Banning Abortion- A fool's errand

That's a 30% drop right there. Sounds like prohibition was pretty successful.

Do you have a source on that so I can use it in future debates?

Uh, no, it wasn't. In exchange for that 30% decrease, you enabled organized crime, thousands of people were poisoned when moonshiners used industrial alcohol to make products, you put hundreds of thousands of people out of jobs by dismantling the fifth largest industry in the US, and cost the government billions in revenue.
 
Abortion: I recommend ample education in schools about pregnancy, STD's, prophylactics to prevent pregnancy and the lifetime responsibilities and costs associated with having children. Any and all kids you have, are yours and yours for "life." To be a decent responsible parent, you don't just pawn them off on your own parents. Just because you've raised them to adulthood, doesn't mean they are not going to be dependent upon you in adulthood. I know, I'm living it. If you have chosen to ignore all that you've learned in those sex education classes and do get pregnant, there should be options available for you to end the pregnancy, but only early on, not once the child has a heartbeat and is formed. Once that stage is reached you should make plans for the child to be turned over to an agency that will find suitable parents for the child, or you should take on the responsibility of raising him/her (I'm not going to get into the gender nonsense on this topic) yourself. An exception to aborting the child in the late term should only be done if the birth will be severely dangerous to the mother, or the child has some genetic abnormality that would leave him/her with no decent quality of life (I'm not talking Down's Syndrome or some other moderate form of abnormality).

Or. You let the woman and her doctor decide and mind your own fucking business. Wow. That was simple.
 
Actually, it was about an amendment to keep white slave owners armed to keep the darkies in line.
and then they used the first amendment to cover it up?
like all of todays white liberals you can no longer hide your disdain for the constitution,
and once again as soon as it becomes apparent that the white liberal cause in the debate has been clearly and cleanly debunked mighty whitey inserts his minority du jour between himself and whoever it is that has clobbered him/her this time around
The Founding Slave Rapists
Who formed what has become your wing of the party joe [todays white liberals]...
never intended for universal gun proliferation...that would be crazy.
did they intend that the people have the right to bear arms and that that right should not be infringed upon?

FAIRFAX, Va. — Michael Hetle was an executive at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C. His neighbor, Javon Prather, worked at a grocery store and was a member of the Maryland National Guard.

Years of disputes between the two men over dog feces, noise and trash ended in gunfire last March. On Thursday, Hetle, 54, of Springfield, Virginia, was convicted of first-degree murder in Prather’s death.

Wait, here's another one.
It says there that the cause was dog feces, noise and trash not guns joe...blaming the guns is what makes it an old fascists tale

Hold on, here's another one.

A Georgia man allegedly told police officers that he shot and killed his neighbor because he was tired of the man's dog pooping in his yard.
Larry Bates was arrested last month for the murder of Paul Wilson, who lived across the street from him. Bates also shot and killed one of the dogs Wilson was walking.
what do they mean by "ALLEGEDLY" joe? if they knew what he actually said to police they would not have used the word alegedly now would they?

Joe, would banning dogs have prevented these things? would you be for that if it helped?
 
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Actually, it was about an amendment to keep white slave owners armed to keep the darkies in line. The Founding Slave Rapists never intended for universal gun proliferation...that would be crazy.
For one those "white slave owners and rapists" went on to form your wing of the party that supported lynching right up to the 1950's and only gave it up then because a new medical procedure that was far more efficient was just around the corner,
not only could and would it greatly increase the numbers of minorities dispatched but they could now pat themselves on the back for a job well done while pretending that those who disagreed were the racists.
 
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We had fewer abortions when abortion was legal. We has something worse. We had a social cost. The family of such a woman would turn her out in the street. She had no friends, no church would permit her entry. No store would sell to her. For the rest of her life. Women that killed their children could only move to somewhere she was unknown and hope no one found out.
 
For one those "white slave owners and rapists" went on to form your wing of the party that supported lynching right up to the 1950's and only gave it up then because a new medical procedure that was far more efficient was just around the corner,
not only could and would it greatly increase the numbers of minorities dispatched but they could now pat themselves on the back for a job well done while pretending that those who disagreed were the racists.
The white slave owners and rapists didn't do a good enough job. We are stuck with 12.4% of their mistake.
 
Or. You let the woman and her doctor decide and mind your own fucking business. Wow. That was simple.
Once the fetus has a heartbeat and fully formed, it can actually be considered a "baby." So, if killing babies is acceptable to you just because they haven't been spit out yet, or by some advocates, even after they've been officially born, by your reasoning, there's no reason we can't kill them well after they are out, even into childhood. They are a definite financial burden after all. Hitler would definitely like you.
 
No racism there old darling. And you call yourself a Christian.
Gotcha! I just love pulling chains and watching the flush.
By the way. You wouldn't mind finding the post where I called myself a Christian, would you? Now be a good boy and run along.
 
Once the fetus has a heartbeat and fully formed, it can actually be considered a "baby." So, if killing babies is acceptable to you just because they haven't been spit out yet, or by some advocates, even after they've been officially born, by your reasoning, there's no reason we can't kill them well after they are out, even into childhood. They are a definite financial burden after all. Hitler would definitely like you.
If you consider abortion killing children, and it is, conduct your life accordingly. Abortion is part of the reason that 12.4% percentage of blacks isn't 13% by now.
 
did they intend that the people have the right to bear arms and that that right should not be infringed upon?
When the Founding Slave Rapists said, "the People" they meant white, property owning males. Guns in Colonial times were expensive and not really practical for much. Which is why only the elite owned them.

