Ark of the Covenant

[FredVegbarfuss]

What will matter is that the ark of the covenant from when it was made in the time Moses was leading was patterned after the real thing in Heaven, and it would still be there, where the redeemed will come. They will be in the presence of God who will be manifested in a limited way, necessarily while God is not limited from being anywhere, or in any way, but all in God's goodness.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yeah, it was like a miracle! A bunch of untrained, ignorant peasants managed to outrun trained, armed combatants on foot. Very magical! Did they also pull quarters out from behind each others' ears?

Do you have an explanation for how the Israelite defeated the Greeks?

 

[Leo Sails]

I think the Ark Of The Covenant was destroyed

Jer 3:16 .............in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

 

[ding]

Whatcha think?

Mary

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

I think the Ark Of The Covenant was destroyed

Jer 3:16 .............in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

If so it was the ark made by men which was in this world. But we now could not in any way know it was, even so. The heavenly design there is that was the pattern for that which was made in this world is never destroyed, and God is eternal and makes the way of availability for us.

 

[BreezeWood]

- and God is eternal and makes the way of availability for us.

as there are no tablets then the conclusion can only be they were not heavenly to begin with or even existed -

and as claimed by many the non existence of moses as well only confirms those commandments too are only a mirage and should be abandoned by all three desert religions for them to ever again be accountable for their actions as to again find the true path to the everlasting.

 

[Leo Sails]

i sincerely admire and understand the honest perspective of those such as yourself whom abstains and decries and denounces - the three desert religions

that they should never again be accountable

I do believe in the God of Abraham and in the Old & New Testament, even though I share a different perspective and faith with those whom do not, can the unbeliever consider that the Old Testament / Bible was a historical book that preserved and protected and held together the peoples of Hebrew ancestry for 4000 years.

The people called the Jews and their genetic linage is the very oldest of all peoples

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

as there are no tablets then the conclusion can only be they were not heavenly to begin with or even existed -

and as claimed by many the non existence of moses as well only confirms those commandments too are only a mirage and should be abandoned by all three desert religions for them to ever again be accountable for their actions as to again find the true path to the everlasting.

What then about the voice from God that then uttered the commandments? The people did not want to hear the voice from God again. It was then right after that when God inscribed stones that were tablets in form with the commandments in written form. When the stones were broken apart God inscribed the commandments in stone again.

It is not good to abandon all that is said in them, stealing, committing adultery, and killing are not any good, you or any doing even those things are destructive in society. All the things in the commandments are actually better for us, and we do need God.

 

[FredVegbarfuss]

The greatest is God the Creator, who is necessarily the unlimited being greater than the universe that was caused to be. We cannot be in God's image with just how we are made. There is only the image of God showing from us with our obedience. There are the commandments given for this, and the design that is very good shown with the way for this.

 

[BreezeWood]

as there are no tablets then the conclusion can only be they were not heavenly to begin with or even existed -

It is not good to abandon all that is said in them, stealing, committing adultery, and killing are not any good, you or any doing even those things are destructive in society. All the things in the commandments are actually better for us, and we do need God.

they are not heavenly, they are made up by the shall not murder - murderer, moses and used to persecute and victimize the innocent by fraudulent religions.

what is adultery - something to kill people over, stone them to death. mary magdalene was at the cross when jesus died are you one of the crucifiers that accuse her of the accusations and descriptions made in the 4th century christian bible.

mary and joseph chosen by the heavens for not fearing the liar moses and their commandments, judaism - the three wise men sent by the heavens that no harm would be done to them.

 

[ding]

^^^ religious nutjob

 

[forkintheroad7]

The greatest is God the Creator, who is necessarily the unlimited being greater than the universe that was caused to be. We cannot be in God's image with just how we are made. There is only the image of God showing from us with our obedience. There are the commandments given for this, and the design that is very good shown with the way for this.

In other words, you c an tell most people in society don't know God (by the way they act). And they don't know God mostly because they have rejected His Church... and He established only ONE of those.

Imagine that... God only needed ONE!

Luther disagreed, though... and now billions of others have followed in his vile, heretical shoes..

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

In other words, you c an tell most people in society don't know God (by the way they act). And they don't know God mostly because they have rejected His Church... and He established only ONE of those.

Nobody can know of God unless God wills it, we can do nothing on our own. God is not a force of nature we can unravel, all knowledge of God comes from God.

Imagine that... God only needed ONE!

Luther disagreed, though... and now billions of others have followed in his vile, heretical shoes..

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Nobody can know of God unless God wills it, we can do nothing on our own. God is not a force of nature we can unravel, all knowledge of God comes from God.

sounds like projection (you quoting that scripture about the speck in a person's eye).

