can get into rehab.

Sounds like the perfect argument for those who oppose abortion

Quite the opposite, but you are kind of slow.

Yup you have no problem killing the return of Jesus don't you?

Well, considering if Jesus actually "returned" that would be the end of the world, aborting him would be a good thing, we can keep on living.

Of course, Jesus never existed, so he can't come back.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The constitution isn't a suicide pact,

and that includes the right to bear arms

and the Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias.

...And why the right to bear arms is so important in maintaining them...and how infringing on that is a great big NO-NO, but what it really is is a red flag amendment to alert the citizenry when the tyrants have come for it and them

 

[JoeB131]

...And why the right to bear arms is so important in maintaining them...and how infringing on that is a great big NO-NO, but what it really is is a red flag amendment to alert the citizenry when the tyrants have come for it and them

Bullshit. You owning a gun does not prevent tyranny. It just makes it easier to kill your neighbor over the dog shitting on your lawn, and that happens way too often.

The government has tanks and bombers. They win.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Not at all. Welfare has massively reduced poverty in this country.

problem solved

We made needles easier to get so that drug users wouldn't spread diseaes like HIV< and it worked.

I won't deny it helps prevent disease, but the drug users and proponents of drug use are themselves responsible for those diseases and are the ones that should be held accountable for its expenses, not those who are smart enough to see the folly of giving addicts needles and then pretending it does not make rehab less desirable

What we need to do is make sure addicts can get into rehab.

and making needles easier to get will surely make them want to get into rehab, right?...and its not what "WE" need to do but what the users and advocates need to do themselves.

Quite the opposite, but you are kind of slow.

what is quite opposite joe?

 

[JoeB131]

I won't deny it helps prevent disease, but the drug users and proponents of drug use are themselves responsible for those diseases and are the ones that should be held accountable for its expenses, not those who are smart enough to see the folly of giving addicts needles and then pretending it does not make rehab less desirable

Or they could spread it to their partners... that's the point.

and making needles easier to get will surely make them want to get into rehab, right?...and its not what "WE" need to do but what the users and advocates need to do themselves.

Two separate issues.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The constitution isn't a suicide pact, and the Second Amendment is about Well-Regulated Militias.


Not at all. Welfare has massively reduced poverty in this country.



We made needles easier to get so that drug users wouldn't spread diseaes like HIV< and it worked. What we need to do is make sure addicts can get into rehab.



Quite the opposite, but you are kind of slow.



Well, considering if Jesus actually "returned" that would be the end of the world, aborting him would be a good thing, we can keep on living.

Of course, Jesus never existed, so he can't come back.

Just the end of Satanic worshipers like you...

 

[JoeB131]

Just the end of Satanic worshipers like you...

The sad thing is you think "Satan" is real.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The sad thing is you think "Satan" is real.

Uhm he is every time you look in the mirror

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Bullshit. You owning a gun does not prevent tyranny. It just makes it easier to kill your neighbor over the dog shitting on your lawn, and that happens way too often.

Has absolutely nothing to do with my post, sounds just like a keyboard pounding rant from someone tired of being on the losing end of every argument he/she has ever been in...
My post was about an amendment that was designed to raise red flags when the tyrants show up and for the purpose of taking action politically in the hopes of making fighting unnecessary...
and joe, that dog spitting thing, that doesn't happen, that's just an old fascists tale

The government has tanks and bombers. They win.

why would they win joe?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Or they could spread it to their partners... that's the point.

really, so "getting them into rehab" was not the point then? just some clever ruse of yours to keep me from seeing it was their partners you were/was talking about? every time you get shot down/caught in a lie, you try to pretend something else was the point

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Two separate issues.

yeah, that way you don't have to address the contradiction that once again has tripped you up

 

[Colin norris]

This is a massive red herring and missing the point entirely (the part in bold).

It's about what's right and what's moral.

Drugs and certain types of weapons are illegal and outlawed too but if there's a demand for it people will always get it - but again it's about what's right.

No-one's stupid. Back street abortions will still happen, that doesn't mean you encourage abortions in law either.

Even in the short-term if this new law stops even just a small handful of abortions then it's done good right away.

Medium to longer term it will encourage folk to be more responsible and in time this flippant attitude of using abortion as a form of contraception will vanish.

That's the whole point.

