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Aside from the large number of blacks that died during the Civil War, blacks freed themselves by placing pressure on whites to do so.

How Blacks Freed Themselves from Slavery

Who should get the most credit for ending slavery in America and Great Britain? A landmark new book argues that blacks did far more for their own emancipation than previously appreciated.


Eric Herschthal

Jul. 12, 2017

Until the 1830s, free blacks were barred from most abolitionist societies. But that has not stopped Davis from emphasizing their centrality to the abolition movement, beginning when it got off the ground in the 1780s. Free blacks combated claims of their inferiority when they became eloquent spokespeople for themselves, as in the case of Phillis Wheatley’s poetry from the revolutionary era.

In 1804, enslaved Haitians succeeded in beating back the French, British, and Spanish empires to establish the world’s first black republic. Haiti’s existence represents “the turning point” for the antislavery movement, Davis writes, raising the previously unthinkable prospect of immediate emancipation into a full-fledged reality. Until Haiti, abolitionists focused on either gradual emancipation, or simply ending the slave trade, not slavery itself. Haiti changed that. In the short term, however, the Haitian Revolution actually slowed the official antislavery campaign. And slavery’s defenders quickly turned Haiti into an axe to bludgeon the abolitionist movement: give slaves even the slightest bit of hope, and they’ll insist on immediate freedom.

So white Americans came up with an alternative: colonization. Davis argues that the “bloodstained ghost” of Haiti—combined with a virulent racism comparatively absent in Britain—led America’s white abolitionists to favor returning slaves to Africa rather than setting them free and having them live as equals among whites. To make that idea a reality, the American Colonization Society, founded in 1816 by a coalition of white abolitionists and Southern slave-owners, created Liberia in 1822. Northern abolitionists and Southern slave-owners may have disagreed over the morality of slavery, but what united them, Davis argues, is racism.

The problem was that blacks did not want to go. The “militant reaction against colonization, initiated by blacks themselves,” Davis writes, “gave a distinctive stamp to American abolitionism.” Initially, however, some free blacks were open to the idea, in part because they thought another black republic might bring dignity to their race, and in part because they knew racism in America was only getting worse. But the scene Davis paints from a free black Philadelphia church in 1817 says it all. When James Forten, one of the city’s most prominent free blacks, put up a vote of “ayes” for those in favor of colonization, he was stunned when “there was not a soul in favor of going to Africa,” as Forten wrote.

By the 1830s, it became clear that colonization was not a viable solution. If slavery was going to end, free blacks insisted that whites accept them as equal citizens—and end slavery immediately. The white abolitionist editor William Lloyd Garrison is often remembered as the most vocal proponent of immediate emancipation, but Davis reorients readers to his black backers. It was Forten’s financial support that kept Garrison’s radical abolitionist paper, The Liberator, afloat, for instance. More significantly, slave rebellions both within and beyond America’s borders, coupled with slaves’ persistent attempts to runaway, hastened the calls for immediate emancipation.

But free black Americans like Frederick Douglass ultimately forced immediate emancipation to become the only real option.

How Blacks Freed Themselves from Slavery
 
I've read a couple histories on the Haiti slave rebelliion. The blacks genocided the entire population of whites, including all women, children, and tiny babies.
 
I've read a couple histories on the Haiti slave rebelliion. The blacks genocided the entire population of whites, including all women, children, and tiny babies.
BS.
 
I've read a couple histories on the Haiti slave rebelliion. The blacks genocided the entire population of whites, including all women, children, and tiny babies.
BS.

Yep, genocided every white in Haiti, and quite a lot of the mulattos, too.

Southern whites never forgot that and were afraid of slave rebellions from then on. There weren't much of any, though.
 
If the whites in unity would have wanted to keep slaves, then there would still be slaves.

White people decided that slavery was wrong, and therefore they moved to end it, and to free the blacks in America from it.

Your disrespecting those whites who sacrificed and died for you to be free, uhh is as disgusting as it gets, but you being of a generation that has been schooled in a brainwashed biased way, has since caused you to have strange brainwashed views as pertaining to the entire history of it all.
 