For one those "white slave owners and rapists" went on to form your wing of the party that supported lynching right up to the 1950's and only gave it up then because a new medical procedure that was far more efficient was just around the corner,

Bullshit. Abortion happens because WOMEN want it to happen. THere isn't an abortion truck snatching ladies off the streets making them get abortions.

Also, women have been having abortions throughout history.
 
Once the fetus has a heartbeat and fully formed, it can actually be considered a "baby." So, if killing babies is acceptable to you just because they haven't been spit out yet, or by some advocates, even after they've been officially born, by your reasoning, there's no reason we can't kill them well after they are out, even into childhood. They are a definite financial burden after all. Hitler would definitely like you.

Given the light sentences women are given for Post Partum Murder, six of one, half dozen of the other.

Fetuses still aren't babies.

We had fewer abortions when abortion was legal. We has something worse. We had a social cost. The family of such a woman would turn her out in the street. She had no friends, no church would permit her entry. No store would sell to her. For the rest of her life. Women that killed their children could only move to somewhere she was unknown and hope no one found out.

When was this magic time?
Here's what actually happened.

Women got abortions from providers... no one else knew about it and they got on with their lives.
 
That is not the point. It's filthy religion which is forcing them to be anti abortion. You are not pro life. You are pro birth because you think God has told you so. In fact God does not exist.
Only now You are bellowing about your freedoms towards vacinne mandates.
Where's the freedom for women to control their bodies without some filthy religion interfering? Make no mistake. That's where the majority of the criticism comes from.
What happens when a godbotherers teenager gets pregnant? They don't mind abortions then be ause they like to look pure to the community.
What about religious women who get pregnant and don't want the child? Abortions are ok then also.
Religious women have abortion at the same rate as atheists women because God isn't really watching. You just like to scare the shit out of young girls with that crap.
You're hypocrisy on this subject is breathtaking.
Absolutely disgusting of a modern society. It's not as if this religious stuff has ever altered a society for the better.
So you think people are born with out knowing right from wrong?
 
Given the light sentences women are given for Post Partum Murder, six of one, half dozen of the other.

Fetuses still aren't babies.



When was this magic time?
Here's what actually happened.

Women got abortions from providers... no one else knew about it and they got on with their lives.
According two the law in most jurisdictions its double homicide meth head Joe, if you murder a pregnant woman it's double homicide


So it is a baby
 
Given the light sentences women are given for Post Partum Murder, six of one, half dozen of the other.

Fetuses still aren't babies.



When was this magic time?
Here's what actually happened.

Women got abortions from providers... no one else knew about it and they got on with their lives.
Gads you have a stellar opinion of gossip. If a woman had an understanding family she went away, quietly had an abortion and returned after a period of studying abroad. If a woman did not have an understanding family she was put out on the street to end up doing laundry at a home for unwed mothers.
 
When the Founding Slave Rapists said, "the People" they meant white, property owning males. Guns in Colonial times were expensive and not really practical for much. Which is why only the elite owned them.



Bullshit. Abortion happens because WOMEN want it to happen. THere isn't an abortion truck snatching ladies off the streets making them get abortions.

Also, women have been having abortions throughout history.
Everyone owned a gun. If you didn't have a gun you didn't eat. By age 11 boys were expected to be able to hunt and put food on the family table.
 
So you think people are born with out knowing right from wrong?
A just born foetus doesn't even know it's alive for months. How could it possibly know that?

It's religion which drives the abortion drbate and you know it. The godbotherers think they are doing gods work after they think they received permission from him. It's bullshit.
 
If you want to talk about abortion, you should have a firm answer to the question as to when "life begins." Here's mine:

A new and living human being is created as soon as an egg is fertilized. That human being has separate DNA from both the father and the mother, and cannot said to be merely a part of either of them. Yes, it is a "clump of cells." So am I.

Abortion takes a human life.

That said, as a libertarian, I oppose banning abortion, for two main reasons:

The fact that a newly fertilized embryo is a human being does not give it the right to force its mother to carry it to term.

Banning abortion is ineffective in stopping abortion, just like banning gambling, banning drugs, banning prostitution, and banning deviant sex. Driving an activity underground does not get rid of it. It only makes it far less safe, and far more open to exploitation of children.

Helping women who are pregnant and not wanting to be to have their child and put it up for adoption is far more productive.

Not all libertarians oppose banning abortion. Many see unborn children as the littlest freedom seeking humans, and want to protect them.
 
If you want to talk about abortion, you should have a firm answer to the question as to when "life begins." Here's mine:

A new and living human being is created as soon as an egg is fertilized.
No. It doesn't have the capacity to think etc and cannot survive with care for years.
A bunch of cells cannot be given the status.
That human being has separate DNA from both the father and the mother, and cannot said to be merely a part of either of them. Yes, it is a "clump of cells." So am I.
You are a human being. Nothong like a miniscule foetus.
When an egg is fertiliser, approximately 80 to 100 can fit inside the eye of a needle hole. That is not a human being
Abortion takes a human life.
Not in my opinion.
That said, as a libertarian, I oppose banning abortion, for two main reasons:

The fact that a newly fertilized embryo is a human being does not give it the right to force its mother to carry it to term.
I agree
Banning abortion is ineffective in stopping abortion, just like banning gambling, banning drugs, banning prostitution, and banning deviant sex. Driving an activity underground does not get rid of it. It only makes it far less safe, and far more open to exploitation of children.
I agree
Helping women who are pregnant and not wanting to be to have their child and put it up for adoption is far more productive.
Exactly but all those who protest outside clinics have never adopted one child. They are not pro life. They are pro birth.
Not all libertarians oppose banning abortion. Many see unborn children as the littlest freedom seeking humans, and want to protect them.
Quite a noble gesture.
 

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