Zone1 Antisemites lie about Israel being an apartheid state

[Jroc]

The Germans killed the Jews
and the Jews killed the Arabs
and the Arabs killed the Hostages
And that is the News.
Is it any wonder
that the monkey's confused?

- Roger Waters, Amused to Death.

I think you miss the point.

A sad backstory doesn't justify bad actions.

Talk to any person on death row, he'll give you a sad story about how his parents beat him. Doesn't excuse the five dead hookers we found in his crawlspace.

Yeah, what the Germans did was bad. It was a complete overreaction to how badly SOME Jews screwed them after the first World War. (Ironically, most of those people got out before the Nazis did anything. 75% of German Jews survived the war. It was the Polish Jews who were screwed.)

Get your story straight ...

Before WWII, Germany had around 525,000 Jews, well-integrated citizens; after the Holocaust, the vast majority were murdered or fled, leaving only a tiny fraction, with the population only slowly recovering decades later through immigration, largely from the former Soviet Union, to about 125,000 by the early 21st century,

• Near Annihilation: By 1943, only about 5,000 Jews remained in Germany, as most had fled or been deported
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• Jews In Pre-War Germany, 1933-1939 | Guided History Jews In Pre-War Germany, 1933-1939 | Guided History

 

[Jroc]

Semite is not a race. The term, "anti-Semite" has come to mean hatred of Jews, or considering Jews on the basis of their presumed ethnicity, rather than on the merits of the case. For example, holding Israel to a different standard of sovereign action than any other country on earth, would be "anti-Semitic."

Using the term literally, there are Semites who are not Jewish; indeed, some Semitic peoples are, ironically, anti-Semitic (Jew-haters). Of course Muslims routinely scorn and even kill other Muslims - even in massive numbers, and nobody seems to give a shit, including non-involved Muslims. Which Muslim countries have rolled out the figurative "red carpet" for "Palestinian" refugees...compared to the Western embrace of Ukrainian refugees in recent years?

No matter how you define "Apartheid State," Israel does not fit the definition. It has large numbers of Arab-Muslim citizens with the full benefit of citizenship, something that never occurred with Blacks in S. Africa under apartheid.

Nobody has killed more Arabs than Muslims it's not even close

 

[rosends]

Actually, yes it does..

The problem is that we've changed the definition of "Semitic" from meaning Middle Easter People under old "Scientific Racism" standards to "Just the Jews".

Now, to be fair, words change their definition all the time. For instance, the word "Gay" used to mean Promiscious, then Happy, then Homosexual, and for a while it was used to describe something that was dull. (Because the word "Lame" developed negative connotations towards the disabled, I guess.

But the use of the word "Anti-Semite" is meant to imply a RACIAL component, which just isn't there. Zionism is white people oppressing people of color.

No, it doesn't. The word was coined with a specific meaning. It isn't some garden variety prefix-word. It is a separate construct. The creator's intent is well documented. Nothing in it is racial. It means "anti-Jew." Words don't mean what you want them to just because you think they should.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

How can they be "anti-Semites" if they are a Semitic people themselves?

The meaning and etymology of the term antisemitism has been explained to you several times. You are nothing, if not consistent in your dishonest pursuit of a hateful agenda.


.....not to mention that most Muslims in the world are not Semites.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

No, it doesn't. The word was coined with a specific meaning. It isn't some garden variety prefix-word. It is a separate construct. The creator's intent is well documented. Nothing in it is racial. It means "anti-Jew." Words don't mean what you want them to just because you think they should.

I always refer to the term as antisemitism rather than anti-semitism since there was no hyphen in it as originally coined by Marr.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You're talking in circles to avoid the obvious.

The Zionists launched the first strike.
The Zionists illegally seized land.
The Zionists attacked the USS Liberty three times.

We've already discussed the last two and we never discussed the first one so I have avoided nothing. That Israel struck first was never the issue because we both know they did. The bone of contention was the motive which you claimed was a land grab and not because of the troop buildup because the troop buildup was imagined.

 

[JoeB131]

You've reading your online propaganda..weak minds are easily swayed by propaganda ... Let me ask you this do you think the Arabs in Lebanon Jordan Syria ect are different than the ones you call Palestinians? all those countries were made up by the Europeans you have no point Jew hate isn't a point

They were made up by Europeans, but they are ruled by indiginous people. They aren't a colonizer state.

If you wanted to start a nation for European Jews in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. (The Europeans might, though.)

Heck, if the US is so devoted to the notion of a Jewish State, they should give them one of ours.

 

[JoeB131]

We've already discussed the last two

Yes, we have.

So when you come up with some new material, let me know.

 

[JoeB131]

Get your story straight ...

Before WWII, Germany had around 525,000 Jews, well-integrated citizens; after the Holocaust, the vast majority were murdered or fled, leaving only a tiny fraction, with the population only slowly recovering decades later through immigration, largely from the former Soviet Union, to about 125,000 by the early 21st century,

• Near Annihilation: By 1943, only about 5,000 Jews remained in Germany, as most had fled or been deported

Point was, they fled (most before the war) they weren't killed.

