Another "Good Guy" with a gun murders wife and children

[MaxGrit]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

Now pay attention because I'm going to construct a parallel argument to the one that you're making. You argue that there is something wrong with good guys having access to firearms and that they should have their rights taken away from them simply because some OTHER good guys turn into bad guys.

No dumbshit.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm arguing that gun laws need to be more strict with regard to private sales, gun shows, and garage sales, on line -- all the entry points to the black market.

I'm arguing that neighbors should have been able to call in a complaint on this guy and get his gun temporarily removed from the home if deputies find the complaint justified (threats, erratic behavior)

I'm arguing that when someone is put on meds for a serious psych disorder or issued a restraining order, deputies show up and take away all his guns. If he later tries to purchase a gun, he goes to jail.

I'm arguing that people on the NICS list should not even be able to walk into a gun store or sporting goods store without setting off an alarm.

If you're on the NICS list and you're at a gun show, you should be a like a child molester hanging around a school. Arrest that ****** on sight.


You dry up the black/grey market - it's simple economics, drive up the price of street guns.

Making private sales to strangers w/o a check a felony.

Nah.

Better yet to train more woman to defend themselves with guns.

 

[Geaux4it]

Society is safer when criminals don't know who's armed

-Geaux

 

[nodoginnafight]

The 2nd Amendment protects the right of an individual to own a gun. No way around it, unless you have a whole lot of votes.

But we should be doing background checks on every sale.

 

[Avatar4321]

So bad guy kills people with gun and you want to fix the problem by keeping guns out of the hands of good guys.

This is just stupid.

 

[nodoginnafight]

So bad guy kills people with gun and you want to fix the problem by keeping guns out of the hands of good guys.

This is just stupid.

How does a background check keep a gun out of the hands of good guys?

 

[Missourian]

2014 Calgary stabbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


On April 15, 2014, five young adults were stabbed to death at a house party in the Brentwood neighbourhood of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. The stabbing attack occurred several blocks away from the University of Calgary campus, and the party was held to mark the end of their school year. It was the deadliest act of mass murder to have ever occurred in the history of Calgary.[1] Police arrested Matthew de Grood in connection with the massacre.[2]


Background checks on online sales of knives...I see knives for sale at almost every yard sale...a travesty!!!

It will protect people, for real!!!!

 

[LiberalMedia]

The dirty little secret is that every mass shooting in modern history has been perpetrated by a left wing (usually anti-gun) democrat.

Prove it.

 

[Missourian]

So bad guy kills people with gun and you want to fix the problem by keeping guns out of the hands of good guys.

This is just stupid.

How does a background check keep a gun out of the hands of good guys?

The guy in the article had a background check, how did it help?

 

[nodoginnafight]

So bad guy kills people with gun and you want to fix the problem by keeping guns out of the hands of good guys.

This is just stupid.

How does a background check keep a gun out of the hands of good guys?

The guy in the article had a background check, how did it help?

Did he? Do you have a link to that?

 

[Steven_R]

So bad guy kills people with gun and you want to fix the problem by keeping guns out of the hands of good guys.

This is just stupid.

How does a background check keep a gun out of the hands of good guys?

How does treating a law abiding citizen like they are a criminal until proven otherwise keep guns out of the hands of criminals, who aren't buying guns at gun stores in the first place?

 

[Ernie S.]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

Where does what you posted say the NRA claims he was a good guy?

Or are you saying that a man that owns a shotgun should automatically be labeled insane and prohibited from owning a gun?
Do you own a knife? If you do, I'm worried for those close to you.

 

[Ernie S.]

Why didn't his wife call police when he put a gun to his head?

 

[nodoginnafight]

So bad guy kills people with gun and you want to fix the problem by keeping guns out of the hands of good guys.

This is just stupid.

How does a background check keep a gun out of the hands of good guys?

How does treating a law abiding citizen like they are a criminal until proven otherwise keep guns out of the hands of criminals, who aren't buying guns at gun stores in the first place?

Filling out a background check is "being treated like a criminal"???

Really??

 

[Steven_R]

Why didn't his wife call police when he put a gun to his head?

They'd been married long enough that she'd hoped he would do it.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

I'd like to know why with 100's of gunshows around the country every weekend, we don't hear of mass shootings right there within the gunshow.. After all- according to the OP guns kill people and more specifically right wingers who are the very people who attend these gunshows buying guess what????? GUNZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Wow.. genius I tell ya.. Ole shitbreath scores again!

