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[sealybobo]

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

1. There is no evidence to support any of the claims made in the Bible concerning the existence of a god. Any ‘evidence’ proposed by theists to support the Bible’s various historical and supernatural claims is non-existent at best, manufactured at worst.
2. The Bible is not self-authenticating; it is simply one of many religious texts. Like those other texts, it itself constitutes no evidence for the existence of a god. Its florid prose and fanciful content do not legitimise it nor distinguish it from other ancient works of literature.
   
   The Bible is historically inaccurate, factually incorrect, inconsistent and contradictory. It was artificially constructed by a group of men in antiquity and is poorly translated, heavily altered and selectively interpreted. Entire sections of the text have been redacted over time.
   
   Biblical Jesus was real.
3. There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus’ existence or the Bible’s account of his life; no artefacts, dwellings, works of carpentry, self-written manuscripts, court records, eyewitness testimony, official diaries, birth records, reflections on his significance or written disputes about his teachings. Nothing survives from the time in which he is said to have lived.
   
   All historical references to Jesus derive from hearsay accounts written decades or centuries after his supposed death. These historical references generally refer to early Christians rather than a historical Jesus and, in some cases, directly contradict the Gospels or were deliberately manufactured.
   
   The Gospels themselves contradict one-another on many key events and were constructed by unknown authors up to a century after the events they describe are said to have occurred. They are not eyewitness accounts. The New Testament, as a whole, contains many internal inconsistencies as a result of its piecemeal construction and isfactually incorrect on several historical claims, such as the early existence of Nazareth, the reign of Herod and the Roman census. Like the Old Testament, it too has had entire books and sections redacted.
   
   The Biblical account of Jesus has striking similarities with other mythologies and textsand many of his supposed teachings existed prior to his time. It is likely the character was either partly or entirely invented by competing first century messianic cults from an amalgamation of Greco-Roman, Egyptian and Judeo-Apocalyptic myths and prophecies.
   
   Even if Jesus’ existence could be established, this would in no way validate Christian theology or any element of the story portrayed in the Bible, such as the performance of miracles or the resurrection. Simply because it is conceivable a heretical Jewish preacher named Yeshua lived circa 30 AD, had followers and was executed, does not imply the son of a god walked the Earth at that time.
   
   The motivation for belief in a divine, salvational Jesus breaks down when you accept evolution:
   
   “Now, if the book of Genesis is an allegory, then sin is an allegory, the Fall is an allegory and the need for a Savior is an allegory – but if we are all descendants of an allegory, where does that leave us? It destroys the foundation of all Christian doctrine—it destroys the foundation of the gospel.” – Ken Ham

Nice big long statement but you did not answer the question.

Because they had droughts where they witnessed what was once under water now above water. Don't make me explain every little thing that shocks and amazes simpletons. Nothing in the bible proves a god exists. Get over it. If it did why are their so many Jews and Muslims? You'll have an easier time convincing a Muslim or Jew than you will an atheist because at least they already believe in gods.

3,000 years ago people thought that the deep ocean floors were flat.
The Bible said it wasn't.

The earth was "flat" too silly but does it look completely flat?

 

[sealybobo]

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

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[sealybobo]

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Not really. Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat

The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.

Every inconsistency in the bible can be explained away because if you show me one scripture that says one thing, I'll show you another that says another.

 

[peach174]

"It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE*
of the earth, and the inhabitants
thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent
to dwell in." --Isaiah 40:22
*Circle=Hebrew "chuwg",meaning "sphere"

In addition to that, Job (circa 1,800 B.C.)speaks of his Maker as follows:
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7

 

[sealybobo]

First, we didn't know the earth was round 3000 years ago.

Second, watch the cosmos. They explain how throughout history humans have discovered things like the earth is moving not in a fixed position and each time the churches and rulers stifled this knowledge. Even back during Plato's day, just before Christianity, they discovered science and math but they held it all back from the masses. Why? To keep us dumb.

They rather just keep feeding you a big lie and control you.

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Yea, like a pancake.

Theists like to point to Isaiah 40:22, which says: "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth".

In Job, the shape of the Earth is a little more specific, when it says that the "Earth takes shape like clay under a seal."
Have you seen what clay seals look like?
STRETCH!!!

 

[peach174]

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Not really. Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat

The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.

