Another "Good Guy" with a gun murders wife and children

[Esmeralda]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFactHonestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?

Your factoid is a trick: it says more people are killed with a knives or blunt objects than with RIFLES. Rifles, not guns, nor firearms, but rifles. In fact, more people are killed with firearms of various types than anything else combined. Who do you think you're kidding?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I am sure he was a law abiding citizen up until then. Lol.

I am sure your opinion is 100% irrelevant since you're not an American.

 

[DriftingSand]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFactHonestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?

Your factoid is a trick: it says more people are killed with a knives or blunt objects than with RIFLES. Rifles, not guns, nor firearms, but rifles. In fact, more people are killed with firearms of various types than anything else combined. Who do you think you're kidding?

There's one insidious killer that beats gun deaths by a long shot. Medical malpractice. There are lots more guns in the USA than there are doctors and yet lots more people die as a result of medical malpractice than die as a result of guns (and doctors are more regulated than guns are).

What to do ... what to do.

 

[DriftingSand]

It's just like that girl who was saying we need more gun control laws, because he cousin who went in to rob a store, was shot by a conceal and carry customer.

Hazlnut would rather the customer been shot and robbed. Leftist are actually truly evil people. They are just flat out evil people.

Evil in some cases but usually just stupid.

mostly ignorant

True. Some are neither evil nor stupid ... they simply haven't seen the light (yet).

 

[jon_berzerk]

Evil in some cases but usually just stupid.

mostly ignorant

True. Some are neither evil nor stupid ... they simply haven't seen the light (yet).

yes then there are the willfully ignorant

that has seen the light but simply refuse

to accept it

 

[Esmeralda]

Remember when Gloria started bitching about how many people were being murdered by guns and Archie pipes up with "would it make you feel any better, Little Girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Good times.

You do realize that All In The Family was a spoof series making fun of Archie Bunker types, right?

And occasionally the writers ended up hoisting themselves by their own petards. They didn't realize it, but in that case they made Archie right.

No they didn't. You all don't get it. Knives have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Windows have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Same for cars, bridges, bodies of water, and all the other false analogies you gun folks throw into this debate.

Guns have only one purpose: to kill. Therefore, they are not analogous with windows, knives, hammers, bridges, cars, swimming pools, etc. Thus, the writers were being consistent in showing Archie to be someone who had poor critical thinking skills.

 

[Esmeralda]

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFactHonestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?

Your factoid is a trick: it says more people are killed with a knives or blunt objects than with RIFLES. Rifles, not guns, nor firearms, but rifles. In fact, more people are killed with firearms of various types than anything else combined. Who do you think you're kidding?

There's one insidious killer that beats gun deaths by a long shot. Medical malpractice. There are lots more guns in the USA than there are doctors and yet lots more people die as a result of medical malpractice than die as a result of guns (and doctors are more regulated than guns are).

What to do ... what to do.

Again, another false analogy. The purpose of doctors is not to kill. The purpose of guns is to kill. They are not analogous. You cannot logically compare doctors/medical malpractice to guns. It is irrational to try to do so.

 

[boedicca]

I wonder how many poor black people were murdered in Chicago during the same week this woman was killed.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFactHonestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?

Your factoid is a trick: it says more people are killed with a knives or blunt objects than with RIFLES. Rifles, not guns, nor firearms, but rifles. In fact, more people are killed with firearms of various types than anything else combined. Who do you think you're kidding?

Here are the FBI Statistics;

FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

Total Firearms for 2012 = 8,855

Knives for 2012 = 1,589

Blunt objects for 2012 = 518

The FBI facts speak for themselves.

 

[1776]

Shitstain...when I a kid, my friend's mother discovered a dying man on their back porch....he was stabbed 1 time with a knife by his wife.

She stabbed him with a BUTTER knife and unluckily for him it hit his aorta.

I guess we should ban butter knives....eh shitstain?

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

 

[Yurt]

more people die from DUI's but you won't hear these anti gun nutters say boo about that...they don't care about the deaths

 

[KGB]

Your factoid is a trick: it says more people are killed with a knives or blunt objects than with RIFLES. Rifles, not guns, nor firearms, but rifles. In fact, more people are killed with firearms of various types than anything else combined. Who do you think you're kidding?

There's one insidious killer that beats gun deaths by a long shot. Medical malpractice. There are lots more guns in the USA than there are doctors and yet lots more people die as a result of medical malpractice than die as a result of guns (and doctors are more regulated than guns are).

What to do ... what to do.

Again, another false analogy. The purpose of doctors is not to kill. The purpose of guns is to kill. They are not analogous. You cannot logically compare doctors/medical malpractice to guns. It is irrational to try to do so.