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Liberal authoritarianism could have saved them...Yes It Could. !!! Lol

 

[Missourian]

Another group of folks that had background checks:

James Eagan Holmes [The Joker] - (born December 13, 1987) is the accused perpetrator of a mass shooting that killed 12 people at a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, on July 20, 2012. [3]


All the weapons were bought legally and background checks were performed.[51]


Source: Wikipedia


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Seung-Hui Cho[2] [Virginia Tech] - was a South Korean mass murderer who killed 32 people and wounded 17 others on April 16, 2007, at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia.[3]




Cho was able to pass both background checks and successfully complete both handgun purchases after he presented to the gun dealers his U.S. permanent residency card, his Virginia driver's permit to prove legal age and length of Virginia residence and a checkbook showing his Virginia address, in addition to waiting the required 30-day period between each gun purchase.


Source: Wikipedia



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Elliot Rodger [The Virgin] -



A killing spree was perpetrated on May 23, 2014, in Isla Vista, California, near the campus of University of California, Santa Barbara, by 22-year-old Elliot Rodger. Rodger killed six people and injured thirteen others before committing suicide.[1]


The spree began when Rodger stabbed to death three men in his apartment. Leaving the scene in his car, he drove to a sorority house, where he shot four people outside, killing two female students. He drove to a nearby delicatessen and shot to death a male student who was inside. He then sped through Isla Vista, shooting at pedestrians and wounding several of them, and striking four others with his car.

Source: Wikipedia


The only specific policy Gross mentioned was "expanded background checks." But California already has those: All gun sales in that state, including private transfers, must be handled by licensed dealers, and every buyer has to be cleared by the California Department of Justice, as Rodger was for each of the three handguns he bought in 2012, 2013, and 2014.


Rodger passed those background checks because he did not have a disqualifying criminal or psychiatric record. In California that means not only that he was never involuntarily committed but also that he had not been put on a 72-hour psychiatric hold for evaluation as a possible threat to himself or others within the previous five years.


Source: Elliot Rodger and Gun Control's False Promise - Reason.com



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Aaron Alexis - [Navy Yard] -

The Washington Navy Yard shooting occurred on September 16, 2013, when lone gunman Aaron Alexis fatally shot twelve people and injured three others in a mass shooting at the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) inside the Washington Navy Yard in Southeast Washington, D.C.[6][7][8] The attack, which took place in the Navy Yard's Building 197, began around 8:20 a.m. EDT and ended when Alexis was killed by police around 9:20 a.m. EDT.
It was the second-deadliest mass murder on a U.S. military base, behind only the Fort Hood shooting in November 2009.


Alexis instead purchased a Remington 870 Express Tactical 12-gauge shotgun and two boxes of shells, after passing a state and federal background check.


Source: Wikipedia


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Background checks...all passed.

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[Rikurzhen]

Better yet to train more woman to defend themselves with guns.

Or train women to chose better husbands.

A lot of these men have dominance issues that eventually come to be tragically expressed and the seeds of this dominant behavior are found in the man at the very moment he meets the women and she's attracted to that aspect of his personality. He has an edge, he's a bit dangerous, this excites her, it appeals to her.

 

[zeke]

Yet Another Man With a Gun Just Murdered His Wife and Children


According to NRA logic - he was a "good guy" right up until he slaughtered his family. Then he become a "bad guy" who should be restricted from purchasing guns in the future... But he is still able to purchase ammo for the guns he already owns.... I guess ammo to shoot his dead family some more.

In Saco, Maine on Saturday night, 33-year-old Joel Smith used a pump-action shotgun to kill his 35-year-old wife, Heather Smith, his 12-year-old stepson, and the couple's two biological children, a 7-year-old boy and a 4-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself. The horrific scene was discovered on Sunday morning after a concerned family friend called the apartment complex where the Smith family lived and asked a maintenance worker to check on them. In a statement to the media, a Maine State Police official called the mass shooting "one of the worst cases of domestic violence in Maine's history."

As we reported in the wake of a mass shooting in Texas earlier this month, domestic violence and guns are a frightening combination: A woman's chances of being killed by her abuser increase more than fivefold if he has access to a gun. And most fatal violence between intimate partners across the United States involves firearms. (Here are just a few examples from the past few months.)

Makes you wonder where the OTHER good guys with guns were when a 12 gauge pump shotgun is going off, in an apartment complex no less.

What did the other tenants think was going on? A little rabbit hunting or what.

Where were the good guys with guns to defend this family? You know there were at least a few tenants with guns. This is Maine for shits sake. But no one even checked anything out till the maintenance worker went to look.

I don't get it.

 

[Howey]

2014 Calgary stabbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


On April 15, 2014, five young adults were stabbed to death at a house party in the Brentwood neighbourhood of Calgary, Alberta, Canada. The stabbing attack occurred several blocks away from the University of Calgary campus, and the party was held to mark the end of their school year. It was the deadliest act of mass murder to have ever occurred in the history of Calgary.[1] Police arrested Matthew de Grood in connection with the massacre.[2]


Background checks on online sales of knives...I see knives for sale at almost every yard sale...a travesty!!!

It will protect people, for real!!!!

How many more would have been murdered if he had access to a gun?