Every inconsistency in the bible can be explained away because if you show me one scripture that says one thing, I'll show you another that says another.

You mean interpreted to your own way of thought.

 

[peach174]

How did they know about the deep ocean sea floors?
The Bible explains both.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Yea, like a pancake.

Theists like to point to Isaiah 40:22, which says: "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth".

In Job, the shape of the Earth is a little more specific, when it says that the "Earth takes shape like clay under a seal."
Have you seen what clay seals look like?
STRETCH!!!

I know you will not be convinced of God.
On Judgment day you will.

 

[sealybobo]

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Not really. Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat

The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.

Every inconsistency in the bible can be explained away because if you show me one scripture that says one thing, I'll show you another that says another.

You mean interpreted to your own way of thought.

Exactly what you guys do.

I can show you in the bible where it says being gay won't prevent you from going to heaven. In other words, gays go to heaven too. Want to see where I found that said in the bible?

I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Don't tell me I interpreted it wrong. Like you I can interpret it any way I want.

 

[sealybobo]

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Yea, like a pancake.

Theists like to point to Isaiah 40:22, which says: "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth".

In Job, the shape of the Earth is a little more specific, when it says that the "Earth takes shape like clay under a seal."
Have you seen what clay seals look like?
STRETCH!!!

I know you will not be convinced of God.
On Judgment day you will.

Want to know what it'll be like for 14 billion years after you die? Do you remember what it was like 14 billion years before you were born? That's what it'll be like.

I know you hope and wish for a heaven where you will live in paradise forever but that's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. Is your heaven separate from Bin Ladin's?

 

[sealybobo]

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Yea, like a pancake.

Theists like to point to Isaiah 40:22, which says: "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth".

In Job, the shape of the Earth is a little more specific, when it says that the "Earth takes shape like clay under a seal."
Have you seen what clay seals look like?
STRETCH!!!

I know you will not be convinced of God.
On Judgment day you will.

If there is a god, it isn't your god. No way a god would make the test to get into heaven a test of how stupid you are to believe stories that come from your made up church that can't possibly be true.

 

[sealybobo]

I already answered this.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Yea, like a pancake.

Theists like to point to Isaiah 40:22, which says: "It is he who sits above the circle of the earth".

In Job, the shape of the Earth is a little more specific, when it says that the "Earth takes shape like clay under a seal."
Have you seen what clay seals look like?
STRETCH!!!

I know you will not be convinced of God.
On Judgment day you will.

Nuts like you and your preacher won't convince me. What will?

A particular standard of evidence is required to prove any claim. This ‘standard’ is adjusted depending upon the nature of the claim. Since god’s existence is an extraordinary claim, perhaps the most extraordinary claim, proving it requires equally extraordinary evidence.

The standard of evidence required to prove a god’s existence is immediately more than any personal anecdote, witness testimony, ancient book or reported miracle – none of which can be considered extraordinarily reliable. The human mind is also highly susceptible to being fooled and even fooling itself. One could be suffering from an hallucination or a form of undiagnosed schizophrenia, hysteria or psychosis, ruling out even our own senses as reliable evidence gathering mechanisms in this case. As strange as it sounds, misunderstood aliens might even be attempting to interact with us using extremely advanced technology. In fact, reality itself could be a computer simulationwhich we unknowingly inhabit.

Every conceivable argument, every imaginable piece of evidence for god is not without some fatal flaw or more likely explanation which precludes it from being used as definitive proof. Note: This is not the same as being close-minded.

There is, however, a simple answer to this question: God is what it would take to convince an atheist. An omniscient god would know the exact standard of evidence required to convince any atheist of its existence and, being omnipotent, it would also be able to immediately produce this evidence. If it wanted to, a god could conceivably change the brain chemistry of any individual in order to compel them to believe. It could even restructure the entire universe in such a way as to make non-belief impossible.

In short, a god actually proving its own existence is what would convince any atheist of said god’s existence.

 

[sealybobo]

I don’t want to go to hell/You will go to hell.
Pascal’s Wager does not actually argue in support of the existence of a god, rather, it simply attempts to coerce insincere worship. There are several issues with this approach:

• Multiple inconsistent and contradictory revelations (Which god/hell?)
• Hell is incompatible with an omnibenevolent god.

• A god could reward reasoning/skepticism.

• An omniscient god would see through feigned belief as a result of coercion.

