Antarctica has grown ice for more than 2.7 million years, disproving "interglacials" completely

No warming in Antarctica




Court certified truth...




  • The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
 
so WHERE ARE THOSE????
They’re in plain sight and have been for decades. The orbital calculations come from celestial mechanics (same math used to predict eclipses and planetary motion), and the climate signal is measured in ice cores and deep-sea sediment cores that show temperature and isotope cycles at exactly the predicted periods (~23k, ~41k, ~100k years). The classic confirmation is Hays, Imbrie & Shackleton, which matched marine sediment records to computed orbital parameters, and NASA has a public summary of Milankovitch cycles explaining the same physics and data. This isn’t models saying so, it’s two independent datasets lining up: astronomical calculations on one side, geological measurements on the other. If that doesn’t count as empirical evidence, then neither do eclipses, tides, or planetary orbits.


 
They’re in plain sight and have been for decades. The orbital calculations come from celestial mechanics (same math used to predict eclipses and planetary motion), and the climate signal is measured in ice cores and deep-sea sediment cores that show temperature and isotope cycles at exactly the predicted periods (~23k, ~41k, ~100k years). The classic confirmation is Hays, Imbrie & Shackleton, which matched marine sediment records to computed orbital parameters, and NASA has a public summary of Milankovitch cycles explaining the same physics and data. This isn’t models saying so, it’s two independent datasets lining up: astronomical calculations on one side, geological measurements on the other. If that doesn’t count as empirical evidence, then neither do eclipses, tides, or planetary orbits.





disproven on both poles already...




 
disproven on both poles already...




Are you really quoting yourself as a source instead of providing an argument? Lol

That's very telling.
 
Are you really quoting yourself as a source instead of providing an argument? Lol

That's very telling.


You cannot refute one word of either.

In fact, you already agreed Antarctica has not sat on South Pole for 80 million years, which is a central thesis of McBullshit.
 
You cannot refute one word of either.

In fact, you already agreed Antarctica has not sat on South Pole for 80 million years, which is a central thesis of McBullshit.
Let’s unpack this step by step, because your claims are collapsing under multiple layers of evidence. I'll include your arguments from when you sourced yourself (lol).

Antarctica wasn’t always at the South Pole - Correct. Plate tectonics moved it there over tens of millions of years. But the presence of dinosaurs 70 million years ago is entirely consistent with it being in a temperate latitude then. That does not invalidate Milankovitch cycles or orbital-driven glaciation; it just contextualizes when Antarctica entered permanent polar conditions.

Greenland ice formation - Fully documented in ice cores. The Kap Kobenhavn Formation shows boreal forest DNA from 450k–800k years ago, confirming that ice sheets there grew slowly over hundreds of thousands of years. Today’s 1-2 mile thick Greenland ice sheet matches that timeline; Chicago’s ice being 2.5 miles thick and only 75k years old is impossible. It violates both measured ice core ages and mass balance physics.

Glacial timing and thickness - Ice cores, radiometric dating, and stratigraphy all show Antarctica’s 2.5 mile ice is hundreds of thousands of years old, not tens of thousands. Greenland is younger and thinner, as expected for its size and precipitation. There is no data supporting rapid Dennis Quaid style ice swings. None; zero.

Milankovitch cycles - These are real, measurable, and verified in the geological record. Sediment cores, isotope data, and astronomical calculations all align at the ~23k, 41k, and 100k year periodicities. The cycles don’t need to be fast to cause glaciation; they set boundary conditions that ice-albedo and circulation feedbacks amplify.

600 miles to a pole = ice age - This is complete nonsense. Latitude matters for climate potential, but mass balance depends on precipitation, temperature, circulation, and feedbacks. Modern and paleoclimate data show high latitude land doesn’t automatically freeze, and lower-latitude regions with persistent cold can form ice. Geography alone doesn’t create a universal law.

CO2 forcing vs feedbacks - Direct radiative forcing is ~1C per doubling; feedbacks add another ~2C, giving ~3C climate sensitivity. These numbers are empirically constrained and incorporated into detection and attribution studies. They aren’t assumptions or hidden; they are measurable in W/m2 per K and confirmed by satellites, paleoclimate, and volcano responses.

The geological, ice core, and tectonic records don’t support your fast, lightning, pole-distance law or your Dennis Quaid ice movie narrative. Greenland and Antarctica ice histories, Milankovitch cycles, and tectonics all tell a consistent story: glaciation is slow, measurable, and amplified by feedbacks, not magically appearing because land is near a pole.

You can scream about McBullshit or Trump or canceled reports all you like. None of that changes the empirical evidence. Science doesn’t care about your narrative or your gut instinct. Your circular logic and appeals to arbitrary rules have been outclassed by decades of observation. If you were actually capable of checking data, you’d see you’re being outpaced in this discussion.


The facts stand and your “laws” collapse under them.
 
Chicago’s ice being 2.5 miles thick and only 75k years old is impossible. It violates both measured ice core ages and mass balance physics.



