Zone1 25 years after 9/11, Muslims dominate Times Square

[JoeB131]

You are not calling me the liar, you are calling a decorated 3-star Marine General a liar. And also, you called a liar the 4-star Iraqi General who confirmed it.

Um, yeah, I guess they are liars, you are just gullible.

Point was, we scoured Iraq looking for those mythical WMDs, and we didn't find any of them. All the things Cheney said were proof of WMD programs turned out to be something else. (The Tubes were for rockets, not centrifuges, the mobile WMD Labs were weather stations, etc.)

Bush Lied. People Died.

 

[Robert W]

Um, yeah, I guess they are liars, you are just gullible.

Point was, we scoured Iraq looking for those mythical WMDs, and we didn't find any of them. All the things Cheney said were proof of WMD programs turned out to be something else. (The Tubes were for rockets, not centrifuges, the mobile WMD Labs were weather stations, etc.)

Bush Lied. People Died.

We never examined Syria where they were Joe. Bush however did not take out Saddam for that sole reason. Saddam was paying those who killed the supposed enemy bonus money. He was not defeated by Sr. Bush as he should have been. Jr finished the job.

 

[JoeB131]

We never examined Syria where they were Joe. Bush however did not take out Saddam for that sole reason. Saddam was paying those who killed the supposed enemy bonus money. He was not defeated by Sr. Bush as he should have been. Jr finished the job.

Bush Sr. didn't go into Iraq for the very reason why Bush Jr. shouldn't have.

Because the exact thing they were afraid would happen did happen

Syria supposedly had Saddam's WMDs, why didn't they use them in the civil war?

Did they WMD Fairy take them away?

 

[Robert W]

Bush Sr. didn't go into Iraq for the very reason why Bush Jr. shouldn't have.

Because the exact thing they were afraid would happen did happen

Syria supposedly had Saddam's WMDs, why didn't they use them in the civil war?

Did they WMD Fairy take them away?

Why the eff don't you read books. General Fred Franks who had General Tommy Franks under him reports he did get into Iraq and fought a lot of Iraqis there. Ask some person who talks for Syria that question. Why is it a big deal for you anyway? President GW Bush never used it as his excuse.

 

[JoeB131]

Why the eff don't you read books. General Fred Franks who had General Tommy Franks under him reports he did get into Iraq and fought a lot of Iraqis there. Ask some person who talks for Syria that question. Why is it a big deal for you anyway? President GW Bush never used it as his excuse.

NOw you are citing a fiction writer? Really?

Point was, they searched Iraq from stem to stern, and found no WMD's. That in fact, Hans Blix and Scott Ritter had been correct, that Saddam's programs were effectively dismantled in the 1990s.

Bush's sole excuse for going into Iraq was scaring us into thinking Saddam would give a bomb or Anthrax to Al Qaeda and destroy an American city. Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell... they were on the TV for weeks with these scary images.

 

[bdtex]

"Islam is peace."

 

[Robert W]

NOw you are citing a fiction writer? Really?

Point was, they searched Iraq from stem to stern, and found no WMD's. That in fact, Hans Blix and Scott Ritter had been correct, that Saddam's programs were effectively dismantled in the 1990s.

Bush's sole excuse for going into Iraq was scaring us into thinking Saddam would give a bomb or Anthrax to Al Qaeda and destroy an American city. Condi Rice, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell... they were on the TV for weeks with these scary images.

Clancy is a respected fiction author, yet he was with General Franks and told Fred Franks story for him. Are you dyslexic since I have reported of course there was no WMD found since Saddam cleverly moved them to his neighboring country.

Had you read honest accounts of what happened, you would not keep faking us out.

 

[JoeB131]

Clancy is a respected fiction author, yet he was with General Franks and told Fred Franks story for him. Are you dyslexic since I have reported of course there was no WMD found since Saddam cleverly moved them to his neighboring country.

Had you read honest accounts of what happened, you would not keep faking us out.

Even the Bush administration didn't claim the weapons went to Syria.

(WHich is kind of stupid, as Bashir Assad and Saddam were hardly buddies. Syria even helped us during the first Gulf War.)

So what happened to them after they went to Syria? Clearly someone has to still have them, right?

Or they never existed to start with.

Bush Lied. People Died.

 

[Robert W]

Even the Bush administration didn't claim the weapons went to Syria.

(WHich is kind of stupid, as Bashir Assad and Saddam were hardly buddies. Syria even helped us during the first Gulf War.)

So what happened to them after they went to Syria? Clearly someone has to still have them, right?

Or they never existed to start with.

Bush Lied. People Died.

