'Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic'?

[Shusha]

Who are the "jewish people"?. People descended from Palestinian Jews or cultists with mud blood?

Ooh! Cultists with mud blood. Nope. No anti-semitism going on over here.

 

[Juicin]

Who are the "jewish people"?. People descended from Palestinian Jews or cultists with mud blood?

Ooh! Cultists with mud blood. Nope. No anti-semitism going on over here.

Mudblood by jewish standards

I'm very mixed, but my father gave up endogamy. THat was the point of marrying a white woman. I come from a people who are much better at endogamy than Jews.

Your forefathers did the same, you just seem to have forgotten.

If you claim to be a Palestinian you better not be some mud blood white man. I can't trace my line back more than a millenia. You sure as shit can't

 

[Shusha]

You need to prove your blood claim to Palestine.

You'd need Palestinian blood to have a claim to Palestine

Would you be able to direct me to the places in Judea and Samaria and Gaza where they are testing people for "Palestinian" blood? And perhaps provide a link for the lab which performs such a test?

 

[Juicin]

You need to prove your blood claim to Palestine.

You'd need Palestinian blood to have a claim to Palestine

Would you be able to direct me to the places in Judea and Samaria and Gaza where they are testing people for "Palestinian" blood? And perhaps provide a link for the lab which performs such a test?

A) There are dead Palestinians buried all over Palestine (guess what genius they aren't Ashkenazi Jews they're Palestinians)

B) No one who isn't white trash or a goat ******* Arab using terms like Judea and Samaria

C) If you wanted to know what the genetics of ethiopians looked like you'd go get some indigenous Ethiopians. Same for the French. Same for Iranians. The rule doesn't magically go out the window for Palestinians. I've never met a white American who claims to have white ancestors indigenous to America.

Jewish claims to Palestine are much weaker than white AMerican claims to indigenous status. Many white Americans have many generations who have lived and died here.

 

[theliq]

You need to prove your blood claim to Palestine.

You'd need Palestinian blood to have a claim to Palestine

Would you be able to direct me to the places in Judea and Samaria and Gaza where they are testing people for "Palestinian" blood? And perhaps provide a link for the lab which performs such a test?

Well they wouldn't bother to do a DNA test in Israel because we already know only about 7% are "Indigenous" to that area of Palestine

 

[Shusha]

You need to prove your blood claim to Palestine.

You'd need Palestinian blood to have a claim to Palestine

Would you be able to direct me to the places in Judea and Samaria and Gaza where they are testing people for "Palestinian" blood? And perhaps provide a link for the lab which performs such a test?

A) There are dead Palestinians buried all over Palestine (guess what genius they aren't Ashkenazi Jews they're Palestinians)

B) No one who isn't white trash or a goat ******* Arab using terms like Judea and Samaria

C) If you wanted to know what the genetics of ethiopians looked like you'd go get some indigenous Ethiopians. Same for the French. Same for Iranians. The rule doesn't magically go out the window for Palestinians. I've never met a white American who claims to have white ancestors indigenous to America.

Jewish claims to Palestine are much weaker than white AMerican claims to indigenous status. Many white Americans have many generations who have lived and died here.

So, um, "no", huh?

 

[Roudy]

That's not really the topic of this thread. There are plenty of other threads that examine the HISTORICAL claims to the land. This is about using the Z-word. And what the connotations of Zionist means today AFTER Israel has existed as an independent state for about 70 years.

Nationalist movements are EXACTLY what those Palis (whom Dems SAY they care about) NEED right now. Instead of tossing their kids against soldiers in the streets or firing missiles from Gaza into Israel.. THEY need leadership and a Zionist like movement.. So maybe they stop killing each other over control of the movement or the land.

It is the topic of this thread.

If Ashkenazi Isrealis are European colonists then that frames the debate.

If they were some how indigenous to Palestine that would frame the debate.

Is being anti zionist anti Jewish? or anti colonialist and anti racist? Context mattes, I mean I could frame it more directly. But you know what I mean

Edit - if they were indigenous they'd be no different than the Alawites who rule Syria...They're not though

Ancestry is NOT the issue once you've been a recognized state for 70 years. And once you've become a State, that Zionist "movement" ceases to be political and resorts back to tradition and biblical belief.

