Are You REAL ID Ready?

[Concerned American]

Haven't needed to go for some time now, but I used to go at least once or twice a week for court hearings for insurance cases I was managing, mostly work comp. They always had me go through the metal detector and open the briefcase or whatever else I was carrying even when they knew me by name. And I had to show ID of course. Didn't take more than a minute or so and I didn't mind it. Lots of crazies out there and without those precautions, courthouses would be a favorite target of them.

Before I retired--about fifteen years ago, CA was using metal detectors as you describe to gain access to the county courthouse.

 

[Foxfyre]

To buttercup you can disagree until the cows come home but it won't change the truth of what I posted. And woke folk probably wont' be persuaded differently by any rational argument.

You WILL be persuaded once you find yourself on the wrong side of a gun barrel some crazy is brandishing and you don't know whether that crazy will pull the trigger or where the bullet will go when he does. Or terrorists take over the airplane you're traveling on and you have no idea what your fate will be.

Or when your side has so diluted the electoral process that you are forced to realize your vote no longer is counted or is no longer counted as you voted or that our country is now controlled by people who came here illegally and intend you and your children and grandchildren become mere subjects of their regime.

 

[Foxfyre]

Before I retired--about fifteen years ago, CA was using metal detectors as you describe to gain access to the county courthouse.

Our courthouse was using them at least as far back as the 1990s.

 

[Concerned American]

That's where all this is going IF people continue to comply like sheep.

And just in case anyone thinks that's not what they want to do..... they pretty much openly admit it:

You will get chipped — eventually

Despite outcry by critics and religious activists, it will happen, but not overnight.

www.usatoday.com

Bill Gates has been talking about this for at least the last five years. They'll have to kill me or do it when I am not aware somehow. I will NEVER submit to ANYONE implanting anything in my body or forcing me to carry a tag on my clothes--Seems a guy named Hitler did that to an ethnic minority and we know how that worked out. LOL, and the democrats are the ones that are pushing this tech. NWO and the Great Reset, Social Credit scores. And they say that republicans are a threat to democracy.

 

[Concerned American]

Our courthouse was using them at least as far back as the 1990s.

I live in a rural county and we don't have to deal with that junk.

 

[buttercup]

To buttercup you can disagree until the cows come home but it won't change the truth of what I posted. And woke folk probably wont' be persuaded differently by any rational argument.

You WILL be persuaded once you find yourself on the wrong side of a gun barrel some crazy is brandishing and you don't know whether that crazy will pull the trigger or where the bullet will go when he does. Or terrorists take over the airplane you're traveling on and you have no idea what your fate will be.

Or when your side has so diluted the electoral process that you are forced to realize your vote no longer is counted or is no longer counted as you voted or that our country is now controlled by people who came here illegally and intend you and your children and grandchildren become mere subjects of their regime.

My "side"??? How truly sad that you are showing yourself to be yet another extremely binary thinker, with a team sports politics mentality. As I said to Leo, I'm not a Dem. Never have been, never will be. I'm AGAINST more big government and more infringements. In fact, I think you are on that "side" without even realizing it, since you're showing yourself to be a statist, like they are. You just have different desires for what the government should do.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I live in a rural county and we don't have to deal with that junk.

Interesting.

 

[wtb]

Again, I know that this started a long time ago. People have been against it, but now they're pushing it harder, with this May 7 deadline.

And yes, it is stupid, but it's more than just stupid. It's one more step toward a "Paperz Pleaze!" digital surveillance state.

I have no immediate plans for flying either, but this is obviously making travel harder... and why should we willingly give up traveling just to avoid all these authoritarian scams?

It's obviously not a scam and as you pointed out in this comment, it started a long time ago.

Why would anyone give up traveling? Just move past the unnecessary scam drama and travel as you like.

 

[Foxfyre]

I live in a rural county and we don't have to deal with that junk.

Probably a red one to boot, yes?

 

[buttercup]

It's obviously not a scam and as you pointed out in this comment, it started a long time ago.

Why would anyone give up traveling? Just move past the unnecessary scam drama and travel as you like.

When I used the word scam I meant that this type of legislation is often not about what it's purported to be about. Like the Patriot Act, for example. It was unconstitutional and Orwellian, under the guise of fighting "the war on terror." Even the names they choose ("Patriot Act") are inversions of the actual truth.