Polish Jews weren't quite so lucky.

The meaning and etymology of the term antisemitism has been explained to you several times. You are nothing, if not consistent in your dishonest pursuit of a hateful agenda.

You mean the meaning you want to apply to it. I reject your definition. You want to make it about race and somehow make it okay that a bunch of white people from Europe are abusing people of color. It's obscene.

.....not to mention that most Muslims in the world are not Semites.

No, but the Arabs are, if you are going to use archaic terms of Race Realism to define.

The ironic thing was the term Semite was used by Europeans to put Jews in a lower class, lumping them in with Turks, Arabs, and Persians.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Yes, we have.

So why did you say I avoided them?

So when you come up with some new material, let me know.

Like what, the buildup was imagined?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Zionism is white people oppressing people of color.

Huh?

So middle-eastern Arabs become "White" when they are Israelites?

is this the old "White Hispanic" thing again?

 

[JoeB131]

Huh?

So middle-eastern Arabs become "White" when they are Israelites?

is this the old "White Hispanic" thing again?

The Arabs aren't the oppressors here.

So why did you say I avoided them?

Just ignoring you now.

 

[Jroc]

They were made up by Europeans, but they are ruled by indiginous people. They aren't a colonizer state.

If you wanted to start a nation for European Jews in Europe, I'd have no issue with that. (The Europeans might, though.)

Heck, if the US is so devoted to the notion of a Jewish State, they should give them one of ours.

The reality is a Jewish State exist, same as it once did , same as it's supposed to. ... ...The fact that you don't like it, doesn't change that fact,

 

[Jroc]

Point was, they fled (most before the war) they weren't killed.

Polish Jews weren't quite so lucky.

No they didn't all flee ..I just posted those numbers... polish non Jews died in the death camps as well... Get your facts straight

estimated 3 million Polish Jews and between 1.8 and 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish citizens were killed during the Nazi occupation of Poland, with many of these deaths occurring in death camps and concentration camps. ell learn your history"

 

[JoeB131]

The reality is a Jewish State exist, same as it once did , same as it's supposed to. ... ...The fact that you don't like it, doesn't change that fact,

The End of Israeli Apartheid is inevitable because at a certain point, the World won't stand for it.

No they didn't all flee ..

Never said they "all" did. I stated that of Germany's Pre-War Jews, 75% survived the war, which is what you will find on any holocaust sight.

estimated 3 million Polish Jews and between 1.8 and 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish citizens were killed during the Nazi occupation of Poland, with many of these deaths occurring in death camps and concentration camps. ell learn your history"

Yes, they did. I didn't say anything otherwise. Maybe pay attention to what I right instead of screaming like a maniac.

What happened during WWII was awful.
What is happening in Gaza is awful.

Only one of us is being morally consistent.

 

[Jroc]

The End of Israeli Apartheid is inevitable because at a certain point, the World won't stand for it.



Never said they "all" did. I stated that of Germany's Pre-War Jews, 75% survived the war, which is what you will find on any holocaust sight.



Yes, they did. I didn't say anything otherwise. Maybe pay attention to what I right instead of screaming like a maniac.

What happened during WWII was awful.
What is happening in Gaza is awful.

Only one of us is being morally consistent.

You and you're cut up responses.. that's so annoying you're like a little kid with that stuff .. There's nothing you can do change the facts Joey... A Jewish State exists as the most powerful state in the Middle East militarily...... Jews don't wait to get slaughtered anymore..... No matter how much you preferred it that way

 

[Jroc]

 

[rosends]

You mean the meaning you want to apply to it. I reject your definition.

You are rejecting the definition established by the person who coined the word. I guess once you deny the definitions of words like apartheid and genocide, rejecting all accurate and actual definitions becomes easy.

 

[JoeB131]

You and you're cut up responses.. that's so annoying

Well, you rapid fire so many stupid ideas, that they all deserve their own special attention.

here's nothing you can do change the facts Joey... A Jewish State exists as the most powerful state in the Middle East militarily.

South Africa was the most powerful state in Africa, but Apartheid still had to end.

Jews don't wait to get slaughtered anymore.....

No, they go out and do the slaughtering, which makes them much less appealing. Again, no one cares about your sad childhood when we find dead hookers in your crawlspace.

No matter how much you preferred it that way

Seems to me that living in the middle of millions of people who want to kill you isn't a smart survival strategy.

You are rejecting the definition established by the person who coined the word.

Because his definition was dishonest, and doesn't apply here.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

The Arabs aren't the oppressors here.

They sure have tried to be, they’ve just failed and gotten beaten down in the early Palestinian invasion attempts, and now are outmatched intellectually largely because of their severely high levels of in-breeding over generation after generation