If you're trying to run an ethnocentric/theocratic state?

Yes it is

Ethnocentric -- yeah.. Theocratic --- not really. But Israel has absorbed refugees from other causes. It's just that Jewish persecution didn't end at the fall of the Reich. Israel has been safe harbors for millions of Russian Jews who suffered under the Soviet Union and Ethiopian Jews and Jews fleeing Arab countries for the past 50 years.

There's kind a theme there. But it's NOT Zionism. It's a commitment to providing refuge.

Likewise Israel is not the only place where Palis are suffering. There is a need for safe harbor there as well. And I imagine THEIR priorities would be focused on draining the "camps" in Lebanon,, Syria, Jordan and elsewhere.
So what???

With Jews ethnocentrism and theocracy go hand in hand...

Israelis deny the right of return to hundreds of thousands of people while pouring in foreigners onto land that is by right some one elses.

They are no better than Afrikaners morally. Israel may be recognized by international law but so is the right of return. And with the right of return it's going to be the state formerly known as Israel really quickly.

"Zionism" isn't about Israel. It's about a Jewish state in Palestine. A state no Jew has a right to expect on Palestinian land

No Ahskenazi has a blood claim to the land. Everything they do on that land is illegitimate as long as the right of return is not respected.

Anti Zionism is not antisemitism. Anti Zionism is the moral position one must take if you live in a multi racial settler colonial state like America. To do anything less would be at best deluded. At worst evil

Theocracy? What exactly are you smoking, Fatima? Hamas is an ISLAMIST terrorist organization that wants to establish an Islamic Caliphate of Palestine under ruled by repugnant barbaric shariah law, on the corpse of a destroyed Israel. That is what antisemtic anti Zionists like you are rooting for. Keep dreaming.

 

[theliq]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Nonsense Flac

 

[Roudy]

No actually the more feasible solution is to negotiate an Egyptian takeover of Gaza (they're mostly Egyptian anyhow), and for Israel to annex the West Bank and call it by it's name for the last two thousand years, Judea and Samaria. A portion of the West Bank will be given back to be governed by the Jordanians, and the rest of the so called Palestinians will eventually migrate back into Jordan, where they came from. Either way, in two to three generations, the population of Israelis will overtake the Arab Muslims, so the annexation of the West Bank by Israel and handover of the remaining portion to Jordan will be more of a formality.

And considering that this ship has already sailed and in process, that is what is terrifying the so called Palestinians and their terrorist leadership the most.

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

So you think you can have a discussion about whether or not anti Zionism is anti semtism without coming to agreement about what you're talking about?

If some one like Roudy sees Jews as indigenous and I see them no different as Afrikaners were not even talking about the same thing.

What you want is people debate this question in the context that suits your view. That doesn't make any sense.

Again, goofball, Jews can't be Africaners since the land has been Jewish religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land for over 3000 years, and they've always kept a presence. Those that came after, the Romans, Crusaders, Arabs, and Ottomans, are the invaders.

 

[Roudy]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

No you can't, the whites never had a history or presence in S. Africa.

 

[Juicin]

You need to prove your blood claim to Palestine.

You'd need Palestinian blood to have a claim to Palestine

Would you be able to direct me to the places in Judea and Samaria and Gaza where they are testing people for "Palestinian" blood? And perhaps provide a link for the lab which performs such a test?

A) There are dead Palestinians buried all over Palestine (guess what genius they aren't Ashkenazi Jews they're Palestinians)

B) No one who isn't white trash or a goat ******* Arab using terms like Judea and Samaria

C) If you wanted to know what the genetics of ethiopians looked like you'd go get some indigenous Ethiopians. Same for the French. Same for Iranians. The rule doesn't magically go out the window for Palestinians. I've never met a white American who claims to have white ancestors indigenous to America.

Jewish claims to Palestine are much weaker than white AMerican claims to indigenous status. Many white Americans have many generations who have lived and died here.