It is also irrational to not drill down to the core issue. The purpose of guns is to kill or injure in self-defense or defense of one's family or property. Criminals kill or injure with guns for their own benefit. It always comes down to intent to discern the difference. If someone uses a gun & kill/injure someone but it was used in self-defense or protection of their family, then they are justified. However, if that person were to randomly or purposely kill/injure someone with malice thought, then they are a criminal. The weapon or tool matters not. Gun control does not impact the core issue, which is the intent & in fact, exacerbates the problem. Even if all the guns in the world were to somehow disappear tomorrow, you would still have the same level of violence. Why? Because the core issue wasn't addressed. Gun rights people understand this because we understand how the world truly works. We accept the fact the world is evil & we must do all we can to protect ourselves & our families from it. We don't blame an inanimate object nor look to it as a means to solve problems. The Left doesn't get this because they don't want to accept responsibility. It is far easier to blame a tool or society, or something else not related to the problem at hand.

 

[Erand7899]

Remember when Gloria started bitching about how many people were being murdered by guns and Archie pipes up with "would it make you feel any better, Little Girl, if they was pushed out of windows?"

Good times.

You do realize that All In The Family was a spoof series making fun of Archie Bunker types, right?

That was obviously the intention, but the show actually demonstrated the idiocy of the liberal/socialist types. Archie got all the applause.

 

[Esmeralda]

There's one insidious killer that beats gun deaths by a long shot. Medical malpractice. There are lots more guns in the USA than there are doctors and yet lots more people die as a result of medical malpractice than die as a result of guns (and doctors are more regulated than guns are).

What to do ... what to do.

Again, another false analogy. The purpose of doctors is not to kill. The purpose of guns is to kill. They are not analogous. You cannot logically compare doctors/medical malpractice to guns. It is irrational to try to do so.

It is also irrational to not drill down to the core issue. The purpose of guns is to kill or injure in self-defense or defense of one's family or property. Criminals kill or injure with guns for their own benefit. It always comes down to intent to discern the difference. If someone uses a gun & kill/injure someone but it was used in self-defense or protection of their family, then they are justified. However, if that person were to randomly or purposely kill/injure someone with malice thought, then they are a criminal. The weapon or tool matters not. Gun control does not impact the core issue, which is the intent & in fact, exacerbates the problem. Even if all the guns in the world were to somehow disappear tomorrow, you would still have the same level of violence. Why? Because the core issue wasn't addressed. Gun rights people understand this because we understand how the world truly works. We accept the fact the world is evil & we must do all we can to protect ourselves & our families from it. We don't blame an inanimate object nor look to it as a means to solve problems. The Left doesn't get this because they don't want to accept responsibility. It is far easier to blame a tool or society, or something else not related to the problem at hand.

Guns have only one purpose and that is to injure or kill living beings. They are only self defense in the sense that they may warn off or intimidate someone one from attacking you, or you may kill someone before he kills you. However, the core purpose of guns is to shoot at something that is a living, breathing being, to either kill or cause serious injury. Everything else you wrote is simply emotional justification for your desire to own guns. There is no pure logic in it whatsoever.

LOL, by the way: Your statement that if all guns disappeared we'd have the same level of violence is deeply incorrect. With the advent of firearms, and with their increasing sophistication, the death rate in civilian life and in wars had increased at least a thousand fold.

 

[Spoonman]

You do realize that All In The Family was a spoof series making fun of Archie Bunker types, right?

And occasionally the writers ended up hoisting themselves by their own petards. They didn't realize it, but in that case they made Archie right.

No they didn't. You all don't get it. Knives have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Windows have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Same for cars, bridges, bodies of water, and all the other false analogies you gun folks throw into this debate.

Guns have only one purpose: to kill. Therefore, they are not analogous with windows, knives, hammers, bridges, cars, swimming pools, etc. Thus, the writers were being consistent in showing Archie to be someone who had poor critical thinking skills.

there are an estimated 366,000,000 guns in the usa. with 8500 murders last year. that means only .0000232 guns ever kills anyone. how can a statement be made that the only purpose a gun has is to kill? the number of guns that actually ever kill any one os so minute that if this wasn't a liberal political agenda it would never even be considered an issue.

 

[Spoonman]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

The tool of killing is irrelevant.
Are you capable of killing someone? I know you are but you won't admit it. Just as all humans have the capacity to take a life... when events merit it.
But to single out GUNS???

