As the War that “Will be over in a week or two” enters it’s 3rd Month, How much longer will US troops be there?

[kyzr]

You still refuse to admit that no intelligence service had indicated that Iran had revived its nuclear weapons program when Trump and Bibi started killing Iranians.

So why does Iran admit to having 460 kg of 60% HEU if not for nuclear weapons?

What Are Iran’s Nuclear and Missile Capabilities? | Council on Foreign Relations

Iran’s nuclear program and missile arsenal have garnered increased international scrutiny. A joint U.S.-Israeli military campaign launched in early 2026 seeks to destroy Iran’s nuclear and missile infrastructure.

www.cfr.org

Many foreign policy experts warn that a nuclear-armed Iran would destabilize the Middle East and nearby regions. A first-order concern is that Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons would pose a major, perhaps existential, threat to Israel—a worry that drove Israel to launch a full-scale attack on Iran’s nuclear and military facilities in June 2025 and another larger, joint attack with the United States in February 2026.

It had developed that potential years ago, and the theocratic authoritarian regime still in power is being allowed to maintain that allegedly "imminent" potential.
Trump's Pearl Harbor-stye "little excursion" has been badly bungled, and most folks have no difficulty admitting that.

It remains unclear when and how the Iran War will end, but what is clear is that the conflict is still unpopular. As of today, net support for the war is at -15.2 in the Silver Bulletin average. Some of the most recent polls on the war — such as those from The Economist/YouGov (net - 27) and Reuters/Ipsos (-24) — are even more dire.​

Sometimes "leadership" requires that unpopular actions are required for national security.

Why are you okay if Iran develops nuclear weapons and ICBMs?

 

[Zavulon]

The fact that they are enriching uranium to prepare for nuclear weapons is proof enough.

No, it is not.

Iran doesn't need compact reactors when the US offered it free fuel, Iran wants nuclear weapons.

They want their own nuclear industry, it's quite understandable desire.

What Are Iran’s Nuclear and Missile Capabilities? | Council on Foreign Relations

Iran’s nuclear program and missile arsenal have garnered increased international scrutiny. A joint U.S.-Israeli military campaign launched in early 2026 seeks to destroy Iran’s nuclear and missile infrastructure.

www.cfr.org

Many foreign policy experts warn that a nuclear-armed Iran would destabilize the Middle East and nearby regions.

No. Minimal Deterrence (which is only possible with minimal arsenal), can provide only "stability", not "multi-stability"

A first-order concern is that Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons would pose a major, perhaps existential, threat to Israel—a worry that drove Israel to launch a full-scale attack on Iran’s nuclear and military facilities in June 2025 and another larger, joint attack with the United States in February 2026.

So, it is Israel, who is destabilising Middle East, not Iran.

 

[Zavulon]

So why does Iran admit to having 460 kg of 60% HEU if not for nuclear weapons?

For example, for Naval reactors. The USA use 93% enriched Uranium for them, you know.

Sometimes "leadership" requires that unpopular actions are required for national security.

And sometimes that kind of leadership became a dictatorship.

Why are you okay if Iran develops nuclear weapons and ICBMs?

If Russia, China, North Korea and other countries have them - why should people care about Iran? While Iranians are sure, that their nuclear attack on the USA would mean total annihilation of them, (if they can't by their first attack destroy significant part of US nukes), and while they are not cornered, they won't attack.

 

[Failzero]

No boots on the ground ( except the Pilot Rescue ) so far

 

[kyzr]

No, it is not.

Iran is very sneaky. If they enrich uranium we believe it is for nuclear weapons, period.

They want their own nuclear industry, it's quite understandable desire.

Iran has oil, they don't need a nuclear industry.

No. Minimal Deterrence (which is only possible with minimal arsenal), can provide only "stability", not "multi-stability"

A nuclear Iran would require a nuclear arms race for every country in the ME.

So, it is Israel, who is destabilising Middle East, not Iran.

They both are.

 

[kyzr]

For example, for Naval reactors. The USA use 93% enriched Uranium for them, you know.

We have a nuclear Navy, Iran does not.

And sometimes that kind of leadership became a dictatorship.

It can, except we have elections and term limits, so we don't get dictatorships.

If Russia, China, North Korea and other countries have them - why should people care about Iran? While Iranians are sure, that their nuclear attack on the USA would mean total annihilation of them, (if they can't by their first attack destroy significant part of US nukes), and while they are not cornered, they won't attack.

Iran is a "state sponsor of terrorism". They simply cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.
Look at how they closed Hormuz and demanded tolls. Look at how Iran slaughters its own people.
Iran is a vicious regime that needs to be removed.

 

[Zavulon]

Iran is very sneaky. If they enrich uranium we believe it is for nuclear weapons, period.

C'mon. Even the most expensive intelligence cost much lesser than a cheapest war (and this war is not cheapest). And with American intelligence capabilities.... It's totally impossible to make bombs in secret from US intelligence.

Iran has oil, they don't need a nuclear industry.

Of course, they need. It's the future. Oil is going to end. And with all those games oil stop to be an energy source sooner than you think.