The dispute is whether, after homO/Holder gave CO2 FRAUD prosecution to CO2 FRAUD instead of prosecuting it, that "Milankovich" is a post 2012 re-write of North American Ice Age, all to cover up the truth that

GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED AT THE SAME TIME, which 100% REFUTES CO2 and SUN as suspects.


homO actually spent two years being "silent" pondering this...




before the inevitable decision to push treasonous CO2 FRAUD on America...





We know Laurentide Ice Sheet got to 2.5 miles thick near or on Chicago. How long does a continent specific ice age take to get that tall? McBullshit says 70k years. That's completely refuted by the data you just cited....



CO2 FRAUD cooked up "Milankovich" in 2012 to cover up the truth that Greenland froze while North America thawed, a deliberate intentional act of treason by homO and Holder.






 
The dispute is whether, after homO/Holder gave CO2 FRAUD prosecution to CO2 FRAUD instead of prosecuting it, that "Milankovich" is a post 2012 re-write of North American Ice Age, all to cover up the truth that

GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED AT THE SAME TIME, which 100% REFUTES CO2 and SUN as suspects.


homO actually spent two years being "silent" pondering this...




before the inevitable decision to push treasonous CO2 FRAUD on America...





We know Laurentide Ice Sheet got to 2.5 miles thick near or on Chicago. How long does a continent specific ice age take to get that tall? McBullshit says 70k years. That's completely refuted by the data you just cited....



CO2 FRAUD cooked up "Milankovich" in 2012 to cover up the truth that Greenland froze while North America thawed, a deliberate intentional act of treason by homO and Holder.






The claim that the Laurentide Ice Sheet reached 2.5 miles in Chicago in 75k years violates basic physics. Ice sheet growth is limited by snow accumulation, temperature, and ice flow mechanics. Greenland’s ice, starting in the north, took hundreds of thousands to millions of years to reach its current thickness. Chicago is far south; even under full glacial conditions, ice flows slowly enough that a 2.5-mile thickness forming in 75k years is physically impossible.

Greenland and North America did not “thaw/freeze simultaneously” in ways that refute CO2 or Milankovitch cycles. Regional variability occurs because circulation redistributes heat unevenly. That doesn’t negate orbital forcing or greenhouse physics. It explains local deviations from global averages, which is precisely what the data shows. Using political actors or “McBullshit” theories as evidence doesn’t change the underlying geophysics. Ice cores, sediment layers, and mass balance measurements all confirm the timeline and rates of glaciation.

Your argument collapses under the simplest check. energy in vs energy out and ice physics set strict limits on how fast ice can grow. Nothing you’ve cited challenges that. Pretending it’s a political plot doesn’t rewrite thousands of years of ice sheet science.
 
The claim that the Laurentide Ice Sheet reached 2.5 miles in Chicago in 75k years violates basic physics.


Actually the McBullshit claim is that the ice started further north, got to Chicago and stacked 2.5 miles in 75k years, unless that's been retracted. McBullshit's AI seems to have retracted the claims about Antarctica, which were discussed at length here when they were part of McBullshit in the past. It seems McBullshit is "updating" as it gets REFUTED.


McBullshit has no evidence to back it up.

After homO/Holder ditched the CO2 FRAUD prosecution, they gave it to CO2 FRAUD, and Milankovich was just a pathetic attempt to re-write North American Ice Age from 50 million years to Dennis Quaid 3 days...

because to admit the truth that North American Ice Age was 30-50 million years proves


GREENLAND FROZE while NORTH AMERICA THAWED at THE SAME TIME


and CO2 FRAUD cannot survive that truth.
 
Greenland’s ice, starting in the north, took hundreds of thousands to millions of years to reach its current thickness.


No doubt, and the bottom layers were "expended" digging out the land down to the bedrock...


Chicago is far south


Chicago was further north 30-50 million years ago, much closer to Arctic Circle. That's why the "earlier glaciation" originally dated at 50 million years was further south than the final "melt line" in the past 2-3 million years.



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Greenland and North America did not “thaw/freeze simultaneously” in ways that refute CO2 or Milankovitch cycles.


How did CO2 melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?
 
Actually the McBullshit claim is that the ice started further north, got to Chicago and stacked 2.5 miles in 75k years, unless that's been retracted. McBullshit's AI seems to have retracted the claims about Antarctica, which were discussed at length here when they were part of McBullshit in the past. It seems McBullshit is "updating" as it gets REFUTED.


McBullshit has no evidence to back it up.

After homO/Holder ditched the CO2 FRAUD prosecution, they gave it to CO2 FRAUD, and Milankovich was just a pathetic attempt to re-write North American Ice Age from 50 million years to Dennis Quaid 3 days...

because to admit the truth that North American Ice Age was 30-50 million years proves


GREENLAND FROZE while NORTH AMERICA THAWED at THE SAME TIME


and CO2 FRAUD cannot survive that truth.
No doubt, and the bottom layers were "expended" digging out the land down to the bedrock...





Chicago was further north 30-50 million years ago, much closer to Arctic Circle. That's why the "earlier glaciation" originally dated at 50 million years was further south than the final "melt line" in the past 2-3 million years.



