Zone1 Are Christians Expected to Follow The Government?

[kjw47]

They are sent to the Lake of Fire, but they don't remain there forever. Otherwise, God would NOT be providing mercy to ALL.

Lake of fire= eternal destruction.

 

[Z99]

Lake of fire= eternal destruction.

So then Paul was wrong and God, in fact, does NOT have mercy on all.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Mercy on your souls, for you are all lacking knowledge of God.

 

[Z99]

Mercy on your souls, for you are all lacking knowledge of God.

Enlighten us.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Z99, your path is for you and God.

The best to you.

 

[Z99]

Z99, your path is for you and God.

The best to you.

Yea, go hide under your bed.

 

[ding]

So then Paul was wrong and God, in fact, does NOT have mercy on all.

Your trespasses will be forgiven as you forgive the trespasses of others. You will be judged as you judge others.

Or was Jesus wrong? As for Paul, I suspect it is your interpretation of Paul that is wrong.

 

[ding]

Jesus is said to have said give to the government belongs to it, so recorded within fifty to seventy years after his death.

So, yes, a Christian should follow the government and tell it when s/he thinks it is wrong.

I think it depends upon what one can abide and what is being demanded.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I think it depends upon what one can abide and what is being demanded.

That is worthy of discussion, yes.

 

[Votto]

I guess that scripture says something about how government is put in place by God and we're supposed to just follow it and accept it. However, what if it's currently ungodly? Once Trump is president again I'll gladly follow it and accept it, but until January 20th it isn't happening.

Render to Ceaser what is Ceasers, but when the state tells you that you can't witness to people with the gospel you go to the cross if need be.

 

[Votto]

Yes it did. Thou shall not murder and Sodom and Gomorrah.

God does not murder, he judges

There is a difference between putting to death a hardened murderer and an unborn infant

Know the difference.

 

[hobelim]

As for Paul, I suspect it is your interpretation of Paul that is wrong.

Paul clearly wrote that Christians should SUBMIT to the governing authorities WHEN NERO WAS CAESAR.

What does that tell you??

 

[hobelim]

So then Paul was wrong and God, in fact, does NOT have mercy on all.

That's right. "God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind." Numb 23:9. God abandons many to their folly without compunction, without pity, and they suffer, injuring themselves and the people that they love. Only those who hear the will of God and do it, dwell in the sanctuary of his love.

"Never again will I pity the inhabitants of the earth." Zechariah 11:6. And that was said a very long time ago.

 

[hobelim]

Render to Ceaser what is Ceasers

When Jesus said that he was responding to people trying to frame any charge against him. His answer was brilliant. To the average person standing around it sounded like he was advocating paying taxes but to the intelligent he was saying render nothing unto Caesar because nothing belonged to Caesar especially in Judea.

Everything belongs to God.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

St Hobelim and St Ding.

 

[Foxfyre]

I guess that scripture says something about how government is put in place by God and we're supposed to just follow it and accept it. However, what if it's currently ungodly? Once Trump is president again I'll gladly follow it and accept it, but until January 20th it isn't happening.

Jesus succinctly put it--render under Caesar what is Caesar's and render under God what is God's. I interpret that to mean that we live as amicably as we can with the government we have but we also love and obey God. And I am pretty sure we are safe to assume that when these two things are in conflict, God is the higher power.

 

[ding]

Paul clearly wrote that Christians should SUBMIT to the governing authorities WHEN NERO WAS CAESAR.

What does that tell you??

That you took a wrong turn at post #42.

 

[hobelim]

That you took a wrong turn at post #42.

No. It should tell you that Paul was an actor and lying fraud, a traitor, a self loathing, masochistic, homophobic, misogynist, just like any practitioner of Mithraism, who sided with the Romans to pervert the teachings of Jesus.


"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind." Numb 23:9. God abandons many to their folly without compunction, without pity, and they suffer, injuring themselves and the people that they love. Only those who hear the will of God and do it, dwell in the sanctuary of his love and enjoy life sane, have abundant blessings and eternal life here on earth knowing he who truly is God.

"Never again will I pity the inhabitants of the earth." Zechariah 11:6. And that was said a very long time ago.

"Any that are to die, let them die, any that are to stray, let them stray, and the rest can devour one another." that's why Jesus said, love one another, because Jesus understood the truth that God had said FU to the inhabitants of the earth a very long time ago. And I really do not find it hard to understand why.

"In one month I got rid of the three shepherds because I had lost patience with them and they had come to abhor me."

 

[ding]

No. It should tell you that Paul was an actor and lying fraud, a traitor, a self loathing, masochistic, homophobic, misogynist, just like any practitioner of Mithraism, who sided with the Romans to pervert the teachings of Jesus.


"God is not a man, so he does not lie; he is not human, so he does not change his mind." Numb 23:9. God abandons many to their folly without compunction, without pity, and they suffer, injuring themselves and the people that they love. Only those who hear the will of God and do it, dwell in the sanctuary of his love and enjoy life sane, have abundant blessings and eternal life here on earth knowing he who truly is God.

"Never again will I pity the inhabitants of the earth." Zechariah 11:6. And that was said a very long time ago.

"Any that are to die, let them die, any that are to stray, let them stray, and the rest can devour one another." that's why Jesus said, love one another, because Jesus understood the truth that God had said FU to the inhabitants of the earth a very long time ago. And I really do not find it hard to understand why.

"In one month I got rid of the three shepherds because I had lost patience with them and they had come to abhor me."

You still aren't on track with the discussion. Maybe try again? Try starting at post #41 this time.

 

[kjw47]

So then Paul was wrong and God, in fact, does NOT have mercy on all.

In the error filled religions, they teach a literal eternal suffering.
Many things are partial truths in the bible. Example--All who believe will be saved= a partial truth. Jesus assures these Matt 7:21-23- they will hear those words from him as judgement if they work iniquity( practice a sin), yet they believe. 99% minimum on Earth practice a sin.