That is not the point. It's filthy religion which is forcing them to be anti abortion. You are not pro life. You are pro birth because you think God has told you so. In fact God does not exist.
Only now You are bellowing about your freedoms towards vacinne mandates.
Where's the freedom for women to control their bodies without some filthy religion interfering? Make no mistake. That's where the majority of the criticism comes from.
What happens when a godbotherers teenager gets pregnant? They don't mind abortions then be ause they like to look pure to the community.
What about religious women who get pregnant and don't want the child? Abortions are ok then also.
Religious women have abortion at the same rate as atheists women because God isn't really watching. You just like to scare the shit out of young girls with that crap.
You're hypocrisy on this subject is breathtaking.
Absolutely disgusting of a modern society. It's not as if this religious stuff has ever altered a society for the better.

 

[JoeB131]

My post was about an amendment that was designed to raise red flags when the tyrants show up and for the purpose of taking action politically in the hopes of making fighting unnecessary...

Actually, it was about an amendment to keep white slave owners armed to keep the darkies in line. The Founding Slave Rapists never intended for universal gun proliferation...that would be crazy.

and joe, that dog spitting thing, that doesn't happen, that's just an old fascists tale

Really? So you are saying an incident over some gun nut shooting a neighbor over a dispute about dog poop never happens.

Well, here's one.

Former NASA exec found guilty of killing neighbor over dog poop, noise and trash complaints

Michael Hetle, 54, of Springfield, Virginia, was convicted Thursday of first-degree murder in the March 3, 2020, death of 24-year-old Javon Malik Prather. The deadly shooting and its aftermath were captured on Hetle's doorbell camera.

www.kiro7.com

FAIRFAX, Va. — Michael Hetle was an executive at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C. His neighbor, Javon Prather, worked at a grocery store and was a member of the Maryland National Guard.

Years of disputes between the two men over dog feces, noise and trash ended in gunfire last March. On Thursday, Hetle, 54, of Springfield, Virginia, was convicted of first-degree murder in Prather’s death.

Wait, here's another one.

‘Like a war zone’: Florida man, 82, fatally shoots neighbor, 11-year-old girl

An 82-year-old Florida man fatally shot a neighbor and his 11-year-old daughter after a dispute over a dog, authorities said Tuesday.

www.fox23.com

Hold on, here's another one.

Georgia man confesses to fatally shooting neighbor over dog poop in his yard

A Georgia man allegedly told police officers that he shot and killed his neighbor because he was tired of the man’s dog pooping in his yard. Larry Bates was arrested last month for the murder…

www.nydailynews.com

A Georgia man allegedly told police officers that he shot and killed his neighbor because he was tired of the man's dog pooping in his yard.
Larry Bates was arrested last month for the murder of Paul Wilson, who lived across the street from him. Bates also shot and killed one of the dogs Wilson was walking.

 

[Dayton3]

So the Supreme Court just overturned Roe v. Wade in the most cowardly way possible.

Of course, Roe was always based on some legal jiggery-pokery, in that it found a "right to privacy" that never really existed without addressing the issue of when life begins.

The reason why the court did this was because they knew the laws on the books in most states in 1973 were unworkable and had to go, because no one was following them. But like all failed ideas, this time will be different, the advocates say.

Okay, let's get real here.

For the anti-abortion crowd, what is your real solution? Are you going to put pregnant women under house arrest to make sure they don't get abortions? Or are you just going to overturn Roe v. Wade and pretend you accomplished something.

This is one of the absolutely stupid suggestions that comes up. We don't use such methods to prevent any other crimes. Why would it be different for abortion?

 

[JoeB131]

This is one of the absolutely stupid suggestions that comes up. We don't use such methods to prevent any other crimes. Why would it be different for abortion?

Actually, we have.

Read up on prohibition some time, dummy. The religious nutters got alcohol banned by convincing stupid people that those dirty German immigrants were doing something nefarious for the Kaiser in the local tavern.

Then when they actually banned alcohol... nobody obeyed the law. Alcohol consumption was 70% of what it was pre-prohibition by the time the 21st Amendment was passed

In short, they realized the law was unworkable and changed it.

 

[LuckyDuck]

So the Supreme Court just overturned Roe v. Wade in the most cowardly way possible.

Of course, Roe was always based on some legal jiggery-pokery, in that it found a "right to privacy" that never really existed without addressing the issue of when life begins.

