Zone1 Are Christians Expected to Follow The Government?

[Z99]

In the error filled religions, they teach a literal eternal suffering.
Many things are partial truths in the bible. Example--All who believe will be saved= a partial truth. Jesus assures these Matt 7:21-23- they will hear those words from him as judgement if they work iniquity( practice a sin), yet they believe. 99% minimum on Earth practice a sin.

You have an erroneous and unbiblical theology. But that's OK. What's important is that you love God and others.

 

[hobelim]

99% minimum on Earth practice a sin

Sin is disobedience to the Law, according to the hidden meaning of the words and subjects as revealed by Jesus. Until now 100% of the people on earth never understood what the Law was teaching people to do and not do.

Do you practice sin?

 

[kjw47]

You have an erroneous and unbiblical theology. But that's OK. What's important is that you love God and others.

I just backed my words with Jesus' words. Thus you are saying he is wrong-YOU best relook.

 

[kjw47]

Sin is disobedience to the Law, according to the hidden meaning of the words and subjects as revealed by Jesus. Until now 100% of the people on earth never understood what the Law was teaching people to do and not do.

Do you practice sin?

These sins-1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21= unacceptable sins. Not to mention the billions on Earth worshipping false gods.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I guess that scripture says something about how government is put in place by God and we're supposed to just follow it and accept it. However, what if it's currently ungodly? Once Trump is president again I'll gladly follow it and accept it, but until January 20th it isn't happening.

Is this what you believe?

Belief in the 7 Mountain Mandate Appears to be Growing in the Last Year

By Paul A. Djupe, Denison University This week the seven mountain mandate (7MM) was in the news as New Apostolic Reformation apostle Lance Wallnau is warming up Project 19 – an attempt to mobilize …

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This week the seven mountain mandate (7MM) was in the news as New Apostolic Reformation apostle Lance Wallnau is warming up Project 19 – an attempt to mobilize Christians to swing some key urban counties for Trump in 2024. Project 19 is the front lines of “the battle for the mountain of government.” It coincides with the “Courage Tour,” Wallnau’s current road show, which together probably best describes how the latest incarnation of the Christian Right engages in political campaigning.

 

[hobelim]

These sins-1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21= unacceptable sins. Not to mention the billions on Earth worshipping false gods.

You didn't answer the question. You will not find anything relevant in your JW manual. Just be honest. If you can.

You do know that Jesus said, " If you were blind (could not perceive the hidden meaning of the Law), you would not be guilty of sin. (disobedience to the Law) But because you say "We see" your guilt remains." John 9:41

With that in mind, do you practice sin?

It will be far wiser to admit you are blind than to pretend to see, understand the words and subjects of the Law.

So if you "believe" that the Law is to be taken literally and the concerns of God for human beings are carnal, what you eat, what you wear, and the sexual preferences of consenting adults, then you have never seen and do not know Jesus at all who was called a sinner by the Pharisees, and they were right, if the Law is to be taken literally.

So, do you sin? Or is it you don't know the meaning of the words or subjects about which you are so dogmatic?

Which is it?

And don't hand me any garbage that you have learned to parrot by rote = bullshit. You will be very sorry if you do.

 

[kjw47]

You didn't answer the question. You will not find anything relevant in your JW manual. Just be honest. If you can.

You do know that Jesus said, " If you were blind (could not perceive the hidden meaning of the Law), you would not be guilty of sin. (disobedience to the Law) But because you say "We see" your guilt remains." John 9:41

With that in mind, do you practice sin?

It will be far wiser to admit you are blind than to pretend to see, understand the words and subjects of the Law.

So if you "believe" that the Law is to be taken literally and the concerns of God for human beings are carnal, what you eat, what you wear, and the sexual preferences of consenting adults, then you have never seen and do not know Jesus at all who was called a sinner by the Pharisees, and they were right, if the Law is to be taken literally.

So, do you sin? Or is it you don't know the meaning of the words or subjects about which you are so dogmatic?

Which is it?