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Chicago was not anywhere near the Arctic Circle 30–50 million years ago. Plate tectonics doesn’t move continents that fast or that far. North America has only shifted a few degrees of latitude over tens of millions of years, which means Chicago was still mid-latitude in the Eocene, not remotely polar. More importantly, there was no continental glaciation in North America at all 30-50 million years ago. That period was a warm greenhouse Earth climate with no Laurentide Ice Sheet whatsoever.

The Laurentide Ice Sheet didn’t begin forming until the Pleistocene (~2.6 million years ago), with its maximum extent only about 20,000 years ago. That’s when ice actually reached as far south as Chicago. So the idea of an earlier glaciation tens of millions of years ago covering Chicago is just historically wrong. Stratigraphy, moraines, isotopes, and ocean cores all independently agree on this timeline. You’re mixing up plate tectonics, paleoclimate, and ice age chronology, and the dates simply don’t support your claim.
 
How did CO2 melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?
That framing is the mistake.

CO2 doesn’t melt one place and freeze another. CO2 changes the global energy balance. How much heat the Earth system retains. What happens regionally depends on circulation patterns: ocean currents, atmospheric cells, ice–albedo feedbacks, and orbital forcing (Milankovitch cycles). You can absolutely have Greenland accumulating ice while parts of North America are losing it, or vice versa, because heat is being redistributed, not applied uniformly like a space heater.

In fact, that asymmetry is exactly what climate physics predicts. Changes in the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, jet stream position, and polar amplification can shift where heat ends up. The planet can be gaining energy overall while one region cools due to altered circulation. That’s not a refutation of CO2 or Milankovitch; it’s a textbook consequence of a coupled fluid system (atmosphere + oceans) on a rotating sphere. The Earth isn’t a bathtub; it’s a chaotic heat engine. Regional differences don’t disprove global forcing. They’re what you expect when the forcing is real.
 
Chicago was not anywhere near the Arctic Circle 30–50 million years ago


It is 2000 miles now. 50 million years can move land 1000-1500 miles, but Chicago moved SW at a slant, so likely more like 700 miles closer, significantly closer.


there was no continental glaciation in North America at all 30-50 million years


That's pretty funny, you agreed the basic premise of 2.5 mile thick glacier required much longer than McBullshit claims, now you reject the actual estimate from North American Ice Age, which was never challenged until this...




No question that to get ice age glacier 2.5 miles thick more than 2000 miles from where it originated requires tens of millions of years. The change in the "melt line" from the "earlier glaciation" to where ice was 20k years ago - Indiana, Wisconsin etc. also required tens of millions of years to move that far on that slant.

I would accept there is no evidence the "glaciation" was more than 50 million years old. But the duration of the NA Ice Age was so significant it scraped off all evidence of life under it, dug the Great Lakes, and pushed the hydrocarbons into stone = shale.
 
CO2 doesn’t melt one place and freeze another.



translation - CO2 did not melt NA and freeze Greenland, it had nothing to do with either event.

tectonic direction

Greenland NW = froze
NA SW = melted


hmmmmm, tough call...
 
It is 2000 miles now. 50 million years can move land 1000-1500 miles, but Chicago moved SW at a slant, so likely more like 700 miles closer, significantly closer.





That's pretty funny, you agreed the basic premise of 2.5 mile thick glacier required much longer than McBullshit claims, now you reject the actual estimate from North American Ice Age, which was never challenged until this...




No question that to get ice age glacier 2.5 miles thick more than 2000 miles from where it originated requires tens of millions of years. The change in the "melt line" from the "earlier glaciation" to where ice was 20k years ago - Indiana, Wisconsin etc. also required tens of millions of years to move that far on that slant.

I would accept there is no evidence the "glaciation" was more than 50 million years old. But the duration of the NA Ice Age was so significant it scraped off all evidence of life under it, dug the Great Lakes, and pushed the hydrocarbons into stone = shale.
translation - CO2 did not melt NA and freeze Greenland, it had nothing to do with either event.

tectonic direction

Greenland NW = froze
NA SW = melted


hmmmmm, tough call...
No, this entire tectonic story is just wrong on basic geology. There was no continental glaciation in North America 30–50 million years ago. That’s the Eocene, one of the warmest periods of the last 65 million years. The Laurentide ice sheet did not even begin until about 2.6 million years ago, and it grew and retreated on 10-100 thousand year timescales, not tens of millions of years. That’s directly measured from oxygen isotope records, moraines, and deep sea sediment cores. Ice sheets do not require tectonic timescales to form; they respond to orbital forcing and greenhouse forcing.

And Chicago was never “near the Arctic Circle.” Plate motion is a few centimeters per year. Over 50 million years that’s maybe ~700-1000 km of movement, not enough to move Illinois from polar to temperate latitudes. Tectonics doesn’t explain glaciation at all; climate physics does. CO2 doesn’t freeze one place and melt another because climate isn’t uniform. Heat is redistributed by ocean and atmospheric circulation, so regional patterns differ. Your model requires rejecting paleoclimate data, plate tectonics rates, and basic radiative physics all at once, and replacing them with a story that doesn’t match any real measurements.
 
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