And I never said I was going to give up traveling. I have a passport that is still good (I checked earlier).... but once my passport expires, if I can't fly domestically with just my driver's license, then I'm kinda forced to travel domestically in a different way. If you're saying that I should dutifully go along with this, like a good little sheep, then apparently you haven't read this thread. I've already posted why I believe it's a slippery slope.

 

[Foxfyre]

My "side"??? How truly sad that you are showing yourself to be yet another extremely binary thinker, with a team sports politics mentality. As I said to Leo, I'm not a Dem. Never have been, never will be. I'm AGAINST more big government and more infringements. In fact, I think you are on that "side" without even realizing it, since you're showing yourself to be a statist, like they are. You just have different desires for what the government should do.

Well I've not seen many opposed to everything the non-statists want to do as much as you oppose that. And pretty much all who oppose what the non-statists want to do is a Democrat or 'woke' independent or other leftwing advocate.

I am about as un-statist as you can get. And I know that freedom isn't free and requires constant diligence to protect it. And I know the surest way to lose it is to stupidly hand over power to those who intend that we won't have it.

 

[buttercup]

Well I've not seen many opposed to everything the non-statists want to do as much as you oppose that. And pretty much all who oppose what the non-statists want to do is a Democrat or 'woke' independent or other leftwing advocate.

I am about as un-statist as you can get. And I know that freedom isn't free and requires constant diligence to protect it. And I know the surest way to lose it is to stupidly hand over power to those who intend that we won't have it.

I'm not sure what things in particular you're talking about. But like I said earlier, I don't believe that 'security' should come at the expense of liberty. So if you're talking about my disagreement with Trump on certain policies, it's usually because I believe it will give the government more power, or because it's unconstitutional....OR, often it's because I believe a particular issue is based on lies. Like the war in the M.E, for example. I don't think that's a left-right matter at all. It comes down to whether or not you believe the mainstream government / media narrative... which I don't, in that case. One of the reasons I'm against having a tribalistic or hyperpartisan mindset is because I think it causes people to go along with everything a particular politician or party does, and turn a blind eye to so many things...because tribalism gets put above truth. And to me the most important thing is always the truth. Maybe I didn't explain that well, but I hope it made sense.

 

[Moonglow]

I just noticed that a couple threads were already posted on this topic in the last few months. But since Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem just made an announcement yesterday, I figured I'd post a new thread.

I agree with what Thomas Massie, Catherine Austin Fitts and others have said about this. This is about control and it's just another way for our federal government to track legal citizens. Under the guise of immigration reform. But if people don't object, it's not going to stop there. Make no mistake about that.

I was Real ID ready five years ago.

 

[Foxfyre]

I'm not sure what things in particular you're talking about. But like I said earlier, I don't believe that 'security' should come at the expense of liberty. So if you're talking about my disagreement with Trump on certain policies, it's usually because I believe it will give the government more power, or because it's unconstitutional....OR, often it's because I believe a particular issue is based on lies. Like the war in the M.E, for example. I don't think that's a left-right matter at all. It comes down to whether or not you believe the mainstream government / media narrative... which I don't, in that case. One of the reasons I'm against having a tribalistic or hyperpartisan mindset is because I think it causes people to go along with everything a particular politician or party does, and turn a blind eye to so many things...because tribalism gets put above truth. And to me the most important thing is always the truth. Maybe I didn't explain that well, but I hope it made sense.

I have no idea how you define'tribalism'. You accused me or implied what I know I am not guilty of. That kind of thing usually comes from what I define as tribalism.

Ensuring that only citizens can register to vote and only legitimately registered citizens do vote takes constitutional liberties or unalienable rights away from nobody but ensures that our elections are as secure and honest and valid as we can make them. The Trump Administration in its last term and in this one is doing everything they can to restore integrity to government and give maximum power and LIBERTY to the people. Ensuring an honest vote is definitely important to that. A real ID takes no liberties away from us but helps ensure that our government cannot give away our liberties or resources or protections or securities or power to those who cannot and should not qualify for one.

 

[sparky]

so are we caught between irresistible security, and immovable freedom ...? ~S~

 

[buttercup]

so are we caught between irresistible security, and immovable freedom ...? ~S~

That was poetic. Hey sparky, a quick question. You WERE being sarcastic in post #109, like I assumed, right? The reason I ask is because I replied to you, and you gave my reply a 'funny'... And then you gave a thumbs up to foxfyre, in her post where she assumed I was on the other "side" for disagreeing with this policy. If you don't mind, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic, in a more clear and direct way. Thanks.

 

[buttercup]

I have no idea how you define'tribalism'. You accused me or implied what I know I am not guilty of. That kind of thing usually comes from what I define as tribalism.