And don't hand me any garbage that you have learned to parrot by rote = bullshit. You will be very sorry if you do.

Under the new covenant=Love, Law is written on ones heart. Those with that love, would not even consider, stealing from their brothers, having any other God before their faces, committing adultery on their mate, coveting, etc,etc.
All sin. The righteous do their utmost never to do-1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21

 

[kjw47]

Z99, I have shown hundreds what Jesus teaches. Trinity based sights ban me forever-Why? All the teachings i share are in every translation on Earth. The reason they ban me is because those teachings expose their religions as false.

 

[hobelim]

All sin.

That's the thing. If you take the law literally even Jesus sinned. The Pharisees accused Jesus of being a sinner and Jesus accused them of being sinners and Christians profess to believe that Jesus was without sin. The only way to resolve all this is to realize that Jesus found a more rational way to interpret and comply with the divine commands that actually reflects wisdom worthy of a dedicated benevolent and loving God, The Father, that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life here and now on earth in the sanctuary of Gods love to all who comply with the Laws demands. Jesus saying "eat my flesh" encapsulated his revelation that Kosher law was not about food, but teaching. It follows then that kosher law is about differentiating between clean and unclean teaching of the described creatures which are in every language universal metaphors for human archetypes. Only fulfilling the Laws demands removes the burden of the Law which is "the death" consequent for noncompliance.

Here's the rub.

One cannot comply with the literal interpretation and application of the law that prohibits eating "the flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because the teaching that kosher law is about food is in and of itself the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

Jesus said that the Law will remain in effect and in full force for as long as heaven and earth endure so the only thing that became obsolete after this revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to interpret and comply with the Law, what Jesus called the traditions of men, what is known as the talmud, not the Law itself. See 1Jn 3:4-10

So stop feeling guilty about doing what is not sinful and stop priding yourself for doing what is sinful. The way that Jesus taught to understand and follow the Law is easy to see the wisdom of and do. So just do it and live.

Then will you know the joy of living "without sin" and experiencing life more abundantly for the rest of your days and you will know what Jesus lived and died trying to give for the life of the world, what it is to know the Father.

 

[Z99]

Under the new covenant=Love

Except for those that don't figure it out in the allotted time, they get tortured in Hell by Jesus FOREVER! Correct?

 

[kjw47]

That's the thing. If you take the law literally even Jesus sinned. The Pharisees accused Jesus of being a sinner and Jesus accused them of being sinners and Christians profess to believe that Jesus was without sin. The only way to resolve all this is to realize that Jesus found a more rational way to interpret and comply with the divine commands that actually reflects wisdom worthy of a dedicated benevolent and loving God, The Father, that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life here and now on earth in the sanctuary of Gods love to all who comply with the Laws demands. Jesus saying "eat my flesh" encapsulated his revelation that Kosher law was not about food, but teaching. It follows then that kosher law is about differentiating between clean and unclean teaching of the described creatures which are in every language universal metaphors for human archetypes. Only fulfilling the Laws demands removes the burden of the Law which is "the death" consequent for noncompliance.

Here's the rub.

One cannot comply with the literal interpretation and application of the law that prohibits eating "the flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because the teaching that kosher law is about food is in and of itself the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

Jesus said that the Law will remain in effect and in full force for as long as heaven and earth endure so the only thing that became obsolete after this revelation of Jesus was the wrong way to interpret and comply with the Law, what Jesus called the traditions of men, what is known as the talmud, not the Law itself. See 1Jn 3:4-10

So stop feeling guilty about doing what is not sinful and stop priding yourself for doing what is sinful. The way that Jesus taught to understand and follow the Law is easy to see the wisdom of and do. So just do it and live.

Then will you know the joy of living "without sin" and experiencing life more abundantly for the rest of your days and you will know what Jesus lived and died trying to give for the life of the world, what it is to know the Father.

The pharisees were hate filled apostates. They never once said a truth about Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

Except for those that don't figure it out in the allotted time, they get tortured in Hell by Jesus FOREVER! Correct?