So, um, "no", huh?

Ashkenazi are Europeans, it's been linked over and over again in this thread. What are you talking about?

You asked where to find this genetic data, I told you, in the ground.

There is absolutely no evidence any Ashkenazi Jew is more related to Palestinians than they are Europeans, much less more

 

[Juicin]

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

So you think you can have a discussion about whether or not anti Zionism is anti semtism without coming to agreement about what you're talking about?

If some one like Roudy sees Jews as indigenous and I see them no different as Afrikaners were not even talking about the same thing.

What you want is people debate this question in the context that suits your view. That doesn't make any sense.

Again, goofball, Jews can't be Africaners since the land has been Jewish religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land for over 3000 years, and they've always kept a presence. Those that came after, the Romans, Crusaders, Arabs, and Ottomans, are the invaders.

I'll ask you again, who are the "Jews"?

Because Ashkenazi Jews have not existed for 3,000 years. And Ashkenazi Jews have no ties to Palestine beyond their cultish beliefs

 

[Roudy]

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

Strange how everyone who asserts themselves as just "antizionist" ends up exposing themselves as rabid Jew haters. Ha ha ha.

 

[Juicin]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

No you can't, the whites never had a history or presence in S. Africa.

Ashkenazi (white) Jews never had a history or presence in Palestine

There is no difference

It's about blood not religion. Ashkenazi don't have the blood

 

[Juicin]

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

Strange how everyone who asserts themselves as just "antizionist" ends up exposing themselves as rabid Jew haters. Ha ha ha.

You don't understand what zionism is. If you support a Jewish state in any form on Palestinian land you're a Zionist.

Edit - That includes people like Finkelstein who support a Jewish state just don't buy into the dogma. He's a zionist.

 

[Roudy]

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

So you think you can have a discussion about whether or not anti Zionism is anti semtism without coming to agreement about what you're talking about?

If some one like Roudy sees Jews as indigenous and I see them no different as Afrikaners were not even talking about the same thing.

What you want is people debate this question in the context that suits your view. That doesn't make any sense.

Again, goofball, Jews can't be Africaners since the land has been Jewish religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land for over 3000 years, and they've always kept a presence. Those that came after, the Romans, Crusaders, Arabs, and Ottomans, are the invaders.

I'll ask you again, who are the "Jews"?

Because Ashkenazi Jews have not existed for 3,000 years. And Ashkenazi Jews have no ties to Palestine beyond their cultish beliefs

Ashkenazi Jews are Jews who migrated east after the destruction of the Temple, Mizrahi, Sephardic and other Jews such as Persians are those that traveled West. Jews have managed to live and survive in diaspora for thousands of years.

Jews are a race, religion, and an ethnicity.

 

[Juicin]

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

So you think you can have a discussion about whether or not anti Zionism is anti semtism without coming to agreement about what you're talking about?

If some one like Roudy sees Jews as indigenous and I see them no different as Afrikaners were not even talking about the same thing.

What you want is people debate this question in the context that suits your view. That doesn't make any sense.

Again, goofball, Jews can't be Africaners since the land has been Jewish religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land for over 3000 years, and they've always kept a presence. Those that came after, the Romans, Crusaders, Arabs, and Ottomans, are the invaders.

I'll ask you again, who are the "Jews"?

Because Ashkenazi Jews have not existed for 3,000 years. And Ashkenazi Jews have no ties to Palestine beyond their cultish beliefs

Ashkenazi Jews are Jews who migrated east after the destruction of the Temple, Mizrahi, Sephardic and other Jews such as Persians are those that traveled West. Jews have managed to live and survive in diaspora for thousands of years.

Jews are a race, religion, and an ethnicity.

Practicing endogamy may make you a separate "race" from "normal" Europeans. But that doesn't entitle you to Palestinian land. Or even mean you're not European

And again you have no ability to trace your line to Palestine. YOu've lived as a minority for the better part of two millenia. You have no blood claim to palestine because you have no palestinian blood

Again your faith and belief does not matter. Me believing I'm a Jew doesn't give me a claim to Palestinian land. Nor does it you. lol

 

[theliq]

Considering Israel and the US CREATED HAMAS IN THE FIRST PLACE your Ignorant Comment,IS A JOKE.......Why are you people so Thick?