Debunking white racist lies is always a happy thing.
 
If the whites in unity would have wanted to keep slaves, then there would still be slaves.

White people decided that slavery was wrong, and therefore they moved to end it, and to free the blacks in America from it.

Your disrespecting those whites who sacrificed and died for you to be free, uhh is as disgusting as it gets, but you being of a generation that has been schooled in a brainwashed biased way, has since caused you to have strange brainwashed views as pertaining to the entire history of it all.

That's basically the jist of it. It was white people who freed the slaves. Many of them gave their lives for that, but I wouldn't expect much gratitude from the OP.
 
Happy new year IM2 :beer:

Did I just hear IM2 say that blacks were in slavery voluntarily as an African institution and then freed themselves when it no longer suited them? Doesn't that kinda negate all claims for affirmative action, reparations, et al?
No you didn't here that. Especially since slavery was not voluntary, nor was it an African institution since the fight was in America. Boy there is nothing more pathetic than a dumb ass white racist.
 
Happy new year IM2 :beer:

Did I just hear IM2 say that blacks were in slavery voluntarily as an African institution and then freed themselves when it no longer suited them? Doesn't that kinda negate all claims for affirmative action, reparations, et al?
No you didn't here that. Especially since slavery was not voluntary, nor was it an African institution since the fight was in America. Boy there is nothing more pathetic than a dumb ass white racist.

Says someone who has to end his post with "boy", "pathetic", and "dumb white racist."

Do you not understand why nobody takes you seriously, and people think you exude racism?
 
If the whites in unity would have wanted to keep slaves, then there would still be slaves.

White people decided that slavery was wrong, and therefore they moved to end it, and to free the blacks in America from it.

Your disrespecting those whites who sacrificed and died for you to be free, uhh is as disgusting as it gets, but you being of a generation that has been schooled in a brainwashed biased way, has since caused you to have strange brainwashed views as pertaining to the entire history of it all.

No, that wouldn't be the case. Whites did not just independently decide that slavery was wrong and moved to end it. Had that been so the 100 years of national legalized apartheid that put many back into slavery would not have been. I'm not disrespecting anyone just pointing out historical fact as presented by a white man who wrote multiple books on the topic. Your desire to tell me how grateful I should be for whites deciding blacks should have a few constitutional rights 90 years after the document was created is what's disgusting.
 
No you didn't here that. Especially since slavery was not voluntary, nor was it an African institution since the fight was in America.

It was black african who SOLD other black africans to the slave ship captains.

Then the captains sold those slaves around the world...not just the land that would eventually become the USA.

Have you ever stopped to thunk...without federal gov't...we can have no federal law against slavery?

Did you bother to look up the USS Constellation? The anti-slave ship we built BEFORE we were even a country?
 
Aside from the large number of blacks that died during the Civil War, blacks freed themselves by placing pressure on whites to do so.

How Blacks Freed Themselves from Slavery

Who should get the most credit for ending slavery in America and Great Britain? A landmark new book argues that blacks did far more for their own emancipation than previously appreciated.


Eric Herschthal

Jul. 12, 2017

Until the 1830s, free blacks were barred from most abolitionist societies. But that has not stopped Davis from emphasizing their centrality to the abolition movement, beginning when it got off the ground in the 1780s. Free blacks combated claims of their inferiority when they became eloquent spokespeople for themselves, as in the case of Phillis Wheatley’s poetry from the revolutionary era.

In 1804, enslaved Haitians succeeded in beating back the French, British, and Spanish empires to establish the world’s first black republic. Haiti’s existence represents “the turning point” for the antislavery movement, Davis writes, raising the previously unthinkable prospect of immediate emancipation into a full-fledged reality. Until Haiti, abolitionists focused on either gradual emancipation, or simply ending the slave trade, not slavery itself. Haiti changed that. In the short term, however, the Haitian Revolution actually slowed the official antislavery campaign. And slavery’s defenders quickly turned Haiti into an axe to bludgeon the abolitionist movement: give slaves even the slightest bit of hope, and they’ll insist on immediate freedom.

