'Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic'?

[flacaltenn]

Not to sound confrontational -- But so what are you gonna do about it?

I mean -- now when Zionism AND Manifest Destiny are both Historical curiosities..

If your plan involves lots of moving vans and armed guards -- that might answer the OP question..

When Zionism becomes an historical curiosity, it will probably be looked upon are Manifest Destiny or the American Colonization Society (Liberia) Charter is looked upon today. Your buddies are the ones that see "flattening" Gaza and ethnically cleansing the West Bank as solutions. I have always said, the only solution now is the establishment of a democratic and secular state for all the people of Palestine. And, that's what I believe will happen eventually.

No actually the more feasible solution is to negotiate an Egyptian takeover of Gaza (they're mostly Egyptian anyhow), and for Israel to annex the West Bank and call it by it's name for the last two thousand years, Judea and Samaria. A portion of the West Bank will be given back to be governed by the Jordanians, and the rest of the so called Palestinians will eventually migrate back into Jordan, where they came from. Either way, in two to three generations, the population of Israelis will overtake the Arab Muslims, so the annexation of the West Bank by Israel and handover of the remaining portion to Jordan will be more of a formality.

And considering that this ship has already sailed and in process, that is what is terrifying the so called Palestinians and their terrorist leadership the most.

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

 

[Juicin]

When Zionism becomes an historical curiosity, it will probably be looked upon are Manifest Destiny or the American Colonization Society (Liberia) Charter is looked upon today. Your buddies are the ones that see "flattening" Gaza and ethnically cleansing the West Bank as solutions. I have always said, the only solution now is the establishment of a democratic and secular state for all the people of Palestine. And, that's what I believe will happen eventually.

No actually the more feasible solution is to negotiate an Egyptian takeover of Gaza (they're mostly Egyptian anyhow), and for Israel to annex the West Bank and call it by it's name for the last two thousand years, Judea and Samaria. A portion of the West Bank will be given back to be governed by the Jordanians, and the rest of the so called Palestinians will eventually migrate back into Jordan, where they came from. Either way, in two to three generations, the population of Israelis will overtake the Arab Muslims, so the annexation of the West Bank by Israel and handover of the remaining portion to Jordan will be more of a formality.

And considering that this ship has already sailed and in process, that is what is terrifying the so called Palestinians and their terrorist leadership the most.

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

So you think you can have a discussion about whether or not anti Zionism is anti semtism without coming to agreement about what you're talking about?

If some one like Roudy sees Jews as indigenous and I see them no different as Afrikaners were not even talking about the same thing.

What you want is people debate this question in the context that suits your view. That doesn't make any sense.

 

[theliq]

Yeah, except....Almost all Jews have always been Jews ancestrally. Europeans, Middle Eastern, etc. so your argument discrediting today's Jews as real Jews, is null and void. That is a another favorite antisemite / antizionist argument "today's Jews aren't really Jews, they're actually all converts to Judaism, so no ties to Israel". That's just about the most delusional moronic thing that I've heard. Funny part is they actually think that people believe this stupid crap.

No they have not....Most were other peoples who converted to Judiaism,really Roudy.

Yeah ... because for generations people have lined up to become Jews!

You continue to spout the Nazi lines, Bubba. Evidently it is your nature.

Hamas is just a Stalinist terrorist org without claim to legitimacy. Not possible to create a State while Hamas is in control of Gaza. I would suggest that the first move of Palestinian supporters is to get rid of Hamas and free the people

Considering Israel and the US CREATED HAMAS IN THE FIRST PLACE your Ignorant Comment,IS A JOKE.......Why are you people so Thick?

Hamas was created by the Muslim Bro-hood as a social services organization and formed its military wing to defend against the PLO. Why do you post such consistently silly propaganda?

Because it's TRUE

 

[SAYIT]

Yeah, except....Almost all Jews have always been Jews ancestrally. Europeans, Middle Eastern, etc. so your argument discrediting today's Jews as real Jews, is null and void. That is a another favorite antisemite / antizionist argument "today's Jews aren't really Jews, they're actually all converts to Judaism, so no ties to Israel". That's just about the most delusional moronic thing that I've heard. Funny part is they actually think that people believe this stupid crap.

No they have not....Most were other peoples who converted to Judiaism,really Roudy.

