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No I am not arguing that gays have no control over acting on their desires . I am arguing that they are attracted to others of the same gender and THAT is the essence of who they are. I am arguing that they SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CONTROL what they act on any more than a heterosexual has to control what they act on in terms of their attractions and desires. What part of that do you not get?It matters if you are arguing they have no control over acting upon it (which it seems you are) and use that as a justification for acting upon it (which it seems you are).
eunuchs? Are you fucking serious.? Now I see what your problem is. Religion.Matthew 19 seems to say otherwise. That some are born gay (aka eunuchs) which is what they were called back in the day.
Homosexuality is a "mental disorder" as defined by Science until recent history when the Philosophy of Psychology redefined it beginning in the 1960s. As recently as 1968......psychology even agreed with such. The DSM ll published in 1968 (the first edition was published in the 50s) since that time in the 50s homosexuality has been upgraded from a SIN to a Mental Disorder......today, its re-defined as natural, normal. Facts never change......opinions may vary but a fact will always be a fact, and facts are 100% truths.Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.
If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?
Regards
DL
What do you think they called them back then? They did have them, right?The word eunuch doesn't mean homosexual.
Natural eunuchs include those who are born with a physical defect, but they also comprise those who are born with no real desire for marriage or sex. Forced eunuchs are those who have been castrated for whatever reason. Voluntary eunuchs are those who, in order to better serve the Lord in some capacity, choose to forego marriage.
What do you think they called them back then?eunuchs? Are you fucking serious.? Now I see what your problem is. Religion.
What does that matter? They can't help themselves because they were born that way, right?No , not a decision but not the same thing. Pedophilia and bestiality are harmful practices. Loving someone of the same sex in a consensual relationship is not. You accuse me of a slippery slope logical fallacy, but you are guilty of a false equivalency and a red herring fallacy
I get all of that. Don't you believe that truth is relative and that morals are decided by society? And what about those people who were born sexually attracted to children and animals? Why don't you care that they have to deny their urges but homosexuals don't?No I am not arguing that gays have no control over acting on their desires . I am arguing that they are attracted to others of the same gender and THAT is the essence of who they are. I am arguing that they SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CONTROL what they act on any more than a heterosexual has to control what they act on in terms of their attractions and desires. What part of that do you not get?
They do not need to help themselves . You need to help yourself. Yes they were born that way. You on the other hand were fed a bunch of poisonous bullshit that you swallowed wholeWhat does that matter? They can't help themselves because they were born that way, right?
How about Satan?Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.
If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?
Regards
DL
Holy fucking shit! You just don't get it! More likely you are just playing stupid. Yes morals are decided by society . And present day society has decided that acts that harm others are immoral. .Child sexual abuse harms children. Sexual attraction between consenting adults harms no one . Are you really that stupid or are you just playing a sick and depraved game here?I get all of that. Don't you believe that truth is relative and that morals are decided by society? And what about those people who were born sexually attracted to children and animals? Why don't you care that they have to deny their urges but homosexuals don't?
What slippery slope? What has happened since gay rights has gained a foothold. ? What has happened? How has society suffered? Spell it outWhat do you think they called them back then?
But I'm not making a religious argument. I'm pointing out the slippery slope of your beliefs.
I don't recall being fed anything. I'm just wondering why you approve of one group embracing their identity and not the other.They do not need to help themselves . You need to help yourself. Yes they were born that way. You on the other hand were fed a bunch of poisonous bullshit that you swallowed whole
I do get it. I don't think you get it. At the heart of this debate are sexual preferences. You seem to be for some sexual preferences but against others. Are you saying that it's ok to squelch the sexual preferences of some but not others?Holy fucking shit! You just don't get it! More likely you are just playing stupid. Yes morals are decided by society . And present day society has decided that acts that harm others are immoral. .Child sexual abuse harms children. Sexual attraction between consenting adults harms no one . Are you really that stupid or are you just playing a sick and depraved game here?
The slippery slope of legislating which sexual preferences are acceptable.What slippery slope? What has happened since gay rights has gained a foothold. ? What has happened? How has society suffered? Spell it out
Desire? IDK lol I guess it just "is"The question though is what created that attraction.
If there is a god, I find it hard to believe that she would be so ignorant and cruel as to equate murder and robbery to the love of someone who happens to be of the same gender. You and I are living in different realities and the is no hope that we will ever find common ground , so I see no point in this.
As to the question of "can I be wrong" Of course I can be wrong. I am a "high agnostic" I accept the possibility of god but, unlike the arrogance of people like you, I do not believe that we can know the nature of god or what god wants us to be or not be. And I do not relate to the concept of sin. You need to free your mind from fear and superstition and find grounding in the real and rational world so that you can let go of your bigotry and see all human beings for their true worth
Lastly, I will add that many, if not most theologians and clergy persons are not so ridged and dogmatic as you are and actually see gay people as human beings worthy of love and respect. Think about that
If you are too intellectually deficient to understand the difference between child sexual abuse and intimacy between two consenting adults - and why I approve of the latter and not the former-there is no hope for you. More likely you are just playing a sick and depraved game using a false equivalency logical fallacy and an appeal to hypocrisy fallacy. Get the hell out of hereI don't recall being fed anything. I'm just wondering why you approve of one group embracing their identity and not the other.
Holy fucking shit!! You're kidding right?The homosexual was created by Satan. Satan was the first homosexual on the Earth.Homosexuality
is a Satanic demon spirit. They take the creative juice of life, and ram it up each others anus ?! That is not of God, but of Satan.
Maybe you should come out of the closet. Your argument is strawman