If nothing else, it is irrelevant to my comment

You don't have a clue what specks or beams I have tackled.. how arrogant... presuming to know what only God knows.. (making your comment here highly ironic)

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

sounds like projection (you quoting that scripture about the speck in a person's eye).

If nothing else, it is irrelevant to my comment

You said

And they don't know God mostly because they have rejected His Church

but that isn't the reason they don't know God. God hides from and reveals himself too us as he sees fit.

You don't have a clue what specks or beams I have tackled.

I'm sorry God's word has upset you, take it up with him.

. how arrogant... presuming to know what only God knows.. (making your comment here highly ironic)

Quoting God's word is not arrogance.

 

[forkintheroad7]

but that isn't the reason they don't know God. God hides from and reveals himself too us as he sees fit.

no argument except that you do not know HOW God chose to reveal Himself--through the CHURCH Jesus Christ founded. I pray you find it because there is no salvation outside God's Church.

I'm sorry God's word has upset you, take it up with him.

Quoting God's word is not arrogance.

No one said otherwise. And no one said anything about being upset at God's word.. but I guess you just have to attack Catholics..

Hey, just like 90% of everyone else..

In any case, to reiterate Most Important Sentence posted here:

....HOW [does] God choose to reveal Himself--

Answer:

through the CHURCH Jesus Christ founded. I pray you find it because there is no salvation outside His Church.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

no argument except that you do not know HOW God chose to reveal Himself--through the CHURCH Jesus Christ founded. I pray you find it because there is no salvation outside God's Church.

These churches - including the Catholic church - are man made organizations that tell people what to believe. We have God's word and with his spirit we can understand as God chooses to impart knowledge. These churches impose man made rules and regulations and dictate what everyone's experience should be.

No one said otherwise. And no one said anything about being upset at God's word.. but I guess you just have to attack Catholics..

You attacked me, you called me "arrogant" I made no accusations.

Hey, just like 90% of everyone else..

I have attacked nobody, there are many Catholics for whom I have great respect.

 

[forkintheroad7]

These churches - including the Catholic church - are man made organizations that tell people what to believe.

That's NOT true of the Church Jesus Christ founded. Luther was the first human to start a human - made "church." Now you are blaming Christ's Church of doing what the man-made, so-called "churches" are doing.

You attacked me, you called me "arrogant" I made no accusations.

I have attacked nobody, there are many Catholics for whom I have great respect.

Yes, you did accuse me.. You had absolutely NO way of knowing what "beams" or splinters I have dealt with in life.. Only Jesus Christ knows yet you accused me of disliking Scripture, etc.. That is also dishonest because I quote plenty of scripture.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

That's NOT true of the Church Jesus Christ founded. Luther was the first human to start a human - made "church." Now you are blaming Christ's Church of doing what the man-made, so-called "churches" are doing.

The word "church" is English for the Greek word Ekklesia. That word literally means "the called out ones" it is a collective reference to all who have been called by God, that is what it means not some hierarchical pseudo political organization with rituals and rules and so on which is what almost all organized "churches" are be it Catholic, Lutheran, Orthodox, etc.

If you have been called by God then your are "in" God's church.

Yes, you did accuse me.. You had absolutely NO way of knowing what "beams" or splinters I have dealt with in life.. Only Jesus Christ knows yet you accused me of disliking Scripture, etc.. That is also dishonest because I quote plenty of scripture.

You accused all non Catholics of heresy, when I read that it brought to mind God's warning about seeing the faults in others and not our own faults, we should all rejoice at those words.

 

[ding]

You accused all non Catholics of heresy

Actually, what he said in post # 356 was “there is no salvation outside God's Church.”

The logic used by the Church - or anyone for that matter - should begin with defining what Jesus meant in John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father except by me" - which I have yet to see the Church - or anyone for that matter do. I think any doctrine on this subject should start with the boundary condition that God saves who God saves despite what anyone else says or believes. Because to do otherwise would be speaking for God and that's not a good idea.

The Church's logic then moves from John 14:6 to John 15:22 “If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin" to conclude a person is not responsible for what they could not have known which makes sense in the context of accountability. Then the Church's logic moves to Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me” as the Church's basis for being obligated to evangelize all men so that ignorance of Christ is not an excuse which also makes sense in the context of accountability.

The problem with all of this - or anyone else's logic - is that it ultimately ends with speaking for God. Which as I said earlier, isn't a good idea. It would be much better if we actually defined what we thought John 14:6 actually meant in practical terms. For me it means to pick up my cross and follow Christ's example. Which first and foremost means to die to self. It's the only way to see reality.