Yeah ... because for generations people have lined up to become Jews!

You continue to spout the Nazi lines, Bubba. Evidently it is your nature.

Hamas is just a Stalinist terrorist org without claim to legitimacy. Not possible to create a State while Hamas is in control of Gaza. I would suggest that the first move of Palestinian supporters is to get rid of Hamas and free the people

Considering Israel and the US CREATED HAMAS IN THE FIRST PLACE your Ignorant Comment,IS A JOKE.......Why are you people so Thick?

Hamas was created by the Muslim Bro-hood as a social services organization and formed its military wing to defend against the PLO. Why do you post such consistently silly propaganda?

Because it's TRUE

Yeah ... no it's not. It must be painful to be recognized as the Nazi scum we all know you to be but as you say, it's TRUE, so just click your heels and say "Sieg Heil," Adolph.

 

[theliq]

When Zionism becomes an historical curiosity, it will probably be looked upon are Manifest Destiny or the American Colonization Society (Liberia) Charter is looked upon today. Your buddies are the ones that see "flattening" Gaza and ethnically cleansing the West Bank as solutions. I have always said, the only solution now is the establishment of a democratic and secular state for all the people of Palestine. And, that's what I believe will happen eventually.

No actually the more feasible solution is to negotiate an Egyptian takeover of Gaza (they're mostly Egyptian anyhow), and for Israel to annex the West Bank and call it by it's name for the last two thousand years, Judea and Samaria. A portion of the West Bank will be given back to be governed by the Jordanians, and the rest of the so called Palestinians will eventually migrate back into Jordan, where they came from. Either way, in two to three generations, the population of Israelis will overtake the Arab Muslims, so the annexation of the West Bank by Israel and handover of the remaining portion to Jordan will be more of a formality.

And considering that this ship has already sailed and in process, that is what is terrifying the so called Palestinians and their terrorist leadership the most.

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

To a certain degree you are right Flac but it took a lot of bribing by the Zionists to smaller countries in the UN to get them a certain area of Palestine to get Statehood,.......the Palestinians admittedly believe the British we going to give Palestine to them moreover it wasn't a question to them to relinquish part of Palestine to illegal immigrant Jews from mainly Europe...therefore resisted the break up of Palestine,I am glad you used the term "Indigenous People" because that is exactly what the Palestinians are......compared to this mixed race of peoples from everywhere,more often converts to Judaism,who have as much Linage to Abraham as I do.......Not Real Jews at all.......and that is what we have today in Israel..steve

 

[SAYIT]

No actually the more feasible solution is to negotiate an Egyptian takeover of Gaza (they're mostly Egyptian anyhow), and for Israel to annex the West Bank and call it by it's name for the last two thousand years, Judea and Samaria. A portion of the West Bank will be given back to be governed by the Jordanians, and the rest of the so called Palestinians will eventually migrate back into Jordan, where they came from. Either way, in two to three generations, the population of Israelis will overtake the Arab Muslims, so the annexation of the West Bank by Israel and handover of the remaining portion to Jordan will be more of a formality.

And considering that this ship has already sailed and in process, that is what is terrifying the so called Palestinians and their terrorist leadership the most.

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

To a certain degree you are right Flac but it took a lot of bribing by the Zionists to smaller countries in the UN to get them a certain area of Palestine to get Statehood,.......the Palestinians admittedly believe the British we going to give Palestine to them moreover it wasn't a question to them to relinquish part of Palestine to illegal immigrant Jews from mainly Europe...therefore resisted the break up of Palestine,I am glad you used the term "Indigenous People" because that is exactly what the Palestinians are......compared to this mixed race of peoples from everywhere,more often converts to Judaism,who have as much Linage to Abraham as I do.......Not Real Jews at all.......and that is what we have today in Israel..steve

Woo ... just more of your Nazi-based, Jews-aren't-really-Jewish BS. Do you have a link which proves your contention regarding Zionist bribery? No? That;s because it's all in your hateful yet monumentally ignorant head, Adolph.

 

[theliq]

Considering Israel and the US CREATED HAMAS IN THE FIRST PLACE your Ignorant Comment,IS A JOKE.......Why are you people so Thick?