PolitiFact: Yes, more people murdered with knives, body parts and blunt objects than rifles in 2011

Facebook post says more people were murdered with knives, body parts or blunt objects than with rifles | PolitiFactHonestly if you are so concerned that a loved one with access to a gun is going to kill you YOU need to have them seek anger management!
But don't lump people with guns with domestic violence as the tool can be eliminated BUT grownups don't kill people and if you consider
your loved ones as grown up why are you concerned?

Your factoid is a trick: it says more people are killed with a knives or blunt objects than with RIFLES. Rifles, not guns, nor firearms, but rifles. In fact, more people are killed with firearms of various types than anything else combined. Who do you think you're kidding?

actually his factoid is very pertinent. 95% of the gun legislation and proposed gun legislation targets rifles, specifically what they call assault style rifles. in fact, these type of guns kill far lees than a knife or a blunt object. how is that right infringing legislation going to solve any problems?

 

[Peach]

Nuts are everywhere and many of them have guns.

And knives, and fists..................

 

[Esmeralda]

And occasionally the writers ended up hoisting themselves by their own petards. They didn't realize it, but in that case they made Archie right.

No they didn't. You all don't get it. Knives have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Windows have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Same for cars, bridges, bodies of water, and all the other false analogies you gun folks throw into this debate.

Guns have only one purpose: to kill. Therefore, they are not analogous with windows, knives, hammers, bridges, cars, swimming pools, etc. Thus, the writers were being consistent in showing Archie to be someone who had poor critical thinking skills.

there are an estimated 366,000,000 guns in the usa. with 8500 murders last year. that means only .0000232 guns ever kills anyone. how can a statement be made that the only purpose a gun has is to kill? the number of guns that actually ever kill any one os so minute that if this wasn't a liberal political agenda it would never even be considered an issue.

8,500 unnecessary deaths. As well, guns are responsible for a great many accidental deaths and suicides.

 

[Spoonman]

No they didn't. You all don't get it. Knives have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Windows have a function that has nothing to do with injuring or killing people. Same for cars, bridges, bodies of water, and all the other false analogies you gun folks throw into this debate.

Guns have only one purpose: to kill. Therefore, they are not analogous with windows, knives, hammers, bridges, cars, swimming pools, etc. Thus, the writers were being consistent in showing Archie to be someone who had poor critical thinking skills.

there are an estimated 366,000,000 guns in the usa. with 8500 murders last year. that means only .0000232 guns ever kills anyone. how can a statement be made that the only purpose a gun has is to kill? the number of guns that actually ever kill any one os so minute that if this wasn't a liberal political agenda it would never even be considered an issue.

8,500 unnecessary deaths. As well, guns are responsible for a great many accidental deaths and suicides.

how many accidental deaths occur every year? cars cause more deaths than guns. if that was really our criteria we would be banning everything. prescription drugs cause more death than guns. misdiagnosis by doctors causes more death than guns.

Guns are not the problem. the fact that someone is willing to take a life is the problem. you don't need a gun to take a life. because people still kill who don't have a gun. and of those people who killed with a gun, how have any of the thousands of laws already on the books stopped them from killing? Or stopped them from getting a gun?

As long as we continue to attack an item that is really not the problem and ignore the problem, we will never fix the problem.

 

[Esmeralda]

there are an estimated 366,000,000 guns in the usa. with 8500 murders last year. that means only .0000232 guns ever kills anyone. how can a statement be made that the only purpose a gun has is to kill? the number of guns that actually ever kill any one os so minute that if this wasn't a liberal political agenda it would never even be considered an issue.

8,500 unnecessary deaths. As well, guns are responsible for a great many accidental deaths and suicides.

how many accidental deaths occur every year? cars cause more deaths than guns. if that was really our criteria we would be banning everything. prescription drugs cause more death than guns. misdiagnosis by doctors causes more death than guns.

Guns are not the problem. the fact that someone is willing to take a life is the problem. you don't need a gun to take a life. because people still kill who don't have a gun. and of those people who killed with a gun, how have any of the thousands of laws already on the books stopped them from killing? Or stopped them from getting a gun?

As long as we continue to attack an item that is really not the problem and ignore the problem, we will never fix the problem.

The point is you cannot logically compare guns to cars or gun accidents to car accidents. Cars have a completely different purpose. When you try to put ordinary every day things we use to function on the same level as guns, you create a false analogy: a logical fallacy. You may not need to kill anyone with your gun, but that is their purpose. They are not something we need on a daily basis to function.

Comparing guns to car accidents or bathroom accidents or any other of the ordinary incidents that occur through living an ordinary life is a logical fallacy. And the argument is not that people still kill who don't have guns; the argument is how much easier it is to kill with a gun and how much more death occur because of gun violence.