Ensuring that only citizens can register to vote and only legitimately registered citizens do vote takes constitutional liberties or unalienable rights away from nobody but ensures that our elections are as secure and honest and valid as we can make them. The Trump Administration in its last term and in this one is doing everything they can to restore integrity to government and give maximum power and LIBERTY to the people. Ensuring an honest vote is definitely important to that. A real ID takes no liberties away from us but helps ensure that our government cannot give away our liberties or resources or protections or securities or power to those who cannot and should not qualify for one.

It sounds like you haven't read this whole thread. Because I've already addressed most of those points throughout the thread. And you're ignoring my points I posted directly to you in previous posts. You're just repeating the same thing.

Like I said before, I don't think you see the trajectory we're on...not just in the US but the world. You don't seem to see the increasingly Orwellian agendas that are in the works, including digital ID based on biometrics, digital finance system, social credit score system, the move toward technocracy, etc. As I said before, everything happens slowly and incrementally. That's why I said I see this as stepping stone, it doesn't stop there. In post #115 I posted a list of reasons why I see it that way.

But you are so focused on the pretext they've given you, that it seems to be the only thing that matters to you...making sure we have an "honest vote." While I absolutely agree with you on principle, personally I don't really trust elections to begin with, I lean towards the view that presidents are selected, not elected. But yes I know that sounds like crazy conspiracy theory. But even if that's not the case...I believe there has to be another way to solve the problem of election integrity, that doesn't involve having to comply with a national ID that infringes on freedom of movement within our own country. Anyway....we'll have to agree to disagree. I see the direction things are going in, and I don't want to go along with it. You do, because you trust the reasons given, you seem to trust the federal government, and you don't seem to see (or believe) the direction that I see the world going in. Either that or you don't have a problem with it.

 

[the watcher]

I live in a rural county and we don't have to deal with that junk.

No matter where you live you have to deal with that "junk" that is the end product of the new global push, whether you realize it or not. The Patriot Act, Nafta 1 and 2, the endless wars, inflation, and the loss of responsibility, quality of life and personal freedoms is affecting us all even though it is like the death of a thousand cuts. Like the boiling frog, it never gets hot enough to make you want to jump out until it's too late. If you think it's bad now with some asswipe from California or New York making regs for your little village wait until a group from the UN starts calling the shots.

 

[Godboy]

I just noticed that a couple threads were already posted on this topic in the last few months. But since Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem just made an announcement yesterday, I figured I'd post a new thread.

I agree with what Thomas Massie, Catherine Austin Fitts and others have said about this. This is about control and it's just another way for our federal government to track legal citizens. Under the guise of immigration reform. But if people don't object, it's not going to stop there. Make no mistake about that.

I dont give a flying fuck about ID requirements and i never will. If they put another hologram on it, i wont care. If it can be electronically swiped like a credit card, i still wont care. I just dont fucking care. Why should I?

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm not for the SAVE Act. What libs like you and many Republicans don't realize is that legislation like that is never what it's purported to be about. But I really don't feel like spelling it all out right now. Maybe later, because real life is calling at the moment.

I remember reading in history, that one of the major hurdles for getting the social security act passed, was back then, most Americans were aware that the federal government having a national identity data-base is one of the first steps to a totalitarian system.


". . ..When President Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, William French Smith, advocated in a cabinet meeting for support of a national ID card for illegal immigration control, the president reportedly scoffed, “Maybe we should just brand all the babies.”

Leading Figures Have Long Opposed a National ID​

https://www.cato.org/cato-handbook-policymakers/cato-handbook-policy-makers-8th-edition-2017/21-national-id-systems#leading-figures-have-long-opposed-a-national-id

https://www.cato.org/cato-handbook-policymakers/cato-handbook-policy-makers-8th-edition-2017/21-national-id-systems#the-real-id-program

The REAL ID Program​

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/new-national-id-systems

National Identification Cards: Why Does the ACLU Oppose a National I.D. System? | American Civil Liberties Union

BACKGROUND Over the past decade various proposals for a tamper-proof national identifier have cropped up repeatedly, usually in the context of immigration policy. The notion of using some form of national identification card has also surfaced in discussions of gun control and health care reform...

www.aclu.org

When the ACLU & CATO both are suspicious of such a policy, you KNOW it is a bad idea.


Naturally, the conservatives on this site will think it is a great idea. . up until the government requires REAL ID to buy a gun or access the internet.

Your papers, please - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org