Ah, yes. Another way to recognize anti-zionism/anti-semitism -- this little thing called victim-blaming.

I don't blame "Victims"because you are not victims but perpertators of War Crimes Against Humanity..............you need to listen to your Military,not just some Zionistic Bullshit Mantra.......we all know Zionists are Terrorists apart from brain washed Clods like you............Why are Zionists so detested worldwide...Because unlike other Jewish folk........who by the way detest Zionists and their prattle....Zionists are Terrorists.By the way Anti-Zionism is NOT Anti-Semitism......although the Zionists try to make out it is..........You Zionist are a 1900's stand alone Terrorist Organization,STOP LYing

 

[flacaltenn]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

 

[theliq]

Well, if that scenario makes you happy, good for you. But, deep down you know you are being silly. The non-Jews already outnumber the Jews in the territory the Israeli Jews now control, and the non-Jew population is increasing at a greater rate than the Jewish population. A secular democratic state where all people are enfranchised is the best solution.

Can't help myself. I really really want to discuss your "secular democratic state" idea. PLEASE start a thread.

Just because you don't like how your side is framed in the context doesn't make it irrelevant.

If the Zionists are racist colonial invaders no different than Afrikaners, it's obviously relevant.

Let's have this discussion, this is where Zionists lose. If you give up that Jews stealing land is moral and acceptable (for reasons you haven't backed up) then there is no debate. Isn't that convenient for a zionist? lol

Being anti apartheid is being anti anglo, dutch, or afrikaner? That's the most obvious analogy here

THat's in the history section of this forum. NOT in this thread. In all those other threads -- you're welcome to knock yourself rethinking what the BRITISH had in mind for their piece of the Ottoman Empire. Zionists were much quicker to FORM GOVERNMENTS and BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE and they were a Colonial Landlord's dream tenents. While the Palis never ever seemed to see any value in that type of effort. Their lack of Leadership and organization is the reason why they are "just an indigenous people" today -- instead of a nation.

Not doing that in this thread. It's been done in hundred of other forum pages.

To a certain degree you are right Flac but it took a lot of bribing by the Zionists to smaller countries in the UN to get them a certain area of Palestine to get Statehood,.......the Palestinians admittedly believe the British we going to give Palestine to them moreover it wasn't a question to them to relinquish part of Palestine to illegal immigrant Jews from mainly Europe...therefore resisted the break up of Palestine,I am glad you used the term "Indigenous People" because that is exactly what the Palestinians are......compared to this mixed race of peoples from everywhere,more often converts to Judaism,who have as much Linage to Abraham as I do.......Not Real Jews at all.......and that is what we have today in Israel..steve

Woo ... just more of your Nazi-based, Jews-aren't-really-Jewish BS. Do you have a link which proves your contention regarding Zionist bribery? No? That;s because it's all in your hateful yet monumentally ignorant head, Adolph.

Everyone knows your History of Barbarism,Collaboration with the Nazis and sent Jews to the Gas Chambers,....

 

[flacaltenn]

Considering Israel and the US CREATED HAMAS IN THE FIRST PLACE your Ignorant Comment,IS A JOKE.......Why are you people so Thick?

Ah, yes. Another way to recognize anti-zionism/anti-semitism -- this little thing called victim-blaming.

I don't blame "Victims"because you are not victims but perpertators of War Crimes Against Humanity..............you need to listen to your Military,not just some Zionistic Bullshit Mantra.......we all know Zionists are Terrorists apart from brain washed Clods like you............Why are Zionists so detested worldwide...Because unlike other Jewish folk........who by the way detest Zionists and their prattle....Zionists are Terrorists.By the way Anti-Zionism is NOT Anti-Semitism......although the Zionists try to make out it is..........You Zionist are a 1900's stand alone Terrorist Organization,STOP LYing

When you deny the legitimacy of the 70 yr old State of Israel and call for all those refugees to be moved out because they are Zionists. THEN -- you become a prime example of equating anti-Zionist with anti-Jew.

You have the Palis who just put it on cruise control throughout the Roman, Ottoman, and British Empires and never bothered to legitimize their "nationality" --- and then you have the Jews who were given a small slice of Britain and used it to IMMEDIATELY build a nation state and infrastructure. Model tenants.