A nuclear Iran would require a nuclear arms race for every country in the ME.

Not necessarily. But your attack against non-nuclear state will cause world wide nuclear race.

They both are.

So, start with de-nuclearisation of Israel.

 

[kyzr]

C'mon. Even the most expensive intelligence cost much lesser than a cheapest war (and this war is not cheapest). And with American intelligence capabilities.... It's totally impossible to make bombs in secret from US intelligence.

Iran had guys designing the bombs, it was no secret. They had the enriched uranium. All they had to do is put it together.

Of course, they need. It's the future. Oil is going to end. And with all those games oil stop to be an energy source sooner than you think.

Let Iran use SOLAR.

Not necessarily. But your attack against non-nuclear state will cause world wide nuclear race.

That makes no sense. Why risk getting destroyed by the US just to get nuclear weapons you won't use?

Copilot agrees that if Iran got nuclear weapons it would lead to a nuclear conflict.
Many experts argue that yes, an Iranian nuclear weapon would likely increase instability in the Middle East by raising the risk of conflict, accelerating regional proliferation, and intensifying security dilemmas

So, start with de-nuclearisation of Israel.

I would if I could.

 

[sparky]

it's been 47 years, so what's another month?

Iran has had billions of US $$$ 'potential' before Trump shut them off Schmid

~S~

for gawd's sake......don't be so naive ~S~

 

[Zavulon]

Iran had guys designing the bombs, it was no secret. They had the enriched uranium. All they had to do is put it together.

Of course, no. They need a whole new industry for such things. It's not what you can do in your garage.

Let Iran use SOLAR.

They want nuclear energy, and it's their right, according NPT.

That makes no sense. Why risk getting destroyed by the US just to get nuclear weapons you won't use?

It's simple.
If you get nukes - the USA won't attack you. If you don't get nukes (and have anything valuable) - the USA will definitely attack you.

Copilot agrees that if Iran got nuclear weapons it would lead to a nuclear conflict.

If Iran got nuclear weapons, and do nothing extremely provocative, America won't dare attack Iran and risk destruction of few American cities.

Many experts argue that yes, an Iranian nuclear weapon would likely increase instability in the Middle East by raising the risk of conflict, accelerating regional proliferation, and intensifying security dilemmas

Strength cause stability. Weakness cause instability, by provoking America and Israel to attack Iran.

I would if I could.

May be Iran (or Russia/China/Turkey) should de-nuclearise Israel by force?

 

[schmidlap]

So why does Iran admit to having 460 kg of 60% HEU if not for nuclear weapons?

What Are Iran’s Nuclear and Missile Capabilities? | Council on Foreign Relations

Iran’s nuclear program and missile arsenal have garnered increased international scrutiny. A joint U.S.-Israeli military campaign launched in early 2026 seeks to destroy Iran’s nuclear and missile infrastructure.

www.cfr.org

Many foreign policy experts warn that a nuclear-armed Iran would destabilize the Middle East and nearby regions. A first-order concern is that Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons would pose a major, perhaps existential, threat to Israel—a worry that drove Israel to launch a full-scale attack on Iran’s nuclear and military facilities in June 2025 and another larger, joint attack with the United States in February 2026.


Sometimes "leadership" requires that unpopular actions are required for national security.

Why are you okay if Iran develops nuclear weapons and ICBMs?

Iran feels that it is in its interests to maintain the potential to develop nuclear weapons. It has for years.

If Iran were to re-activate its development of nuclear weapons, it would have to be stopped.

There is no indication it had re-activated its development of nuclear weapons.

Trump and Bibi pulled a Pearl Harbor-style attack on Iran 56 days ago, during which time over 2,000 people in the region have been killed, including approximately 175 schoolgirls on the firt day of the attack.

Trump's "little excursion" has cost the U.S. taxpayer over $63 billion to date.

It has caused the price of gasoline to soar to over $4 per gallon.

Jet fuel, fertilizer, aluminum, etc. - all much more expensive.

What was achieved?

The ultra-conservatives still control Iran.

They still possess their nuclear stockpile and the same potential to develop a nuclear weapon today,
and Trump's cult is, apparently, okay with that.

Reality notwithstanding, Trump's cult were thrilled when their messiah declared

​

 

[Calypso Jones]

Did you have a problem with the length of war in Ukraine, op? The problem is actually you want to see the US weakened or destroyed, or at the very least overwhelmed by the caliphate.

 

[San Souci]

Two weeks, right?

Haha, gullible idiot...

Commie FuckStick

 

[San Souci]

So how many years will we be over there? Will it be wrapped up by the time he oozes out of office?

Easy--5 Power Grids--All out in the open-- Deal or lights out/.

 

[kyzr]

Of course, not. They need a whole new industry for such things. It's not what you can do in your garage.
They want nuclear energy, and it's their right, according NPT.

They were offered free fuel and they rejected it. Iran wants nuclear weapons, and we won't let them have them.

It's simple. If you get nukes - the USA won't attack you. If you don't get nukes (and have anything valuable) - the USA will definitely attack you.