So white Americans came up with an alternative: colonization. Davis argues that the “bloodstained ghost” of Haiti—combined with a virulent racism comparatively absent in Britain—led America’s white abolitionists to favor returning slaves to Africa rather than setting them free and having them live as equals among whites. To make that idea a reality, the American Colonization Society, founded in 1816 by a coalition of white abolitionists and Southern slave-owners, created Liberia in 1822. Northern abolitionists and Southern slave-owners may have disagreed over the morality of slavery, but what united them, Davis argues, is racism.

The problem was that blacks did not want to go. The “militant reaction against colonization, initiated by blacks themselves,” Davis writes, “gave a distinctive stamp to American abolitionism.” Initially, however, some free blacks were open to the idea, in part because they thought another black republic might bring dignity to their race, and in part because they knew racism in America was only getting worse. But the scene Davis paints from a free black Philadelphia church in 1817 says it all. When James Forten, one of the city’s most prominent free blacks, put up a vote of “ayes” for those in favor of colonization, he was stunned when “there was not a soul in favor of going to Africa,” as Forten wrote.

By the 1830s, it became clear that colonization was not a viable solution. If slavery was going to end, free blacks insisted that whites accept them as equal citizens—and end slavery immediately. The white abolitionist editor William Lloyd Garrison is often remembered as the most vocal proponent of immediate emancipation, but Davis reorients readers to his black backers. It was Forten’s financial support that kept Garrison’s radical abolitionist paper, The Liberator, afloat, for instance. More significantly, slave rebellions both within and beyond America’s borders, coupled with slaves’ persistent attempts to runaway, hastened the calls for immediate emancipation.

But free black Americans like Frederick Douglass ultimately forced immediate emancipation to become the only real option.

How Blacks Freed Themselves from Slavery

It would be kind of difficult to make the case that "blacks 'waited' for whites to free them" since those whites were already regularly running "night patrols" also known as "regulators" in every hamlet, whose "civic duty" was to organize and ride at night looking for escaped slaves (it was this element that infiltrated the original Ku Klux Klan when it was nothing more than a theatrical club), The presence of such a community posse sort of indicates that African slaves were already taking it upon themselves, singly or in groups, to escape to freedom. Which they were, all the way back to the first African slaves on the North American continent (in 1526), who DID successfully escape. So if they were "waiting", that waiting went in reverse to 339 years in the past.
 
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Happy new year IM2 :beer:

Did I just hear IM2 say that blacks were in slavery voluntarily as an African institution and then freed themselves when it no longer suited them? Doesn't that kinda negate all claims for affirmative action, reparations, et al?
No you didn't here that. Especially since slavery was not voluntary, nor was it an African institution since the fight was in America. Boy there is nothing more pathetic than a dumb ass white racist.

Says someone who has to end his post with "boy", "pathetic", and "dumb white racist."

Do you not understand why nobody takes you seriously, and people think you exude racism?

The problem with whites like you calling such things racism is better described by a white man:

Yet to regard their respective racisms--if that is the word--as equivalent would be bizarre, for the hostility of one group stems not from any wrong done to it but from its wish to protect its ability to deprive citizens of their voting rights, to limit access to educational institutions, to prevent entry into the economy except at the lowest and most menial levels, and to force members of the stigmatized group to ride in the back of the bus. The hostility of the other group is the result of these actions, and whereas hostility and racial anger are unhappy facts wherever they are found, a distinction must surely be made between the ideological hostility of the oppressors and the experience-based hostility of those who have been oppressed.

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    Stanley Eugene Fish (born April 19, 1938) is an American literary theorist, legal scholar, author and public intellectual. He is currently the Floersheimer Distinguished Visiting Professor of Law at Yeshiva University's Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law in New York City.
 
Debunking white racist lies is always a happy thing.

Yes using rich white far left elite propaganda!
No, using non racist whites as an example to shut up the dumb asses talking about me hating all white people or blaming all white people for racism. You punk motherfuckers would whine even harder if I only used blacks. The fact is that you want to dish it out and you think everybody else just has to take it. Wrong answer.
 

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