 

[Juicin]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

 

[flacaltenn]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

 

[Juicin]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

 

[flacaltenn]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

Pretty sure this all is off-topic of what calling someone a Zionist really means. So -- I'm gonna start a new thread. Suggest if you want to rehash the legitimacy of the State of Israel -- that you do the same.

 

[Juicin]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

 

[flacaltenn]

When you look at the context of the Middle East as whole -- the establishment of Israel is a LOT closer to secular democratic statehood than any of it's neighbors. Even WITH the ethnocentric goals of the Zionist movement. Comparison to Apartheid fail miserably because no "indigenious muslim group" WANTS a secular, democratic leadership or form of government. The idea of a one-state solution with rights of return would not be acceptable to ANY side with a claim to citizenship.

Palis are not suffering because they are deprived of citizenship in Israel. They WANT apartheid. They WANT a nationalist movement just like Zionism. Except that they never really invested in diplomacy, representation, or a long term peaceful vision of independent life in the Holy Land.

Denying the legitimacy of the State of Israel because Zionists are not Real jews is what this topic is really about.
When you do that -- you ARE superimposing anti-Zionist with anti-Jew. Because nothing has changed in the Jewish identity for a long long time.

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

 

[Juicin]

Yea you could have said the same thing about apartheid south africa. So what?

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

To be anti zionist is inherently to be against a jewish state on land outside central europe (for ashkenazi). If that was the question you didn't need this thread, lol

Promoting a two state solution without the right of return is inherently zionist position. You can't be for a two state solution and be an anti zionist at the same time, lol

And with the right of return there is only one state

 

[theliq]

Your reading comprehension sucks. There is no comparison to Apartheid. Because the Palis do NOT desire to be Israelis. THey WANT Apartheid. And would not accept a democratic, semi-secular govt even to the extent of what Israel represents.

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

To be anti zionist is inherently to be against a jewish state on land outside central europe (for ashkenazi). If that was the question you didn't need this thread, lol

Promoting a two state solution without the right of return is inherently zionist position. You can't be for a two state solution and be an anti zionist at the same time, lol

And with the right of return there is only one state

Zionists do not want a Two State Solution.....That's why they Assassinated Prime Minister Rabin.......Why can't I be Anti-Zionist,I think you are some what confused

 

[Juicin]

Of course it's the same

"they're like us they're "democratic" (laughable). And the darkies won't treat them well if we give them equal rights."

Then get the **** out

No one cries for white people in south africa, no one should cry for jews in israel

Unintelligible -- cannot respond.. Go tell Hamas they all can apply for Israeli Citzenship tomorrow and see how many bullet holes result..

If you give it to them all?

What do you think would happen?

They'd just vote the Jews out of power and change everything. Of course Israelis will never do that because they're racist bastards

It's a Jewish fantasy that they can sustain a Jewish state with anything but denying Palestinian rights in Israel

So thanks. You've just become Exhibit A for the OP question of this thread as to whether being anti-Zionist implies you are anti-Jewish. Thanks for the demo.. I got other things to do.. Keep it on topic now !!!!!

To be anti zionist is inherently to be against a jewish state on land outside central europe (for ashkenazi). If that was the question you didn't need this thread, lol

Promoting a two state solution without the right of return is inherently zionist position. You can't be for a two state solution and be an anti zionist at the same time, lol

And with the right of return there is only one state

Zionists do not want a Two State Solution.....That's why they Assassinated Prime Minister Rabin.......Why can't I be Anti-Zionist,I think you are some what confused

You think a greater Israel with a Palestinian state the size of a football field would be unacceptable to them?

Distinction without meaning. You're the one who's confused.

 

[theliq]

Another story of the British reneging on their promises.

*In exchange for their services during WWI, Britain, France, and Russia promised to give the Assyrians a safe and independent homeland in the area of northern Iraq known as `Assyrian Triangle.' This land never materialized and the tensions between the Assyrian population and Iraqi government culminated with a massacre in Simeil, Iraq in 1933. From this time on, the Assyrian diaspora began in an effort to find a safe haven and protect themselves from total elimination.*

Think I'll start a thread about it.

Trouble was Mindful,.... the Kurds were already there in Northern Iraq....Eastern Turkey and North Western Iran and they were going nowhere...much like today..steve,interesting post by you by the way