Give up nukes and you won't get attacked.

If Iran got nuclear weapons, and does nothing extremely provocative, America won't dare attack Iran and risk destruction of few American cities.

...so don't let Iran get nuclear weapons.

Strength cause stability. Weakness cause instability, by provoking America and Israel to attack Iran.

Iran won't be allowed to have nuclear weapons, period.

Maybe Iran (or Russia/China/Turkey) should de-nuclearise Israel by force?

They aren't that stupid.

 

[kyzr]

Iran feels that it is in its interests to maintain the potential to develop nuclear weapons. It has for years.
If Iran were to re-activate its development of nuclear weapons, it would have to be stopped.
There is no indication it had re-activated its development of nuclear weapons.

So enriching 460 kg to 60% is not a sign that Iran is developing nuclear weapons?
Hint: yes it is.

Trump and Bibi pulled a Pearl Harbor-style attack on Iran 56 days ago, during which time over 2,000 people in the region have been killed, including approximately 175 schoolgirls on the firt day of the attack.

Don't use girl's schools as human shields and school girls won't get killed.
Iran's government is vicious, they just killed 40,000 of their own citizens, and you protect them?????

Trump's "little excursion" has cost the U.S. taxpayer over $63 billion to date.
It has caused the price of gasoline to soar to over $4 per gallon, Jet fuel, fertilizer, aluminum, etc. - all much more expensive.

You either want Iran to have nuclear weapons, or you don't. You apparently do.

What was achieved? The ultra-conservatives still control Iran.
They still possess their nuclear stockpile and the same potential to develop a nuclear weapon today,
and Trump's cult is, apparently, okay with that.

Is the war over? No it is not.
Can Iran continue if the US blockade stops Iran's oil sales? No it can't.

You never answer the question as to why you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

 

[schmidlap]

So enriching 460 kg to 60% is not a sign that Iran is developing nuclear weapons?
Hint: yes it is.

When did it reactivate a nuclear weapons program, and what intelligent service(s) reported it?

Don't use girl's schools as human shields and school girls won't get killed.
Iran's government is vicious, they just killed 40,000 of their own citizens, and you protect them?????

What evidence do you have that Iran was using the shoolgirls as "human shields"? How did that work?

The school had been there for a decade, and It is highly likely that it happened as a consequence of poor intelligence.

Proximity alone does not convert a school into a lawful military target under international humanitarian law

The U.S. has launched a formal investigation into a missile strike on an Iranian girls' school that killed at least 165 civilians, many of them children, after a preliminary assessment determined the U.S. was at fault, according to a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly. The investigation is expected to take months and will include interviews with all those involved, from planners and commanders to those who carried out the strike.​

You either want Iran to have nuclear weapons, or you don't. You apparently do.

Since you now see no urgency in the authoritarian regime remaining in power and maintaining its nuclear materials stockpile, you must want Iran to have nuclear weapons. I do not.

Is the war over? No it is not.
Can Iran continue if the US blockade stops Iran's oil sales? No it can't.

You never answer the question as to why you want Iran to have nuclear weapons?

Answered. It had, for years, maintained the potential for developing and deploying a nuclear weapon within months of re-activating its program to intimidate. I can find no evidence of its re-activating that development at any time.

Trump's emulating the Empire of Japan in his surprise attack on Iran has failed.

Most Americans, by a continually growing margin, admit that Trump's and Bibi's "little excursion" was badly bungled, resulting in the current global plight.

Approval of Military Action Against Iran | RealClearPolling

Approval of Military Action Against Iran | RealClearPolling

www.realclearpolling.com

 

[Zavulon]

They were offered free fuel and they rejected it. Iran wants nuclear weapons, and we won't let them have them.

Wouldn't you reject "free" coal, if you need gasoline? And, I'm sure, the USA didn't suggest American fuel for naval reactors.

Give up nukes and you won't get attacked.

It doesn't work that way. Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Ukraine - gave up their nukes and nuclear programs and were attacked.

...so don't let Iran get nuclear weapons.

No. It's exactly why we'll give Iran nukes.
Today we are discussing the terms and prices.

Iran won't be allowed to have nuclear weapons, period.

Nobody cares about your opinion, period.

They aren't that stupid.

They are that smart.

 

[luiza]

Half time
Iran leading 4-2

Computer Forecast 6–6 when a draw will be offered by the US at end July

VERDICT
Successful Energy andFood Starvation project completed .
Deep State satisfied
Millions displaced and millions dead from starvation and drought .

See Netflix for edited highlights .

 

[candycorn]

What evidence do you have that Iran was using the shoolgirls as "human shields"? How did that work?

You can always tell when the right wing loons are painted into a corner...they are justifying the bombing of a girl’s school. I suspect when Woodward writes his book about this sad episode in the blob’s administration that we’ll find out a lot of the firings/resignations in our officer corps was over this event and whether or not the administration should “take the hit” for it--that the bad publicity was more important than just admitting we fukked up. I don’t think for a moment that we bombed the school on purpose. But I also feel that this administration will go to any length to avoid admitting our failure in this case.