Ah, yes. Another way to recognize anti-zionism/anti-semitism -- this little thing called victim-blaming.

I don't blame "Victims"because you are not victims but perpertators of War Crimes Against Humanity..............you need to listen to your Military,not just some Zionistic Bullshit Mantra.......we all know Zionists are Terrorists apart from brain washed Clods like you............Why are Zionists so detested worldwide...Because unlike other Jewish folk........who by the way detest Zionists and their prattle....Zionists are Terrorists.By the way Anti-Zionism is NOT Anti-Semitism......although the Zionists try to make out it is..........You Zionist are a 1900's stand alone Terrorist Organization,STOP LYing

When you deny the legitimacy of the 70 yr old State of Israel and call for all those refugees to be moved out because they are Zionists. THEN -- you become a prime example of equating anti-Zionist with anti-Jew.

You have the Palis who just put it on cruise control throughout the Roman, Ottoman, and British Empires and never bothered to legitimize their "nationality" --- and then you have the Jews who were given a small slice of Britain and used it to IMMEDIATELY build a nation state and infrastructure. Model tenants.

I never said I wanted Zionist or other Refugees out of Israel,EVER,but that is how Israels population emerged up to 1948 and after......you are speaking Nonsense.....Flac I am a pragmatist,I know there is and will be an Israel,no matter how unscrupulously it came about.......I just want Statehood for a free Palestine.....and a fair one.........but you and the others don't........and that is the Point of all these repetitive Threads.......You basically and your possee want to Eliminate Palestine,the only people who lived in Peace with Jews in the past.Get real..steve........I note you Guys are always MUTE ON GERMANS,RUSSIANS,CATHOLICS,and Christians generally etc.,who throughout history....have tried to ELIMINATE JEWISH PEOPLE.......so today you blame only Palestinians, wrongly....You know those people you DEFILE......because you stole their land............Guiltiness of the Zionists

 

[Roudy]

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

Strange how everyone who asserts themselves as just "antizionist" ends up exposing themselves as rabid Jew haters. Ha ha ha.

You don't understand what zionism is. If you support a Jewish state in any form on Palestinian land you're a Zionist.

Edit - That includes people like Finkelstein who support a Jewish state just don't buy into the dogma. He's a zionist.

There was non such thing as a Palestine or Palestinian. After 700 years of the Ottoman Empire, the British took over and called what the Ottomans had been calling Southern Syria for 700 years, "the Palestine mandate". A Zionist is a person who believes that Jews have a right to establish their own state on their ancient religious, historical, and ancestral homeland. Which is a beautiful thing. And why not? There are plenty of Islamic shitholes.

 

[theliq]

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

So you think you can have a discussion about whether or not anti Zionism is anti semtism without coming to agreement about what you're talking about?

If some one like Roudy sees Jews as indigenous and I see them no different as Afrikaners were not even talking about the same thing.

What you want is people debate this question in the context that suits your view. That doesn't make any sense.

Again, goofball, Jews can't be Africaners since the land has been Jewish religious, spiritual, and cultural holy land for over 3000 years, and they've always kept a presence. Those that came after, the Romans, Crusaders, Arabs, and Ottomans, are the invaders.

I'll ask you again, who are the "Jews"?

Because Ashkenazi Jews have not existed for 3,000 years. And Ashkenazi Jews have no ties to Palestine beyond their cultish beliefs

Ashkenazi Jews are Jews who migrated east after the destruction of the Temple, Mizrahi, Sephardic and other Jews such as Persians are those that traveled West. Jews have managed to live and survive in diaspora for thousands of years.

Jews are a race, religion, and an ethnicity.

AND TRIBAL People,CONVERTS TO JUDAISM of other ethnic peoples....have a DNA Test Roudy and we will see theliq is right..as usual