Since Generals Tommy Franks and DeLong learned about it, after they conquered Saddam, not sure why Bush never announced it. But Saddam preferred them in Syria to his own country. Still, that is not the purpose of the war anyway. Bush never said it was. DeLong says he found out later.

You are not citing any authority as I do. so apparently you took the word of the press.

When the press tells us things, assume they speak as Democrats.

Bet you still never watched the interview with DeLong the Marine General.

 

[JoeB131]

Since Generals Tommy Franks and DeLong learned about it, after they conquered Saddam, not sure why Bush never announced it. But Saddam preferred them in Syria to his own country. Still, that is not the purpose of the war anyway. Bush never said it was. DeLong says he found out later.

You are not citing any authority as I do. so apparently you took the word of the press.

When the press tells us things, assume they speak as Democrats.

Bet you still never watched the interview with DeLong the Marine General.

I had enough of the speeches of Pompous Officers when I was in the service, thank you very much.

At the end of the day, speeches don't matter. Either there were WMDs, or there weren't.

U.S. found no evidence WMD moved from Iraq

Intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never “a piece,” said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

www.nbcnews.com

As the hunt for weapons of mass destruction dragged on unsuccessfully in Iraq, top Bush administration officials speculated publicly that the banned armaments may have been smuggled out of the country before the war started.

Whether Saddam Hussein moved the WMD — deadly chemical, biological or radiological arms — is one of the unresolved issues that the final U.S. intelligence report on Iraq’s programs is expected to address next month.

But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never “a piece,” said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.
Since the October report from Duelfer, which said Saddam intended to obtain WMD but had no banned weapons, senior administration leaders have largely stopped discussing whether the weapons were moved.

Last week, the intelligence and congressional officials said evidence indicating somewhat common equipment with dual military and civilian uses, such as fermenters, was salvaged during post-invasion looting and sold for scrap in other countries. Syria was mentioned as one location.

However, the U.S. intelligence community’s 2002 estimate on Iraq indicated there were sizable weapons programs and stockpiles. The officials said weapons experts have not found a production capability in Iraq that would back up the size of the prewar estimates.






As it turns out, there weren't. Other than some expired mustard gas the Iraqis buried in 1991 because they didn't know how to dispose of it, Saddam didn't have the WMDs Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc. said he had.

The war was based on a lie.

 

[Robert W]

At the end of the day, speeches don't matter. Either there were WMDs, or there weren't.

I established for purposes of this conversation that there were none in Iraq. So, you do not agree with the experts either! Why?

 

[Robert W]

The war was based on a lie.

What was it based on? Since you refuse the words of experts.

 

[DennisPTate]

It is like a victory parade for them.
The 9-11 islamic attack on the Twin Towers is not called a hate crime.
But it was.
The Terrorist were motivated by hate.
And the 3000 people who died were the victims of hate.
But the Left Wingers will never admit it because the Islamists are part of the Democrat coalition.

Three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater was shown some specifics on the mind set of the Muslims who had been convinced to become the pilots in that terrorist attack on September 11, 2001.

THE CHALLENGE OF SEPTEMBER 11
P. M. H. Atwater

INTRODUCTIONI was there, at least in spirit form, as a witness to what happened during theattack on America, September 11, 2001. I was doing what I could to help the soulsof the dead when the second plane hit. What I witnessed is contained in this smalloffering as my way of sharing, of adding to the voices across our fair planet whowish somehow to speak up and let others know how "9-11" affected them.The first version of a book manuscript I had been working on about deathand dying was sitting on the desk of a New York City publisher when the attackoccurred. As fate would have it, not only was I in attendance via spirit, but a physicalexpression of my soul was there as well in the way of the manuscript. And of allsubjects, a book about death. I flew up to the City several months later, and havebeen there on numerous occasions since. My husband and I live two hours fromthe Pentagon and were overwhelmed by telephone and e-mail outages and difficultywith mail service for over a month afterward. Many late charges on bills had tobe forgiven as we simply never received the notice of payment due in our mail.
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Wednesday morning, September 12th, and again in spirit form, I entered that state where the inner planes of the spirit realms are fully visible. I define the “inner planes,” by the way, as that dimension, that vibrational frequency, wherein lies the untarnished soul (our Higher Self) and the reality of God’s Greater Plan for humankind. Other levels of spirit are also visible from there.

Instead of finding the confusion and disarray of the previous day, I was surprised to observe the departed souls forming a huge oscillating wave the shape of a“hand” stretching upward. They were coming together as if one energy mass and they were “waking up,” becoming aware of what had happened to them the terrorists and their victims alike for the shock-blast from the cataclysm had first numbed, then snapped the assemblage out of the trance they had been in.I have helped at many tragedies and led numerous prayer vigils, but never have I seen anything quite like this. I came to realize that it was the accumulation of prayer, the power unleashed by millions of caring people all intent on a singular

mission of mercy and compassion, that had enabled the souls who were part of this drama, all of them, to make the transition from living in an earthly body to existing“elsewhere” faster than what is typical. The souls of the dead no longer needed emergency assistance, so I turned my attention to those still embodied who hurt or were injured to do what I could for them.