No such thing as a literal eternal suffering. It is symbolism. Gods perfect justice proves it=An eye for an eye. So for 70-100 years of a sinful existence God could not punish one for trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of suffering. That = an eye for a gazillion eyes.

 

[zaangalewa]

Are Christians Expected to Follow The Government?​

Thomas More was canonized on May 19, 1935. In a time when the Nazis made the first racist laws in Germany. Laws against the Germans who had been called "Jews". Loyalite to a government ends when criminals rule a country.

 

[zaangalewa]

No such thing as a literal eternal suffering. It is symbolism. Gods perfect justice proves it=An eye for an eye. So for 70-100 years of a sinful existence God could not punish one for trillions x trillions x trillions of never ending years of suffering. That = an eye for a gazillion eyes.

The rule "an eye for an eye" has a superficial meaning on which you float around like an empty balloon in the size of a house. But there is also a deeper exploitation: if you destroy an eye, you have to replace it - with your own eye. So who did do so should make life easier for the person whose life he has made so unspeakably difficult.

 

[kjw47]

The rule "an eye for an eye" has a superficial meaning on which you float around like an empty balloon in the size of a house. But there is also a deeper exploitation: if you destroy an eye, you have to replace it - with your own eye. So who did do so should make life easier for the person whose life he has made so unspeakably difficult.

It means perfect justice. Jesus showed it did not mean take your brothers eye if he took yours. But that justice would prevail in some way or another. He showed it was false to believe it meant to take your brothers eye in return..
Mattew 5 explains.

 

[zaangalewa]

It means perfect justice. ...

Most people think god punished Cain with a mark - How we look for someone with a profile. But Cain, the fratricider, was marked by God with the mark of Cain so that no one would harm him. I guess we all have still a lot to learn becauce we understand only very little.

 

[kjw47]

Most people think god punished Cain with a mark - How we look for someone with a profile. But Cain, the fratricider, was marked by God with the mark of Cain so that no one would harm him. I guess we all have still a lot to learn becauce we understand only very little.

Gods justice is perfect= an eye for an eye.

 

[zaangalewa]

Gods justice is perfect= an eye for an eye.

Let me say it this way: I think all of our systems of "justice" (better to call them system of laws) are wrong because they are not just. Example: A family father murders someone and his wife and his three children will have to suffer a lot when he will have to go to prison. But did they murder anyone? The only perfect justice means no crime will happen.

Extremely expressed: Nowhere is justice - but we need it. Whether we like to do so or not: we are continuously fighting for justice. But who brings back a lost life? The only hope we are able to have is it that god or whatever other power - will restore the justice we are missing. Whenever, wherever this will happen.

By the way: Ever thought about why Cain was not punished but protected from god? One reason could perhaps be: If a brother murders a brother then the parents lose a son. If the murderer will be executed they will lose another son.

 

[kjw47]

Let me say it this way: I think all of our systems of "justice" (better to call them system of laws) are wrong because they are not just. Example: A family father murders someone and his wife and his three children will have to suffer a lot when he will have to go to prison. But did they murder anyone? The only perfect justice means no crime will happen.

Extremely expressed: Nowhere is justice - but we need it. Whether we like to do so or not: we are continuously fighting for justice. But who brings back a lost life? The only hope we are able to have is it that god or whatever other power - will restore the justice we are missing. Whenever, wherever this will happen.

By the way: Ever thought about why Cain was not punished but protected from god? One reason could perhaps be: If a brother murders a brother then the parents lose a son. If the murderer will be executed they will lose another son.

In a wicked satan ruled system-An eye for an eye means-justice will prevail. Its the system we live in that makes unperfect justice.

 

[zaangalewa]

In a wicked satan ruled system-An eye for an eye means-justice will prevail. Its the system we live in that makes unperfect justice.

The system is also called "universe” or “nature”. The world around us is not simply romantic. Nevertheless, I am convinced that we actually live in the best of all possible worlds. The advantage of this form of world: we can make it better. The disadvantage of this world: we can also make it worse. The consequence of this: We have to take care.