The reason why the court did this was because they knew the laws on the books in most states in 1973 were unworkable and had to go, because no one was following them. But like all failed ideas, this time will be different, the advocates say.

Okay, let's get real here.

For the anti-abortion crowd, what is your real solution? Are you going to put pregnant women under house arrest to make sure they don't get abortions? Or are you just going to overturn Roe v. Wade and pretend you accomplished something.

How about prostitution? Prostitution is illegal in 49 states. Yet it is believed that there are 1 million working prostitutes in the United States today, and you can find massage parlors, strip joints and escort services pretty easily.

Okay, how about alcohol? Remember prohibition? (Well, even I'm not *that* old.) Well guess what, that didn't stop people from drinking. People found all sorts of imaginative ways to get around that law, Al Capone was pretty much openly smuggling alcohol into the country or making it illegally and the only way the government actually got him was on income tax evasion.

How's that war on drugs working out for you? Well, not so well. According to estimates, 19.1 million Americans over the age of 12 have used drugs within the last 30 days. "Just Say No (not today)" We spend billions on it, lock up more people than any country in the world. Hey, how many drug users are you going to want to cut loose to make room for the abortion patients?


Now, taking all of these factors into account- Exactly what mechanism are you guys going to use to ban abortion? Because none of these other prohibitions seem to work terribly well, especially when law enforcement is already stretched pretty thin.

All I can do is address where I stand on the issues, personally. I'm male, widowed, elderly and don't consider myself an old geezer mentally.
Abortion: I recommend ample education in schools about pregnancy, STD's, prophylactics to prevent pregnancy and the lifetime responsibilities and costs associated with having children. Any and all kids you have, are yours and yours for "life." To be a decent responsible parent, you don't just pawn them off on your own parents. Just because you've raised them to adulthood, doesn't mean they are not going to be dependent upon you in adulthood. I know, I'm living it. If you have chosen to ignore all that you've learned in those sex education classes and do get pregnant, there should be options available for you to end the pregnancy, but only early on, not once the child has a heartbeat and is formed. Once that stage is reached you should make plans for the child to be turned over to an agency that will find suitable parents for the child, or you should take on the responsibility of raising him/her (I'm not going to get into the gender nonsense on this topic) yourself. An exception to aborting the child in the late term should only be done if the birth will be severely dangerous to the mother, or the child has some genetic abnormality that would leave him/her with no decent quality of life (I'm not talking Down's Syndrome or some other moderate form of abnormality).
You brought in the topic of "prostitution." On that totally different subject, I see no problem with prostitution if it is like what goes on in Nevada. A structured environment where the women and clients are NOT minors, can be shown to be in it voluntarily and take regular examinations, adequate protections against STD's, pregnancy and ensure that the clients have been tested ahead of time shortly before using the services offered. Such an establishment should be professional and taxed like any other business. Frankly, there are some people out there who, because they are physically unpleasant to look at, couldn't get a legitimate date to save their lives, so they should have an outlet for their personal needs, not be denied physical pleasures because of their appearance. So, let it be legal, as it brings in revenue.
As to the "war on drugs," sorry, on that I draw a line in the sand. In order to obtain the same "high" one achieved through Heroin's initial use, the dosage must continue to be gradually increased and thus the financial and physical costs continue to go up. Eventually, you have an individual who is suffering from "drug-induced psychosis," which is not reversable and he or she is mentally "out-of-it" from then on. Crack Cocaine is also very addictive and the cost of achieving the high just continues to escalate. In both scenarios, the addicted need to steal from others to afford their addiction. Making the substance legal wouldn't change their need and need to steal to afford the drug(s). PCP, well people on that have gone on to kill others while high on it. Rohypnol, the rape drug, shouldn't be legal for obvious reasons. Fentanyl killed 75,672 people last year alone. Some states have made it legal, but for me, it's just the god-awful smell that I don't like and the fact that apparently, once the users heard it was legal, they think they can smoke it and drive too.

 

[Dayton3]

Actually, we have.

Read up on prohibition some time, dummy. The religious nutters got alcohol banned by convincing stupid people that those dirty German immigrants were doing something nefarious for the Kaiser in the local tavern.

Then when they actually banned alcohol... nobody obeyed the law. Alcohol consumption was 70% of what it was pre-prohibition by the time the 21st Amendment was passed

That's a 30% drop right there. Sounds like prohibition was pretty successful.

Do you have a source on that so I can use it in future debates?