I say “elsewhere” because I am not certain what became of some who were involved, and here’s why. The day before, while I hovered as a spirit at Ground Zero and witnessed the second plane hit and the aftermath, I had seen close up the faces of three of the terrorists in that plane, as well as a few images of what was going through their minds. One of them was in the cockpit of the plane, jaw locked, eyes firm and determined. He acted more like a robot than a human being and expressed no feelings. The two others were just outside the cockpit doorway.The younger of the two was in a state of utter disbelief as fire leapt toward him. He died screaming, “They lied to me.” (I heard him in English although what he spoke sounded Arabic to me and with a different word phrasing.)The third man expected to die, and was convinced that he would ascend in to a beautiful paradise upon his death. He welcomed the fireball with open arms, until the “heaven” of his expected reward turned out to be a nightmare. He, too, had believed a lie.

[P. M. H. Atwater]

https://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/911.pdf

Thread 'Could near death experience accounts be used to stop terrorists?'

Nov 30, 2025

Three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater describes what it was like to view the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack from the astral plane, [or should we say from five dimensions of space and time]?

What she saw has the potential to help at least some aspiring terrorists to calm down and choose a more productive career than some variation of "suicide bomber."

What Dr. Atwater describes fits with those less than totally encouraging and inspiring positive near death experience accounts but instead fits with the idea of a Purgatory or Hell that the Roman...

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[JoeB131]

I established for purposes of this conversation that there were none in Iraq. So, you do not agree with the experts either! Why?

Because the whole reason we went to war was over WMDs that didn't exist.

What was it based on? Since you refuse the words of experts.

Because Bush and company claimed that Saddam had them, and he was going to give them to Al Qaeda to kill us all.

Except.

No WMD's
No Ties to Al Qaeda
In fact, Al Qaeda in Iraq was strengthened by Saddam's fall and eventually mutated into ISIS
Not to mention pulling troops out of Afghanistan allowed the Taliban and Al Qaeda breathing room to reorganize

 

[Robert W]

Because the whole reason we went to war was over WMDs that didn't exist.



Because Bush and company claimed that Saddam had them, and he was going to give them to Al Qaeda to kill us all.

Except.

No WMD's
No Ties to Al Qaeda
In fact, Al Qaeda in Iraq was strengthened by Saddam's fall and eventually mutated into ISIS
Not to mention pulling troops out of Afghanistan allowed the Taliban and Al Qaeda breathing room to reorganize

General Colin Powell made the claim Saddam had WMD and testified he did. But he did not know that Saddam was removing them to Syria. Bush never used that as his reason.

Pakistan has them and so does India, who went to war over that who was president?

Bush put trust in the Government of Afghanistan to not let the Taliban return. Bush was leaving but had the Taliban done to Afghanistan what Biden let them do, he would have stayed longer.

 

[JoeB131]

General Colin Powell made the claim Saddam had WMD and testified he did. But he did not know that Saddam was removing them to Syria. Bush never used that as his reason.

Right, you might as well claim UFO aliens smuggled them out, that's how much credibility you have.

Look, Occam's Razor.

Either- Saddam had no programs, just like the UN said he didn't, after a decade of inspections and sanctions.

or

He secretly had them, but didn't use them while fighting for his life, but secretly smuggled them to an enemy regime, who didn't use them either when he was fighting for his life.

Pakistan has them and so does India, who went to war over that who was president?

India and Pakistan didn't humiliate Bush's daddy by staying in power while he got voted out.

 

[Robert W]

Right, you might as well claim UFO aliens smuggled them out, that's how much credibility you have.

Look, Occam's Razor.

Either- Saddam had no programs, just like the UN said he didn't, after a decade of inspections and sanctions.

or

He secretly had them, but didn't use them while fighting for his life, but secretly smuggled them to an enemy regime, who didn't use them either when he was fighting for his life.



India and Pakistan didn't humiliate Bush's daddy by staying in power while he got voted out.

Your thinking process is as useful as jelly is to a toad.

 

[JoeB131]

Your thinking process is as useful as jelly is to a toad.

Duly noted you couldn't answer the question.

 

[Robert W]

Duly noted you couldn't answer the question.

Duly noted you seldom answer the question.

 

[JoeB131]

Duly noted you seldom answer the question.

I answer the question just fine, just not things you like to hear.

Critical thinking isn't one of your strong points.