• If a god wanted everyone to believe and knew exactly what was needed to convince people, then why are there atheists at all? Is god unable to prevent transgression of his will?

• Infallible foreknowledge is incompatible with free will (Are atheists predestined for hell?)

• Most people adhere to the religion they were born into, they have not examined all other religions.
• What is the fate of the unlearned? What happens to people who have not encountered the specific religion in which hell is an issue.

See also: Dawkins – What if you’re wrong? (a must watch), The Problem of Hell, Hell: An excessive punishment, The Atheist’s Wager.

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” — Anonymous

“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.” – Gene Roddenberry

 

[peach174]

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Not really. Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat

The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.

Every inconsistency in the bible can be explained away because if you show me one scripture that says one thing, I'll show you another that says another.

You mean interpreted to your own way of thought.

Exactly what you guys do.

I can show you in the bible where it says being gay won't prevent you from going to heaven. In other words, gays go to heaven too. Want to see where I found that said in the bible?

I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Don't tell me I interpreted it wrong. Like you I can interpret it any way I want.

Yes they do if they believe in Jesus.
All who accept and believe in Jesus will have ever lasting life.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Explain to me the time frame when the German people stopped being Catholics and when they started being Catholics again.

Like, in 1935 were they all god fearing Catholics and then before WW2 they stopped? Then in 1946 did they go back to being Catholics? LOL.

classic logical error.......some Germans are Catholic......some Germans are Nazis........therefore, most Nazis were Catholics.......

true conclusion......all Seallybobo's are illogical.........

 

[PostmodernProph]

I don’t want to go to hell/You will go to hell.
Pascal’s Wager does not actually argue in support of the existence of a god, rather, it simply attempts to coerce insincere worship. There are several issues with this approach:

• Multiple inconsistent and contradictory revelations (Which god/hell?)
• Hell is incompatible with an omnibenevolent god.

• A god could reward reasoning/skepticism.

• An omniscient god would see through feigned belief as a result of coercion.

• If a god wanted everyone to believe and knew exactly what was needed to convince people, then why are there atheists at all? Is god unable to prevent transgression of his will?

• Infallible foreknowledge is incompatible with free will (Are atheists predestined for hell?)

• Most people adhere to the religion they were born into, they have not examined all other religions.
• What is the fate of the unlearned? What happens to people who have not encountered the specific religion in which hell is an issue.

See also: Dawkins – What if you’re wrong? (a must watch), The Problem of Hell, Hell: An excessive punishment, The Atheist’s Wager.

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” — Anonymous

“We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.” – Gene Roddenberry

Pascal's wager is a poor reason to choose to believe in God........however, that does not change the fact you are going to hell if you do not.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

You answered the question of how ancients knew the earth was round.
You never answered how they knew that the deep ocean floor had mountain and valleys.

They didn't know the earth was round. Some might have figured it out back then but it wasn't common knowledge. Knowing the ocean floors were like mountains was even easier to know than the earth is round.

The Bible says it was round.

Not really. Does the Bible teach that the earth is flat

The Scriptures that seem to present a flat earth can all easily be explained when correctly interpreted and understood.

Every inconsistency in the bible can be explained away because if you show me one scripture that says one thing, I'll show you another that says another.

You mean interpreted to your own way of thought.

Exactly what you guys do.

I can show you in the bible where it says being gay won't prevent you from going to heaven. In other words, gays go to heaven too. Want to see where I found that said in the bible?

I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Don't tell me I interpreted it wrong. Like you I can interpret it any way I want.

that was really stupid, seally......

 

[PostmodernProph]

I know you hope and wish for a heaven where you will live in paradise forever but that's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

can I take your word to the bank?......oh wait, if even the teller won't take it, will God?.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

If there is a god, it isn't your god. No way a god would make the test to get into heaven a test of how stupid you are to believe stories that come from your made up church that can't possibly be true.

so you're saying you don't want to have anything to do with a God who would let stupid people into heaven?.......would you be okay with a God who only let smart people like you in?.....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Nuts like you and your preacher won't convince me. What will? .

nobody is going to waste their time trying to convince you......we're just here to tell you.......if you ignore us that is your choice......

 

[BreezeWood]

What will? .

we're just here to tell you....

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Pro, it's such a shame, on the internet we are unable to see your Halo ...

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